Bernie Sanders
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something has changed...the winds have shifted
huge wins this weekend in 3 out of 4 states
5 million individual contributions
tonights debate...the audience is going nuts
bernie has a new confidence while she is defensive and on the ropes
something feels......different
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)(and, yes, you and I are Southern, so we can say that. LOL) and have ramped up efforts to GOTV in other states. We've seen a wave of elections with overwhelming turnout in the past few days.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)There's a lot of stupid vote east, north and west. It's just that the stupid vote not only affects the people who voted stupidly, but it affects and causes the rest of us to suffer too. I'm certain that all those people suffering from the incompetence in Michigan that let to the Flint disaster, did not vote for Gov. Snyder, but they have to suffer just the same.
I believe it's mobilizing people to try to neutralize it when it pops up.
klook
(12,155 posts)I'm Southern too, btw, so I'd like to join y'all over here in the corner for some RC Cola and a Moon Pie. (Please go ahead and call the ambulance! )
I think there is a faction voting for Clinton that are united in their fear of an effective GE smear campaign against Sanders. Their hearts often lie with Sanders's policy ideas, but they're afraid to take it to the next level and actually vote for him. They're more scared of losing than they are excited about winning, really winning.
I think those fearful voters are wrong, because Bernie's message resonates with more voters and he has a better chance of prevailing in November.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I happen to live in a pretty liberal area of Tennessee and my neighborhood and city voted for Bernie, so I'm not very familiar with these voters, but it does seem to me like a lot of people are more frightened than they're willing to admit.
What makes this worse is that she actually does worse against the Republicans than he does - in fact she loses to all of them and only barely beats Trump. If they are truly scared of losing, they should be voting for him.
klook
(12,155 posts)Personally, I not only want the best candidate as our nominee, but I want the one who can beat the Republicans and inspire record turnout in the process. That's Bernie Sanders.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)elljay
(1,178 posts)with my mother, who lives in Florida. She loathes Trump and said she doesn't want to take a chance that Trump will win, so she has to vote for Hillary. I tried explaining that the polls show that Bernie is a stronger candidate against Trump, but she wasn't getting it....
Persuaded my brother, who lives in California, to get on the Bernie train today, so I'm 1 for 2. More persuading to come.
Aha
(53 posts)A vote for Clinton is a vote for Trump period.
My mom got this message as well.
elljay
(1,178 posts)She's a stubborn one, though. I may enlist another relative or two to work on her!
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But I'm almost 100% sure she agrees already.
blondie58
(2,570 posts)Is her personal net worth! It is obscene in This Country- that a politician can amass $45 million net worth. A politician!
She is One of the 1%. I am not Voting for her. That And her Habit of changing views and not being sintere.
Oh, and hubby Bill Breaking the Law in NC with his bullhorn. They aren't above the. Law!
I am going to phonebank for Bernie this week. We have to elect him. I have been waiting my entire life for a candidate like him.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)there's a statue of him on the steps of the City-County Building, who always was employed by the City, I believe his salary as Mayor was never more than $60,000 a year...........yet he died a millionaire. No one ever questioned this.
blondie58
(2,570 posts)Always question this. They DO work or us.
mrmpa
(4,033 posts)he died while in office. I met his sons on zoning issues after his death. They were investing their own wealth into various businesses. His wife lived in a home which is now valued at a Bit over $1 million.
It is crazy. I have an anecdote. A young man was working for a City Councilman. The Councilman asked the young man to work with him on Saturday. He met the Councilman who then drove him to various businesses. At the stores, taverns, etc. the councilman asked the kid to go in and tell & tell them that he was in the car & bring whatever they had form out to the car. Each time he brought a brown paper bag.
The Councilman asked him if he was interested what was in the bag. The kid said NO, however the Councilman opened one bag and showed the kid a bunch of money and then stated, "Ain't America Great."
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)The problem is they're not all that popular anymore so the ones sitting on the shelf have probably been there for three decades. LOL.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)What I really, really miss are boiled green peanuts.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)go with me to the caucus the first thing he said to me was "are you ready to go and vote for Trump?. He is very afraid of losing to trump.
Ironically our Dem caucus had one vote for Trump and I suspect it was my jokester. Luckily the vote was overwhelming for Bernie.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)the votes. They preach to their congregations whom to vote for. This is a violation of separation of Church and State and they should have their tax free statuses revoked. Yet I hear our candidates being asked at last night's debate questions about God and what they pray for. There was no way they graciously could have told those people to mind their own business. That religious belief and prayer are very private for the most part. Of course Dame Hillary had been at the church of the woman who breached one of the questions by her own admission.
