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merrily

(45,251 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:35 AM Jul 2015

Just realized: Two of my prior OPs show that most Americans are Democratic Socialists.

Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:50 AM - Edit history (2)

http://www.dsausa.org/

1, "What the hell is an avowed Democratic Socialist anyway?" was the title of one of my OP's

I never knew a thing about Democratic Socialists until I did a bit of research about Democratic Socialists for an OP. As soon as I posted the OP, I tiptoed into DU's progressive socialist group and asked if they would please comment and some of them did -- great comments, too.

I learned that it is a movement, not a party and that it believes on working (a) through the Democratic Party and (b) within the basic framework of capitalism. I learned that a DUer is one of the founders of the Democratic Socialists of America. I learned that the New Deal, the Fair Deal and the Great Society can probably be described as Democratic Socialist-type domestic programs. FDR, Truman and LBJ collectively held the White House for 26 years and, perhaps as importantly or more so, FDR was considered responsible for Democrats: controlling one or both Houses of Congress for a very long time.

If you want to learn more:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12806844 (please do not skip the great replies)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Deal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society





Okay, but how can I claim most Americans are Democratic Socialists? Well, someone kept electing FDR until he died. Someone elected Harry Truman despite two challenges from within his own party (one of them because he had integrated the military); someone made Social Security the "third rail" of US politics, someone loves them some Medicare, unemployment insurance, etc. And.......


2, "Let's talk polls" was the title of another of my OPs. It was about polling on issues, not Presidential polling.

When polled on issue after issue, without labeling the issues as Democratic, or Republican, or conservative or liberal, the majority of USians poll leftist, sometimes by majorities as great as 80%. These are not polls of Democrats, mind you, but polls of USians of all political views.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12777036

And people wonder how "an avowed Democratic Socialist" whom few outside of Vermont had heard of has been filling convention centers on a shoestring budget?

Please see also, my post in the Bernie Sanders Group about this post, aka my merrily meta post. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128028964#post2

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Triana

(22,666 posts)
1. Bernie Sanders: "Powerful interests...hate my guts, and I welcome their hatred"
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:31 AM
Jul 2015


He's our FDR! GO Bernie GO!!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. Imagine people applauding you like that? No wonder politicians and celebrities
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:16 AM
Jul 2015

think they're something special.

I really support Bernie, but our tendency (human? societal?) to idolizing people scares me.

I hope he does not let it go to his head.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
5. Anytime one gains popularity or power through mass appeal or through a victory, etc.,
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jul 2015

there is a risk that that person will let it go to his or her head. The tell is in how that person behaves afterwards.

I think he's getting such huge crowds and such loud applause because, to paraphrase The American President, people are tired of drinking sand and are thirsty for water, because finally, we understand the difference. Bernie is a pretty level-headed guy, as far as I've ever seen. When he says this campaign isn't about him, I believe him.

I agree, though, that we shouldn't idolize people. Okay, Stevie Nicks, maybe, but she's where I draw the line.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
3. Kicked and recommended to the Max!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jul 2015

Once again, merrily, you are absolutely correct. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. In polls in this country 7 out of 10 young people want a Democratic European Style
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:27 PM
Jul 2015

Socialist Government.

That is why the attacks on Sanders attempting to discredit him using the word Socialist, failed so miserably.

The world has changed since the '50 even here, which wasn't a particularly proud moment in our history. Most of the world views Democratic Socialist Governing as desirable.

Someone should tell the 'opposition researchers' they are living in the past. But then again, maybe let them keep trying and failing! Lol!

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Either they are actually clueless or it's more convenient for them to pretend to be clueless.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jul 2015

Either way.....

Imagine how much blood and treasure they--we really, under their control--have invested in making socialism a dirty word and a "Red Menace?" In trying to avert 'falling dominoes?" New Deal, Fair Deal, Korean War, Bay of Pigs, HUAC, Vietnam, and on and on.

And here, after all that, 47% of Americans polled say they'd have no problem voting for a socialist (let alone a Democratic Socialist)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779114

Bill Clinton was elected with only 43% of the popular vote. Problem is, the popular vote does not determine a Presidential election. So, one would have to have the poll results by state, which they rarely give us. But Bernie seems to do okay in red states.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
10. I forgot to K&R yesterday
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:21 AM
Sep 2015

Just went back to the other thread.

What is now being called "democratic socialist" used to be called "democrat."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. Yep. As my post said, another name would be easier. However, I like the idea
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:24 AM
Sep 2015

of everyone who agrees with those things--which polls show are most Americans--proudly self-identifying as Spartacus Democratic Socialists going forward. I know I will.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
12. Absolutely!
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 09:28 AM
Sep 2015

I think it will be easier, with those that remember the cold war, to align it with FDR dems. But otherwise Spartacus is good

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