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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:20 AM Jan 2015

Yep... 'How the Democrats Could Win Every Election' - DailyBeast

X-Posted From GD:

How the Democrats Could Win Every Election
The Democrats are getting populist, which is nice. But will it be enough to lure the millions who don’t vote to the polls?

Monica Potts - DailyBeast
1/15/15

The Pew survey asked people questions about their overall financial security, including whether they’d ever received food stamps or Medicaid and whether they had retirement savings, and then about political preferences.

The most financially secure participants were strongly Republican, which is no surprise. The least financially secure were much more likely to prefer Democratic policies. That included the mythical “white working class,” a group liberals have worried about the Democrats losing because of social-justice issues like race and gender relations. Even though white voters overall were more likely to tilt Republican, support for the GOP declines as we move down the income scale, and the poorest whites were more likely to say they liked Democrats better. Will this finally end the myth that the nation is full of poor whites voting against their economic interests?

The least financially secure group was more likely to say that the government should do more to help the needy, which might indicate support for a proposal like Van Hollen’s. But the bigger problem is that people who were the least financially secure were also the least likely to vote. On top of that, few of them ever wrote to their Congressperson or knew much about the current Congress or the current political field.

This is a big group of voters—at least 20 percent of Americans—who could be swayed by Democratic policies. Yet both parties leave their votes on the table.


Why might lower-income and lower-wealth Americans be so disengaged? The Pew survey didn’t make any claims, but noted that the least financially secure surveyed were less ideologically consistent than the better-off participants, so maybe they don’t strongly identify with a party and that keeps them from feeling moved to vote. Indeed, the least well off were more likely to say they had no preference between the Democratic and Republican candidates in the 2014 elections.

It could also be that, until now, the Democratic Party seemed as friendly to the big banks at times as the Republicans. See above: Warren challenging Obama’s Treasury nominee for being a Wall Streeter.

I think this group doesn’t see Democrats doing much to enhance their economic security. Even these voters know the game is rigged against them and don’t seen many politicians of either party rising to be their champion.
Democrats seem ready to cede lots of ground on policies that will hit Americans with the lowest incomes the hardest, like raising the Social Security retirement age and cutting benefits.

The lives of low-income, financially insecure Americans are busy, insecure ones. They are less likely to be well educated and more likely to have a disability that keeps them from working full time. They are more likely to be women who have never been married, which means many are overwhelmed single mothers. The least well-off financially likely includes men who have spent some time in the criminal justice system, which means they are literally disenfranchised or believe they cannot vote even if they live in a state where they could.


More: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/15/how-the-democrats-could-win-every-election.html#



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Yep... 'How the Democrats Could Win Every Election' - DailyBeast (Original Post) WillyT Jan 2015 OP
More importantly they need to deliver on that populist rhetoric when they get into office corkhead Jan 2015 #1
Yeah there's that little tidbit. tblue Jan 2015 #2
Yeah. And stop appointing RightiesŪ and Republicans to sensitive positions. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #3
Or fight your own party BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #13
Sarcasm aside... 3rd-Way will masquerade as Populist Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #5
Yep you got it...they reinforce the right wing meme for us. zeemike Jan 2015 #12
And the media reinforces their message. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #14
Totally agree. zeemike Jan 2015 #21
EXACTLY! Why are Democrats running on a Republican platform of tax breaks???????? BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #17
Minimum wage is nice, LIVING WAGE is the PRIZE Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #23
TAX CUTS DON'T MATTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB. CrispyQ Jan 2015 #25
That would be a good one BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #27
Yes, exactly. 'When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #28
TWO midterms: it's almost like they wanted to lose! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #29
Sadly the opposite is also true. When my Democratic representative didn't run A Simple Game Jan 2015 #11
Kicked Enthusiast Jan 2015 #4
So, if we are doing our jobs, we will become extinct. Indydem Jan 2015 #6
So your plan is what, exactly? F4lconF16 Jan 2015 #9
In California, there are plenty of wealthy Democrats BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #18
We need to make it easier for them to vote n2doc Jan 2015 #7
Mail-in ballots and/or a Voting Holiday! Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #10
+1 BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #19
Make it easier for likely Democrats to vote? Why bother, from what I can read here if Obama didnt randys1 Jan 2015 #26
Smaller scale plans? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #8
Yeah, they got that backwards. abelenkpe Jan 2015 #15
And it was no accident. Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #16
Exactly abelenkpe Jan 2015 #20
Wish more people would recognize that +1 Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #24
Because the working poor are bloody exhausted on the end of the day. canuckledragger Jan 2015 #22
Pin of the week! demwing Jan 2015 #30
Syriza is interesting semanticwikiian Jan 2015 #31

corkhead

(6,119 posts)
1. More importantly they need to deliver on that populist rhetoric when they get into office
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:26 AM
Jan 2015

or their constituency will become disillusioned and not vote. Oh wait!