I don't want Christianity or any religion in my government. That takes us back to the Middle Ages.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)would you like meet my neighbors?
In his campaign speech, the winning candidate for our city (pop ~500) council made it pretty clear that teaching evolution causes teenagers to riot and loot Wal-Mart stores. The nearest Wal-Mart is 20 miles away, and has never had a riot, so our handful of local teenagers must be very determined, to travel out of state to riot because they've been taught that they're savages.
Not only that, our town doesn't even have a f**king school in which to teach evolution--a routine maintenance bond failed, twice, so the school had to shut down. The school site is leased to someone who grazes goats there now.
Stupid may occur in pockets, but it's not limited to one region.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Aquavit
(488 posts)Even Anderson Cooper said "Senator Sanders is right" about the exim bank. That's the first time I've heard any of the screaming heads agree with Bernie!
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)And she slithered away from it both times with some rambling dissertation that went all over the place.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I'm no economist, and I didn't know what it was.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I was shocked that Hillary brought it up in response to Bernie's criticism of her support for trade bills. It is a big corporate welfare boondoggle. Hillary trying to paint it as a small business thing was breathtaking in its audacity. Bernie said it is known in the Senate as "the bank of Boeing". It was great that Cooper followed up and said 75% of the Ex-Im money goes to large corporations.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)But Cooper said 75% goes to large business which would leave 25% for small business, so that's close enough. The point is that it is primarily a giant corporate welfare boondoggle program. Bernie sometimes finds himself on the same side of issues like that with the likes of Rand Paul, and I have no issue with that whatsoever. Nor do I think most independents will and that's why I think the more closely people look at Bernie the broader his appeal will be.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Ex-Im Bank has met its 20% small business target from Congress in some years, but has fallen short in other years, based on authorization amount (see Table 2). At the same time, small business transactions supported by the Bank constitute the majority of Ex-Im Banks transactions by number...
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43581.pdf pg 10
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43581.pdf page 11
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)Minimum of 20% must go to small business. I think he said he pushed for that provision.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and then they said that 70% went to corporations or to.... Boeing?? I swear it sounded like Bernie said "Boeing".
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)Ex Im gives credit to companies in foreign countries buying Boeing airplanes.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)All he needs to do is get his head out of CNN's corporate ass.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)AC does seem to have "some good in him" as opposed to being on "the dark side".
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)And Cooper can be dickish sometimes with his framing of questions, but I prefer him over Wolf. ugh.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I didn't put much stock in it when I read it because it was a progressive pro Sanders website. The article had to do with the sysadmin who set up her private server being given immunity and the rumor that Hillary would be indicted sometime in May.
klook
(12,155 posts)I think the Dem establishment will stick with Clinton as long as possible. I also think it's a very long shot that she will suffer any legal consequences for the email business.
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)If she were to drop out, Bernie would garner enough delegates to win on the 1st ballot. If HRC has to leave later on, the split count would give them the opportunity "select" a different candidate at the convention.
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)nor can one invoke it for nothing. Before the bargain, I thought maybe there was no there there. Now I think there is.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)administration wants this wrapped up ASAP, preferably before the convention. While nothing will probably come of it, if something does it can provide an escape before the convention to push someone else in. Sadly, I do not think they will rally behind Bernie, which, in a situation like this will all too likely mean the establishment will fracture the party and the R's win.
Qutzupalotl
(14,311 posts)until the convention, as he's promising. I agree that an establishment stand-in, especially after the convention, would not do as well. I don't even think Clinton will do well, even if she escapes unscathed.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)From CNN last week:
Dems vs Trump:
Clinton 52 - Trump 44
Sanders 55- Trump 43
Dems vs Rubio:
Clinton 47 - Rubio 50
Sanders 53- Rubio 45
Dems vs Cruz:
Clinton 48 - Cruz 49
Sanders 57- Cruz 40
NowSam
(1,252 posts)This is Bern time. Big time.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)They got some badly needed hail marys, but the terror is still lurking there. I'm still waiting for the shoe to drop that they don't want us to know about- the calls for Bernie to bow out are no calls from a camp that feels safe.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Nina Turner @ninaturner
@BernieSanders is bringing the thunder tonight! #DemDebate
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)He was spot on!! So proud we have him to vote for.
