I just got banned from the Hillary Clinton room.

[Phlem]

Apparently pointing out empty rhetoric will do that.

Thank the gods. Ick, creepy, mentally desolate, my skin is crawling, I must shower.

Just remember, do not attempt this at home. My PSA.

Peace.

[Scootaloo]

1. Yeah, that'll happen when you trash a candidate in that candidate's group

Just save it for GD, I figure.

I got banned from the BOG 'cause I pointed out to a poster there that bombing Syria would not count as "humanitarian action" back in 2013.

[Phlem]

3. Yeah except for I wasn't really trashing her.

But no worries, it's typical behavior.

[sheshe2]

68. Well....

People get banned from your group as well, just saying.

[tridim]

14. Nope, it happens when you ask a poster a question. It has nothing to do with "support"...

or lack of.

I was banned 6 months ago for asking how a poster could possibly predict specifics about Hillary's future campaign without any current inside knowledge of her campaign. The poster had no answer, and I was immediately banned for asking a simple question.

[leftofcool]

2. I am so sorry for your loss. The Hillary Clinton room IS for her supporters.

You are welcome to start your own "anti-Hillary/pointing out empty rhetoric" group.

[Phlem]

4. Thanks for posting that in the "Populist Reform of the Democratic Party (Group)"

I'm sure Hillary would be proud.

[L0oniX]

56. +1

[Scootaloo]

8. Hi there leftofcool.

The HCG is several doors to the right of this group. Just follow the arrow you have in your avatar.

[L0oniX]

57. +1

[mimi85]

52. Jeez, some DUers are definitely snarkier than usual lately.

Was that really called for? Yeah, we get you're for HRC.

[cui bono]

69. Same old shit we've gotten for years from another "group".

Only without the infamous smiley.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. They're a little touchy in there. Sealed off entrances. Not much air.

[Phlem]

6. yep.

Barely made it but one of the bars on the window was loose. Ha!

See what I did there!

Thanks bud.

[marym625]

17. I stay away from BOG and HC Groups

I really have no issue with anyone wanting a safe place to talk about their candidate.

I understand you were not attacking but in safe groups, unless it's in support of, might as well stay away

[misterhighwasted]

7. P.U. Rocks.

If only we can find a candidate by Primary time.. we win.

[Phlem]

9. While I love P.U. and agree

That's still an unfortunate name. Talk about giving your enemies ammo. But if that's what it is, I'm there.

[jeff47]

10. I got banned for the horror of implying she might not win the primary....

...a year ago.

[Phlem]

11. Umm, Ick.

The more I know about it the more it resembles a greasy pork sandwich dipped in a used ashtray. The self perpetuating brain washing just gives me the chills.

[djean111]

12. Not surprised, their rules, but gee, they feel free to come into this group

and dump. Hubris. Trademark.

[Phlem]

15. Yep.

There is a difference between centrists and the actual left. What's also frustrating is they self identify as left but are totally center right. You can tell right away there's a screw loose.

[Jim Lane]

49. I would welcome them here.

They're free to come here and explain why they think Hillary Clinton is a populist.

Of course, they would have to be prepared for some responses that might -- gasp -- disagree with them.

Given that fact, I don't think we need to worry about being overrun.

[marym625]

13. lmao!

[tularetom]

16. You talk like that's some kind of accomplishment

Congratulations, you've just joined a not very exclusive club.

My guess is there are dozens of us who dared to suggest that the empress perhaps had less than a full suit of clothes and were summarily exiled from the empire by members of the howling mob.

The PM informing me of my banishment even contained a fairly detailed explanation of why my sin merited such draconian punishment.

If I were you I would give up any hope of ever being allowed to return there. They have very long memories and well developed needs for vengeance.

[Phlem]

18. I hear that.

and your right, there is definitely mob mentality going on there. I actually just responded to simple (and I do mean simple) OP before checking what group I was in. One of them knowingly came here just to bare ass. Which reminds me, I have to pick my girl up from kindergarten.