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
5. Sarcasm aside... 3rd-Way will masquerade as Populist
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jan 2015

One of the biggest challenges for Populists
is refuting 3rd-Way corporatists who pretend
to be Populists and then undermine the movement.

As Hillary seeks to ride the Populist wave she will
adopt talking points to "sound" Populist and then
discredit us when she turns her back.

Look at how the Van Hollen-Pelosi "Action Plan"
is being presented as "Populist" at the Washington Times

[font color="red"]Dems double down on liberal populism,
push bolder wealth redistribution[/font color]

House Democrats, fresh off massive election losses,
say the problem is they didn’t make a bold enough
case for tax increases and wealth transfer to the poor.
They rectified that Monday with a speech by Rep. Chris Van Hollen
proposing tax increases on the wealthy with the money
going straight to tax cuts for the poor and middle class.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/12/chris-van-hollen-house-democrats-push-tax-increase/?page=all


Is "wealth redistribution" Populist?

Looks more like the typical centrist democrat tweaking the tax code.
And it's feeding the right-wing narrative of "tax and spend" liberals.
Taking from "productive" people and giving to "takers"?
It's a political wedge to foment class resentments.

That crap needs to get shut down!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. Yep you got it...they reinforce the right wing meme for us.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:35 PM
Jan 2015

and present the solutions to all problems as a tax cut...just like the GOP says it is.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
14. And the media reinforces their message.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jan 2015

Populists will need to stay sharp to defeat
the media and 3rd-Way spin doctors.

They will shape the message and define Populists
if Populists don't do it for themselves.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. Totally agree.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:37 PM
Jan 2015

Especially about the progressives having to be sharp and not play their game.
They will have to keep their eyes on the prize.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
17. EXACTLY! Why are Democrats running on a Republican platform of tax breaks????????
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jan 2015

There was another thread about it to much applause. Yay! Let's prove that the Republicans were right all along and the REAL problem is taxes!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6074148

Democrats need to run on traditional Democratic values: education, health care and jobs, jobs, JOBS. Tax breaks are nice if you have a job that pays enough that you even have to pay taxes. Think about how many people you could get to come out to vote if your platform was raising minimum wage.

Lest we forget

I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
23. Minimum wage is nice, LIVING WAGE is the PRIZE
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jan 2015

No one, absolutely NO ONE should work
full-time and not earn a living wage!

The paternalistic crap about "high school" wages
and McJobs being stepping stones is done, over, kaput.
Too many adults and parents have no other alternatives.
Walmart is their only opportunity.
Living wages will change that.

Chuck Schumer wants a BOLD Democratic idea?
Living wages, Chuck!
Living wages!

CrispyQ

(36,413 posts)
25. TAX CUTS DON'T MATTER IF YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jan 2015

I still have that bumper sticker from the Bush years. Maybe I'll go find it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. Yes, exactly. 'When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 07:58 PM
Jan 2015

starts apologizing for the New Deal and the fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose'.

And the voters have spoken loud and clear on that in two Mid Terms now.

Yet the Dem Leadership continues to ignore the message the voters are sending them, see Nancy Pelosi's latest salvo against the message of the voters.

So, what can voters do to get past the Leadership?

Focus on Congressional races. THAT is where the people have the best chance of regaining the power that has been stolen from them by Corporate backed elected officials.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
29. TWO midterms: it's almost like they wanted to lose!
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 08:34 PM
Jan 2015

And Mrs. Pelosi's remarks were not surprising. She is very good at sounding like a liberal. In my encounters with her, if you are not uber rich and famous, she will look right through you (saw this happen so many times it was embarrassing). I'm so sick of liberalism/progressivism being a "brand" they can shrug on and off whenever it suits them or their owners. And I'm sick of people falling for it over and over again.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
11. Sadly the opposite is also true. When my Democratic representative didn't run
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jan 2015

again a high profile and attractive Republican (Stefanik) ran against a nobody (Aaron Woolf) for the open seat.

That was a big enough problem but what sealed the Republican victory was the fact that almost every night on the national news we got to see Democratic candidates in high profile races like Alison Grimes trying to be better Republicans than the Republican candidates. We saw more of news about a Republican wannabee on the national news than we did about our own Democratic candidate on the local news.

