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VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
1. I dunno, all I know is I see her spinning faster than a windmill in a hurricane
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

and it tells me not to trust her, especially not while I'm still in uniform.

PeterGM

(71 posts)
2. If you're in service I can understand why...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:23 PM
Feb 2016

But, imho, she has lost her authenticity & warmth.

I think it's because now she has to thread that needle of being pro-pharma, wall street, private prison, moderate, liberal, progressive, hawkish, anti-wall street, anti-universal healthcare, pro universal health care, criminal justice reform, tough on crime, etc. While appearing authentic, trustworthy, kind, strong, compassionate, certain and likeable... This is what happens when you have 100 different conflicts of interest that have to be kept happy...

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Well, I am thisclose to 70, a woman, and I can't stand what she stands for - and my family and
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

friends, all ages, feel just like I do.

I think the "age" demographics are becoming useless. We all have different opinions, and so many of us have the same access to information as those millennials do.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. I was a Hillary supporter in 2008.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:38 PM
Feb 2016

In '92, I didn't really care about Hillary, I was in data processing, worked for a giant company, and was traveling to Den Haag and Tokyo to work. I was on the computer all the time, but didn't watch much TV. Hillary was just Bill's wife.

I supported Hillary in 2008, because I thought Obama could not win, and because he seemed too smooth, if that makes any sense.

At this time in my life, I have done my due diligence - and, really, a lot of information about politicians was just not available before the internet. So - I cannot support someone who stands for the things Hillary stands for. That "first woman" bullshit doesn't even enter into my thinking. Went through some feminism wars, and we wanted equal rights and equal access, we did not think in terms of someone getting a job just because they were a woman. And I have worked for some great women, and for some real nasty asshole women. So no one gets anything from me based on gender; in fact, if they try - they are gone from my consideration.

PeterGM

(71 posts)
10. Again interesting and thank you for elaborating.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:43 PM
Feb 2016

Do you then think that the generation gap is due to who does their due diligence and research vs those that haven't?
It seems like all (big hyperbole - but I mean most) of the politically engaged prefer Sanders over Clinton.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
5. I know the media is hung up on demographics but I think people make their choices
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:37 PM
Feb 2016

based on the issues most important to them (and on personality for better or worse).

I would be much more interested in hearing about the Clinton Sanders split by issue. In other words cut the data by issue by candidate so you get something like (random example):

Among voters who picked "job creation" as their top issue xx% favor HRC vs xx% favor Sanders.

I think the MSM's age, race and gender stuff takes issues out of it and broad-brushes groups into stereotypes. The MSM wants to cover the election like a football game -- the score, the time left on the clock, etc. To be fair (to football), even in football broadcasts they don't let the cheerleaders do the broadcasting.

Picking a direction for the country that suits the most people (of whatever age, race and gender) should be deeper than that.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. Excellently stated.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 02:40 PM
Feb 2016

Every time I see myself lumped into some stupid demographic based on my age, my gender, or where I live - I have to snicker, and then of course do or vote for whatever I was gonna do in the first place.

PeterGM

(71 posts)
11. If you are curious about name recognition...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:49 PM
Feb 2016

If you are curious about the effect of name recognition on the poles, try to find a category often named "handling wall street" or "regulating wall street". Clinton even made an ad handing this issue to Sanders.
This split will often tell you how many have heard about Sanders and know what he stands for.
The split in New Hampshire was 90/10 for Sanders I believe and about 70/30 in Iowa. About 50/50 in Nevada.
The interesting part is that most states I have seen polls with this category that are heavily Clinton favored, this stat also favors Clinton heavily - this indicates that people don't know Sanders and what he stands for, and these are states where he has a massive growth potential.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
9. I'm 50
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

and couldn't stand her in 2008 either. I hear all that I need to hear about her in the printed press and here on DU. I don't like watching her because then I yell at the t.v. So dumb.

Bernin4U

(812 posts)
12. It's very possible!
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 04:32 PM
Feb 2016

The challenge now is determining how much one can separate her from the DNC, if not the party in general.

At this point she seems to represent all that's wrong with the Dem party. Whereas Bernie represents all that's right with it.

How will we navigate the party's increasingly murky waters if we end up stuck with her? This is a new problem for me.

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