[KoKo]

19. It can happen accidentally, also.

A post from the Hillary Group was featured on DU's front page without sourcing it was from The "Hillary Group" and I replied not knowing it was the Hillary Group. I thought I made a typo and went back to edit and realized it was Hillary Group when I located the post and immediately said "Oops, Apologize because I didn't know this was Hillary Group" but already had a host tell me to delete the post after I had edited and put my apology in. I replied that I had already apologized and should I delete my apology and host thanked me for editing and said no...but, I think I was probably banned anyway.

So, it was an accident and poster "J.D. Priestly" had the same thing happen when a post from "Hillary Group" was up on DU front page and she replied not knowing and got banned. Neither of us had ever posted there.

So, It can happen unintentionally.

[Phlem]

21. Thanks Koko.

I miss the days when we could just reply to an OP at the home page or in Latest Threads. Now I've got to parse for the kindergartners group.

[Jim Lane]

51. That happened to me with the BOG.

One of the BOGgies posted there that critics of Obama were applying a double standard. I consider that a very serious charge, so when I saw that post (because it got recc'd up to the Greatest page) I responded to defend myself and others who don't think Obama is perfect.

I was blocked from the BOG, with the explanation, "We like our peace." Well, my view is, if you like your peace, don't start wars.

As the Hillary Clinton Group became more prominent, I wondered how they would handle such a situation. I asked one of the hosts, who replied in part:

This is how I see it, we have a Statement of Purpose that we adhere to and it's pretty specific. Hillary supporters are trashed on a daily basis in GD and there is nothing I can do about that. I can protect them in the HCG though (which I will vigorously do, that's why I am a host there). I will let people blow off steam for the crap they take in GD (because I take it myself).

So, people in HCG can say something like "Clinton's opponent are all misogynists, there's no other reason anyone would oppose Her Magnificence," and if you respond by mentioning gender-neutral reasons for opposing her, you'll get blocked. I think that's an abuse of the "safe haven" concept.

As long as they take that position, though, any disagreement with a smear about Clinton opponents will have to be addressed in an OP elsewhere. I would link to the offending HCG post and explain that I can't respond there without violating the rules of their little playpen.

[F4lconF16]

20. I am disappointed that this group is becoming this.

I was afraid this would happen when it started. We began well enough, and had a lot of real discussion here. Now, unfortunately, there is more and more of stuff like this: no issues, no nothing, just ragging on another group of people that should have nothing to do with what is discussed here.

Fuck Clinton. The establishment will push her whether we argue about it or not. She'll continue running to the detriment of any real discussion. Can we not have this crap posted here? We all know she's a terrible option. The whole point of this group was to have a real discussion on reforming the Democratic Party and to what extent that is possible. I get that we're frustrated, I really do, and that we should have a place to vent. But this isn't a discussion about any issues, at all. I don't come to this group to see more crap about Clinton. There's plenty of fluff and flamebait in GD already. I come here to discuss populism and the movement leftward within the Democratic Party.

I'm sure I'm going to get torn apart for this. But I really think posts like this should be limited, or at least we should set up a stickied venting thread so that this stuff doesn't bleed over into legitimate discussion.

[Phlem]

22. While I totally agree with your post

People need to vent, else things get worse and discussion is nothing about substance and more about all caps. I've been here since 2005 and this is the second or third time I've ever vented like this. I'll be sure to give you the same leeway when it comes your turn.

[F4lconF16]

28. Gotcha--sorry, just frustrated with the constant Clinton stuff in GD.

Didn't really mean to attack you, and thanks always happy to read your posts here.

[Phlem]

62. No worries bud.

[arcane1]

30. Yeah, I've seen too many "You won't believe what they're saying in Group X!" posts

[ellenrr]

70. ++

I couldn't agree more. But I think it is inevitable given the calibre of many of the people that are drawn DU, that any forum devolves into
bitch...bitch
and
blah...blah

why is that? I don't know.

I came here for same reason as you, and left for same reason as your critique.
good luck to you with correcting the situation, but based on my years in or near DU... well... good luck..

[dirtydickcheney]

23. Proud to say I may have been the first person banned.

and I quote Teddy Roosevelt -

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."

We should have a "I Have Major Problems with Hillary Clinton" Room

[Phlem]

25. Yes, an earlier poster suggested this

but I think we got the groups covered. Like I said I didn't even know I was in the H.Clinton group when replying to the OP. Now I have to parse every OP before I reply else gentle persons might become upset.