Why would anyone bother to vote for a Democrat if they see some (many) that act and talk just like Republicans?

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
6. So, if we are doing our jobs, we will become extinct.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:13 PM
Jan 2015

As people move up in economic security, people become more conservative and support more republican ideas.

So, if we work to increase peoples economic security, they will inevitably become republicans?

This clearly opens the door to the often repeated republican talking point that we want to keep people poor so that they "need" us.

I don't like this survey at all, not only for it's allusions to the future, but also for it's ripeness to be used a bludgeon.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
9. So your plan is what, exactly?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jan 2015

Keep people poor so they vote democratic? That hasn't exactly worked so well for us.

So, if we work to increase peoples economic security, they will inevitably become republicans?

Not at all. People see what works and what doesn't. I think one of the biggest reasons we don't have more support among people who have more economic security is that they are the ones who were "successful". They profited of the backs of everyone around them, and now that they have what they wanted, they feel free to ignore the plight of everyone else. Should we help people get to where they need to be economically, they are far more likely to empathetic to the struggles of others, and vote for liberals. It's been shown time and time again that the poor are much more community oriented, and though that does change as you slide up the income scale, it isn't totally lost.

This clearly opens the door to the often repeated republican talking point that we want to keep people poor so that they "need" us.

F--- 'em. If we're actually helping people, they'll know who's on their side (most of the time).

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
18. In California, there are plenty of wealthy Democrats
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jan 2015

Liberals spread ideas and those ideas take hold. There are pockets of conservatism in California, it is is the riche and nouveau riche on the coasts and the religious conservatives inland that create that. But for the most part, and in most big cities I have traveled to, conservatism is seen as a sign of selfish stupidity. Christian conservatives latching onto the party has helped with this as well.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
7. We need to make it easier for them to vote
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jan 2015

This group works long hours, may not have a car, or has a crappy unreliable one, and is generally worn down at the end of the day. Mail voting and other methods to make it easier to vote will help. Although the repubs will fight tooth and tusk against it.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. Make it easier for likely Democrats to vote? Why bother, from what I can read here if Obama didnt
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:16 PM
Jan 2015

give you everything you wanted, you are supposed to sit out the election to "show them".

But the only people who will be hurt by sitting it out and giving the election to Women killers are the Women, and minorities, and Gay folks and poor folks, etc

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
8. Smaller scale plans?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jan 2015
Liberals and left-of-center think tanks heralded the moves as signaling a shift from the smaller-scale policies, like raising the minimum wage or fighting for gender-pay equity,


So a tax break is a BIG IDEA...
but a living wage and equal pay are "smaller-scale policies"

BS spin!

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
16. And it was no accident.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jan 2015

It is a deliberate attempt to diminish
the living wage and equality movements.
Simultaneously winking to middle-class tax payers
and stoking class resentments.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
20. Exactly
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jan 2015

Divide and conquer. Always frame potential solutions to be what benefits power, nothing else considered. Wish more people would recognize that.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
24. Wish more people would recognize that +1
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jan 2015

This is getting the word out.
Expose their techniques and pass on the tools.

It's a dirty job, but someone has to do it ;~)

canuckledragger

(1,636 posts)
22. Because the working poor are bloody exhausted on the end of the day.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jan 2015

When most of your time is taken up by working 2-3 jobs in an attempt to make ends meet, it leaves little time left for anything else.

It takes time to wade through all the right-wing propaganda, to fact-check issues for yourself, to learn who your local representatives are and how you can help. (if you have time that is...gotta sleep sometimes too!)

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
30. Pin of the week!
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jan 2015

Congrats WillyT, your thread is the pin of the week, and will stay pinned for the next 7 days (or longer, if I get busy or lazy)!

 

semanticwikiian

(69 posts)
31. Syriza is interesting
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jan 2015

as a template for progressives to examine. Their leader was not well known at all, and many voters in lower economic rungs (there are alot there -- 17% unemployment) seem quite supportive. I suspect these voters are similar to those described in the OP.

Maybe some will point to Syriza's primary argument -- opposition to austerity-based policies -- as inapplicable to our country. I am not so sure when I see the path of budgets in non-defense departments of the federal government. Maybe a more descriptive slogan for today's anti-third-wayers is 'tough for thee, trough for me' -- that gets to the corruption of our government.

And recall Clinton promised us when elected to re-direct the 'peace dividend' -- he never did -- so I'm not certain his wife is any less duplicitous. But I digress.

Syriza has risen and overtaken the other parties in a single election cycle. The question is how and why -- did they have a more successful Occupy movement than we did?

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