To the Bernie Supporters who are, for some reason flying the white flag....

[retrowire]

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511394882

I'm going to need you to realign your perspectives with that thread right there.

If you really think Bernie has lost his chances of winning, you've been ingesting what the MSM has been feeding you a bit too much lately. You're falling under their spell of delirium and control. So please, for the benefit of the dream you've been hoping for, for Bernie's campaign, take a step back and look at the WHOLE PICTURE.

The MSM would LOVE for you to think that Super Tuesday was the "END ALL, BE ALL" part of the contest. But it was only 11 states. Know how many states are left? 34. THIRTY FOUR STATES ARE LEFT. And they're big ones. There are swing states abound and Bernie's been campaigning in all the right states, HARD.

Don't give in to the propaganda. Bernie is far from finished. FAR. That is not just sugar talk. Believe me.

[dchill]

1. Bernie Supporters who are flying the white flag?

I didn't know there were such creatures!

[merrily]

8. I know, right? The revolution began in June. It's done a lot since. Way too soon to surrender.

Double the fsck down, ffs.

[Baobab]

12. Hillary certainly has done a lot for our country's industries that keeps them profitable at any cost

99.99999% of which Americans don't know about yet.

But people can get a good idea of the scope of the disconnect by looking at a debate that has been going on in India over the last year about of all things joining the US led WTO.

[Baobab]

17. Future red states if Bernie doesnt win

This country's economic future depends on being able to get out from under the scheme that could leave us all paying a very very heavy economic price for our failure to inform ourselves now.

Clinton has connections to a scheme called 'progressive liberalisation' that make an election of her as important to the rest of the world as our electing Chicago School lecturer and neoliberal Obama.

I think a good case could be made for fraudulent concealment !

But we have to act soon or we could end up like the Slovaks did because of

(Clinton donor) Achmea v. Slovak Republic

Stuck in multiple bad trade deal concocted schemes - bad traps that we could not afford, forever.

[HooptieWagon]

3. Who's flying a white flag?

I haven't seen one. Sanders supporters are solid all the way to the Convention.

[retrowire]

4. I don't want to single out people

But I am seeing users concede to Hillary Supporters that they don't think Bernie will win anymore. That kind of sentiment is infectious and it's harmful to the group as a whole. I do stop those who say it and remind them of these points, but the doubters are coming out. SheenaR mentioned people feeling defeated in one of her threads too.

[HooptieWagon]

6. Well, fuck that shit.

We all knew the primaries were front-loaded with states not favorable to Sanders. There's still 3 remaining Deep South states hell do poorly in, but 30+ in which he should be competitive. I wish he had gotten Mass, but it was going to be a near 50/50 split on delegates whichever way it went. Pretty strong wins in OK and CO were unexpected yesterday. Overall, not too bad...and almost all the conservative southern states are behind him now.

[navarth]

31. DOUBLE fuck that shit.

I ain't wavin' no white flag. FUCK these corporatist sellouts.

I stand with Bernie. I am PROUD to vote my CONSCIENCE.

I'm a ONE-ISSUE VOTER: I N T E G R I T Y

[merrily]

9. Here's notice, 'cause I'm not sneaky. I will alert Bernie Group hosts on such posts.

[retrowire]

11. I hate to say it, but that's a good idea.

Concern trolls are a thing. I would encourage giving people the facts and then letting them know that we'll be have to delete their post or something. Concern is an okay thing to have but it's contagious and it's demoralizing. Segami said it best, it's about to look worse before it gets better. After March 15th, Bernie starts really winning.

[merrily]

13. Some posters I downright love are even doing this over at Jackpine Radical. It doesn't help sh*t.

If you're worried, it's because you're obsessing. Too much time on your hands.

Print out more leaflets and stand on a corner giving them out until you feel better.

Contact the campaign and help phone bank. Cheer up others, don't scare them or bring them down.

[retrowire]

19. Yep! Convert your energy into positive energy! EXACTLY! nt

[litlbilly]

36. Im thinking they are plants. only stands to reason, the rw, aka, hillary's people will do

absolutely anything to steal this thing. The harder they try, the stronger we get.

[HooptieWagon]

38. I think very few.

M$M is painting a doom and gloom picture, naturally, and of course the Hillarians are going to pour salt in the wounds if we let them. That's probably enough to push some people into despair, and they're venting. I think rather than over-reacting by silencing them, it would be far more productive to cheer them up, maybe give them something to do to help.

[merrily]

40. Not the ones I'm thinking of. I supported Obama in 2008 and I was not jaded then.

Every time a poll needle moved toward Hillary or McCain, I'd get terrified. Then, I'd hear Maddow breathlessly asking us to "talk me down," and I'd panic even more. Sometimes, even the toughest of us need reassurance or a hug. That's what I see happening at JPR, not plants. I've known them too long here to think that of them.

BTW, I was pretty good at spotting the ones here who "suddenly" had an epiphany and (snort) decided to "switch" to Hillary. I mocked them when they switched and I know there are still a few who have not made the dramatic announcement about switching but, nonetheless have never been Bernie supporters. So, I am not entirely new to identifying decoys.

[SheenaR]

24. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1392434

[merrily]

5. Bernie DUers are flying the white flag? Stop it, right now, supporters. The revolution began in May

Don't be ending it prematurely.