That being said, there's an inordinate amount of "lefties" who approach politics from the center right that have been steadily populating DU drowning out actual "lefties".

I can't personally wait till the elections are over. I fully intend to hold HRC's feet to the fire if she wins but you know what's going to happen anyway. The apologists will come out in swarms making excuses.

I've seen it before.

[Phlem]

26. Thanks for that.

I didn't know that and will be doing it right away. I'm more into the discussions than figuring out the nuts and bolts of DU. You rock.

[Kelvin Mace]

27. Well, to be fair,

that is their little club house.

[Phlem]

31. yea I know,

I've learned that I have to parse before I reply. But I think I'm just going to put the whole group on ignore.

[Kelvin Mace]

39. Probably a good idea

You will encounter enough of them without seemingly bearding them in their den (i.e. saying anything which can be construed as remotely critical).

[leveymg]

29. HR room is an echo chamber surrounded by a moat.

Idolatry only.

[Phlem]

32. :)

[peacebird]

33. I got banned there about two months ago. I have found it is a good place to visit,

So I can add to my ignore list. On edit, I had replied to a post without realizing it was in the hill adoration society area. Testy over there....

[Phlem]

35. giggles.

I think my whole ignore list are Hillary supporters non liberals posing as liberals. All they need to do is speak.

[upaloopa]

34. Well I am banned from the Obama room and

I was invited to both inaugurations.
I think it is silly to have these one
sided rooms when those candidates have web pages and facebook pages to soak in the love.

[Phlem]

36. Isn't that odd. I voted for Obama but I'm sure

I would get banned for posting my opinion in that group. Shit's upside down and crazy anymore thanks to new crop of self identified leftists.

Uughh.

[Doctor_J]

46. I tend to agree. The AA group, BOG group, PUMA group, etc. are unhealthy in general

[bravenak]

50. What's wrong with AA?

We only have 2 people on our 'banned' list. I think you may be mistaken.

[Politicalboi]

37. I felt the wrath when I brought up Sniper Fire

And this video.

I'm sorry, I hate liars. Especially when there was no need to lie. That kind of liar scares me. Bill Clinton lied about Monica, but that was different IMO. What was he supposed to say. But to lie about a trip WITH video that shows the exact opposite is just stupid.

On Edit: I also didn't know I was in Hillary's Dungeon either, so my mistake I guess.

[Phlem]

40. I know. For me the problems are when "Lawmakers" lie.

When that happens what are we supposed to think? Is this a Democracy or are we all just peons that need to be soothed. A lawmaker is a responsibility only few out of millions of people have. It should be respected but in the US it's your path to large sums of money. We're fucked if this continues.

[libdem4life]

38. Hey, I just got sentenced to go there from GD...Go Figure

35. I disagree with you. It looks like everyone on this thread disagrees with you. Maybe your ideas would find more purchase in the Hillary group.

I had the audacity to suggest that Bernie's triune was a bit Pie in the Sky. Who knew?

[Phlem]

42. I hear ya.

But that's exactly the strategy. For example, nothing stops the tea party and Republicans from suggesting and trying to implement crazy disastrous legislation. Yet we inch closer and closer to their demands with each election. I like Bernie asking for things that seem pie in the sky, that's how the other side gets what they want.

We need to start demanding more populist legislation and never ever stop. Maybe then we can become a more balanced union instead of the 1% funding both sides and winning every fucking time.

That's how it's been done through history, fund both sides of the war and your always a winner.

[mimi85]

67. Well said! nt

[frylock]

41. i look at it as a badge of honor..

nothing short of 100% fealty is acceptable.

[Phlem]

43. Same here bud.

I have never been a follower. There are those of us that think for ourselves but get shoved into a corner because we're not with the "In" crowd. My step father used to berate and physically abuse me to the point where I have PTSD. Then it stopped. Why, because I learned to hit back. Once that happened he was all mouth, of which I could just ignore.

We have to push back and push back HARD! O's populist rhetoric during his campaign made me think that might happen, then during his acceptance speech he announced he was a "New Democrat", meaning" I'm republican lite.

