Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:10 AM

Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism?

Is this a real document that existed or is this urban legend?

This page at "On The Issues" talks about a document from 2000 called Hyde Park Declaration.

It cites a source it calls a manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":

Report: the manifesto, "A New Politics for a New America":
Source: The Hyde Park Declaration

http://www.ontheissues.org/Notebook/Note_00-DLC0.htm

It gives this link to the source but nothing is there:
http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=128&subid=174&contentid=1926

But searching turns up an old thread on DU!:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1098709

So apparently when those DUers were looking at it on Sun Feb-08-04 they were looking at a functioning link.

It's also mentioned in the book Servants of Wealth: The Right's Assault on Economic Justice.

As seen on Google Books:

https://books.google.com/books?id=YtUpBtSxe2gC&pg=PA191&dq=%22A+New+Politics+for+a+New+America%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAGoVChMIkZ-Cz8PxxgIVwaqACh316g-E#v=onepage&q=%22A%20New%20Politics%20for%20a%20New%20America%22&f=false

EDIT to add: apparently ndol was "New Democrats On Line" ?

I'm just trying to see if it's real.

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Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism? (Original post)	Cheese Sandwich	Jul 2015	OP
Wow. That was some thread. I googled. The Hyde Park Declaration of 1941 came up first.	merrily	Jul 2015	#1
I think this was a real document published by DLC	Cheese Sandwich	Jul 2015	#2
Yes, it was a real document. The corporation entitled Democratic Leadership Council has technically	merrily	Jul 2015	#3
That's really interesting.	Cheese Sandwich	Jul 2015	#4
I read some at the DLC website before they took it down.	merrily	Jul 2015	#5
Found more links on archive.org...	Cheese Sandwich	May 2016	#6
Thanks! Bookmarking.	merrily	May 2016	#7

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Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:30 AM

merrily (45,251 posts)

1. Wow. That was some thread. I googled. The Hyde Park Declaration of 1941 came up first.

Something about having arms for the war made in Canada.

Why would they use that name for the 2000 Declaration of New Democrat policies?

Then I saw some links to FREEP, where they must have been discussing it. I didn't bother with those.

I've looked for a lot of things in connection with researching Hillary that are no longer online.

The replies on that thread are a hoot. Where are those posters now?

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Response to merrily (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:42 AM

Cheese Sandwich (9,086 posts)

2. I think this was a real document published by DLC

It was also discussed on daily kos as recently as 2014 using the link:
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_cid261.html?kaid=86&subid=194&contentid=1926

Many of the most prominent Dems are very quiet about their association with this orgnaization.

As the Hyde Park Declaration demonstrates, this is a very conservative and business-friendly crowd.

Here's the link:

DLC | Key Document | August 1, 2000

The Hyde Park Declaration: A Statement of Principles and a Policy Agenda for the 21st Century

Basically, this document provides a broad framework for the Bowles-Simpson Fiscal Commission Chairman's Mark, "The Moment Of Truth."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/10/1268583/-Where-have-the-Blue-Dogs-gone

I guess DLC is gone now but I hope somebody is be preserving their manifestos.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:35 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

3. Yes, it was a real document. The corporation entitled Democratic Leadership Council has technically

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dissolved its corporate existed and donated its papers to the Clinton Presidential Library. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

However, it's philosophy lives on and is being spread by numerous offshoot think tanks, numerous New Democrat politicians at the federal,* state and local levels and by their supporters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1277&pid=8274

ETA: *Including the Congressional New Democrat Coalition.

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Response to merrily (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:33 PM

Cheese Sandwich (9,086 posts)

4. That's really interesting.

Thanks for the solid info.

I haven't seen much anything first hand from these groups.

I've just searched the Clinton Library website for "Democratic Leadership Council". Not much search results.

Found some cool old videos on C-SPAN though. Maybe I can listen to these to help me fall asleep or something.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?6602-1/towards-new-democratic-agenda

http://www.c-span.org/search/?sdate=&edate=&searchtype=Videos&sort=Least+Recent+Event&text=0&all%5B%5D=%2522democratic%2Bleadership%2Bcouncil%2522&all%5B%5D=%2522annual%2Bmeeting%2522

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:29 AM

merrily (45,251 posts)

5. I read some at the DLC website before they took it down.

Among the things From presented for President Elect Obama's consideration: Infrastructure loans, sunset commission to determine when programs were no longer needed *cough* "entitlements," *cough.*

The most shocking thing (to me) I saw was an article by Harold Ford pushing for re-building infrastructure that casually and without explanation or comment lumped nuclear plants in with bridges and roads as infrastructure.

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Response to merrily (Reply #5)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:57 PM

Cheese Sandwich (9,086 posts)

6. Found more links on archive.org...

Just wanted to link it here for anybody who might be searching the web for this type of info

The Hyde Park Declaration: A Statement of Principles and a Policy Agenda for the 21st Century:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050904011524/http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=1926&kaid=128&subid=174

NDOL:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050604083151/http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=86

Hyde Park Declaration of "Third Way" centrism?

1. Wow. That was some thread. I googled. The Hyde Park Declaration of 1941 came up first.

2. I think this was a real document published by DLC

3. Yes, it was a real document. The corporation entitled Democratic Leadership Council has technically

4. That's really interesting.

5. I read some at the DLC website before they took it down.

6. Found more links on archive.org...

7. Thanks! Bookmarking.