Just a word on Massachusetts, my adopted home. It was almost a tie. They will split the delegates. Even with Bubba violating election laws and playing identity politics in Boston and New Bedford.

They are saying Massachusetts proves she can take a white state. That's spin. There was never any doubt of that. In 2008, she took Massachusetts over Obama by much more than she took it over Sanders yesterday. And, in 2008, white states loved her campaign, remember? Remember?

Plutocrats depend on our having amnesia every two years and falling for spin from the campaigns and the propaganda arm of the campaigns, namely, msm. Please don't accommodate them.

A billionaire and a hundreds millionaire Duking it out to lead the US? Is that what you really want?

I love you, Bernie Supporters. Don't leave me and retrowire alone. We're co-dependent enough as it is.

[RoccoR5955]

18. I am here for the duration

I am here until the bitter end, and then some.
The revolution shall go on with, or without Bernie. We would like it better with him. It'll just be harder with tRump in office, because Hellery cannot win the general...

[merrily]

44. I am, too!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=134609

[ladyVet]

42. Don't worry, merrily. I'm here.

Never going to give up on Bernie. Fuck Hillary and her shills. They can't say or do a thing to make me doubt Bernie and his message.

I'm going to fight on until I die (which I hope is many decades still from now), and I will be mouthing liberal messages to the end.

[merrily]

43. I am, too!

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?5420-Turns-out-The-Revolution-is-being-televised-and-streamed&p=29610#post29610

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?5558-Can-we-discuss-the-Massachusetts-primary

[kath]

7. Another must-read article is in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511382590

[merrily]

10. Not only that, but the revolution is so much bigger than Hillary. And look how far left he's made

her go. Do you all understand how incredible that is?

[Jester Messiah]

14. Call me paranoid, but I think any such "supporters" are probably plants

Or those who have come under the sway of said plants. There is nothing that Team Hillary would like more than for us to lose all morale, hence all the transparent and pathetic doomsaying we're seeing from the usual quarters.

[retrowire]

20. Online informants doooo exist. It's true. nt

[RoccoR5955]

16. NO SURRENDER, NO DEFEAT!

We MUST not surrender. If we do, we will end up with tRump for President.

Still THIRTY FOUR STATES LEFT! The ratio of delegates is close to 3:2 in Clinton's favor. It is quite likely to catch up and pass her, and WIN this thing!

[navarth]

34. The smarmy gloating alone is enough to keep me in.

Sooo many on DU are just plain disgusting to me. Add to that all of the above reasons. I'm not so fragile as to give up anytime soon.

[bbgrunt]

21. thanks for saying this.

[retrowire]

22. No problem! nt

[sarge43]

23. In the words of that rolling albeit psychotic philosopher, John "Bluto" Blutarsky,

"It ain't over 'til we say it's over!"

[abelenkpe]

25. Didn't see anyone on that thread giving up

[yourpaljoey]

26. Bernie's gonna win

[Faux pas]

27. I'm staying with him

as long as he's running, right to the very end! I'm only listening to him, not all the gloom and doomers.

[highprincipleswork]

28. The point is, this is important. For the soul of the party. Check DWS' recent actions if in doubt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-paylenders-cfpb_us_56d4ce38e4b03260bf77e8fc

If you don't think Hillary Clinton will do much the same, then you believe in her having a radical change of character.

[djean111]

30. Ironically, under DU rules, the only bad thing that would ever happen to Debbie DINO, who

publicly supports her GOP buddies over Democrats - is that she would (theoretically, maybe her BFFs would make a difference) not be allowed to post her political shit at DU - BUT we would still be required to vote for the Democrat who does not support other Democrats. I am so happy she is being primaried!

[AZ Progressive]

29. This is what the Establishment is banking on, the idea that "its all wrapped up", to discourage

further support for Bernie.

[SoapBox]

33. I just hope that the low-information voters don't fall

hook, line and sinker for it.

[bernbabe]

39. Hopefully

the Hillary voters will think that it's in the bag and they don't need to vote.

[SoapBox]

32. Not me, never...

I will never surrender to the Corprotist Candidate...we've had enough of those.

[jalan48]

35. How does a person surrender the right ideas? Not going to happen.

[WillyT]

37. Not Goin Anywhere... Stickin With Bernie...

Clinton’s strongest weapon is the aura of inevitability that she and her supporters and the media have concocted around her. Part of that is based on reality, part of it is based on super delegates (which I refuse to concede), and part of it is based on spin. Don’t accommodate the super delegates, don’t accommodate the spin.

Link: http://coreyrobin.com/2016/03/02/super-tuesday-march-theses/

[Pastiche423]

41. It's been 44 years since I voted FOR someone

I wanted to be president. (Longer than you've been alive, retrowire).

I've been following Bernie for over a decade, occasionally asking him via email if he would consider running for president. His response went from, Hmmm, something to consider, to maybe I will to pull Hillary leftward, to... I'm running for president!

No way am I giving up. Hell, I haven't even voted yet.

Go Bernie Go!

[deutsey]

45. It's been over 30 years for me

My first vote was against Reagan in '84.

Bernie's the first candidate I'm going to vote for who actually embodies and espouses a political/economic agenda I wholeheartedly embrace.