Ask any banker!

[Autumn]

44. Sending you the jury results. The alerter confused the BOG with the Hillary group

A frivolous alert IMO.

[Phlem]

59. Thanks Autumn!

Peace.

[Doctor_J]

45. I have it hidden. I find the BOG creepy beyond belief, and the political views there

counterproductive to what the party should be striving for. I am sure the PUMA group is worse. It's not going to help, HRC will be the nominee and the president and the death spiral for 99% of us will continue. But Obamacare won't be repealed and gay marriage will be safe

[elfin]

47. Join the club - VERY touchy there

Also thrown out for what I thought a relatively innocuous observation and worrying about her strategies.

Not going there again for any reason due to the defensive touchiness - even to view announcements.

[The Blue Flower]

48. I was banned last month

I responded to a poster who said that the folks not crazy about HRC were all haters. I pointed out that discussions about her policies had nothing to do with hate. Touchy, touchy people over there.

[edgineered]

53. Being banned from there, like much else surrounding the Clinton campaign

is inevitable.

The posts associated with the negatives of Clinton, her campaign, and her supporters here at DU may diminish greatly in this group as the topic ages, but for now they are essential for those of us exploring this group and what it offers. I find it reassuring that others, many others, share my dislike for what appears to being forced upon us.

In the course of the last few days a decision to avoid DU for a while was not made; it was the strength of the voices in this group that kept DU from going the way of the television for me. Thank you all for the courage to be here and speak what has to be said.

And for the moderators of this group, thank you for allowing people like myself to see that we are not alone and that we have choices, that better candidates will come forward, and better policies will be pushed for.

[KansDem]

55. I got banned from a DU group (that will remain anonymous) for cracking wise.

Some folks just don't have a sense of humor!

[L0oniX]

58. The selling of souls to the 1% is not for everyone.

[Phlem]

60. I just want to say thank you all. You are kind souls

watching the big experiment that is Democracy. What ever happens to it happens to us. I will always backup my fellow populist and that means everyone in this thread. You've all made my 10 years here worth it and I'm not going anywhere. I will continue to sing the populist method for my little girl and for you all. We need a tide that lifts all boats (yes including the BOG and the Hillary group) not just the elite few and I know Hillary says she's that person, but she's just not.

I was upset after Obama's populist rhetoric and then said he was a "new Democrat" during his acceptance speech and I just see that happening again.

You all are why I stay.

Love you guys and gals.

Peace.

[dflprincess]

61. Let's pretend there was an internet 50 years ago

for you to go to the Hillary Clinton group and question anything she has said or done is on a par with someone going to a Beatles fan page and saying they think Peter "Herman" Noone (of Herman & the Hermits) is cuter than Paul (he wasn't - but you get my drift. And, yes, I'm that old). Anyone who did that would have been banned from the Beatles group and mocked mercilessly.

[Phlem]

63. Um OK

First off I did not intentionally "go" into the Hillary Clinton Group your point?

[dflprincess]

64. A bad attempt at humor

Last edited Thu Apr 16, 2015, 10:00 PM - Edit history (1)

comparing "Beatlemaniacs" of 50 years ago with Clinton's fan base today (but 50 years ago we were adolescent girls so we had an excuse).

[Phlem]

65. Ah thank you for the clarification.

I exercise bad humor all the time at home, everyday. I get more eye rolls than laughs but hey what are your wife and little girl for?

But I agree. I have tried to talk facts with them about the TTP yet all I get are non answers and name calling. I can hear that when I pick up my little girl from grade school. On DU I used to roll my eyes but I've discovered if you let the false or ignorant statement be, it can seed.

My and all little girls and boys deserve a better future than what's coming.

Thank you dflprincess for sharing, it was a privilege.

[djean111]

66. Nailed it perfectly. Those groups are merely fan clubs with a side of online "slam books".

Reminds me of what I heard somewhere about the Clintons keeping careful tabs on who crossed them.
If we actually went into some of those groups just to check on what they were saying, and then pulled posts over that offended us so we could jeer at them - that is what, IMO, those groups really do.
Echo chamber, fan clubs, junior high slam books.
An awful lot of GD OPs, IMO, belong in those gated groups.