Won't have another one like him in my lifetime.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)When you take some punches, give twice as many in return.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Rod Beauvex
(564 posts)But I fear it will be another JFK.
The gravy train is at stake, after all.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Bernie is speaking with more force and conviction and Hillary seems unfocused and angry.
She is changing the questions and answering what she feels comfortable answering.
Something has changed.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)and it feels good!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)because Bernie has won it!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)leftcoastmountains
(2,968 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I think a lot of people may be looking and listening tonight and saying this guy is not as radical as I thought he was. I was thinking that particularly when he didn't pander on the gun issue where Hillary did.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to get their attention
go bernie!!
Mira
(22,380 posts)in my personal opinion it is goose.
And it is cooked.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)emotion had me in the grip
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Then he can add "free love and nickel beer" to his platform. (That's an old political joke.)
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)The grad student pub at Rice University, Valhalla, used to sell pitchers of beer on Friday afternoon for $1.25 and people would sit on the law of the Chemistry Building. Beer was 25 cents a cup. I was in graduate school at another school then, in the 1980s. I don't know how much cheap beer is now.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)This round is for the group to celebrate a good night. On Me.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)Good times were had by all.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)I went to the Summer School for High School Students at Rice University and found out why the book store is named Sammy's... because Sammy the Owl is the mascot's name. Duh!!!
Another name I heard for the school: William Rice's Marsh. (Founder named William Marsh Rice. The butler killed him and James Baker's grandfather, founder of the Baker & Botts law firm, saved the estate to found the school. Back in 1900.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Glad you got to experience Rice U!
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)My grades were not good enough. I graduated from Trinity in San Antonio.
eridani
(51,907 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Canada plans to experiment with giving people unconditional free money
Finland and the Netherlands have already shown their interest in giving people a regular monthly allowance regardless of working status, and now Ontario, Canada is onboard.
While one kneejerk reaction is to argue that free money creates a lazy working class, research suggests the opposite is true. Supported by the financial safety net, people in one 2013 study actually worked 17% longer hours and received 38% higher earnings when basic income was given a shot.
http://www.techinsider.io/ontario-announces-basic-income-plan-2016-3
I wonder if Bernie will consider playing with this if he's elected and Canada's plan seems to be working. I also read in the Guardian that millennials all around the globe are experiencing the lowest wages since we've been recording this information. The recession, high home prices and rent, and low wages and globalism have all had their impact. Maybe it's time to look at home prices too, although so many people's wealth (if you can call it that) is tied up in their homes, it would most likely be impossible to try to make an adjustment to match incomes. We'll have to do it the other way...bring incomes up to match current cost of living.
I'm thinking that globalism has worked to lower wages in the US better than we even know yet.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Old Crow
(2,212 posts)That theme in her closing stuck out like a sore thumb. She's so predictable: Whatever's getting the attention of the latest focus group becomes the new slant in her speeches.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)How will the DU HRC hoi polloi spin this one?
This will be interesting.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)For what it's worth, I thought his closing in tonight's debate was superb. The response from the audience was thunderous!
GO, BERNIE, GO!
glinda
(14,807 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)One candidate a bit more pushy but all in all this was actually a debate, something you don't see when the republicans take the stand.
As you say, I believe Bernie did an excellent job.
Duval
(4,280 posts)I think Bernie was great and I'm so happy that he won Maine!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)There's no "there" there. She has no "center", and therefore, as W. B. Yeats wrote, the centre will not hold.
An extremely intelligent person with no core values or beliefs - other than her own survival, which she equates with accumulating endless amounts of wealth and power.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Does she even know what she is saying? Does she not realize that states that are for it are for it for one reason only...jobs. They are desperate for jobs. If they all had good jobs they would not let anyone near their border with chemicals that poison the ground water, and pressurized wells that cause earthquakes.
Money makes people do a lot of things that are not good for them.
Bernie's reply:
You don't support a bad idea just when it suites your purpose. Once again, Bernie demonstrates his consistently thoughtful decisions.
She is clueless. Without the trade policies and union trashing, we wouldn't have lost all the auto jobs in the first place.
Clinton said shes supporting a program to pay people in Flint to deliver the water while the pipes are being fixed. As president, she said she would also concentrate resources for economic development, health and education.
Oh, how is she "supporting" the program? I can support it verbally too, does that mean I get to run for president? And she's only saying she will actually do something "when she is President"...is that some kind of ransom?
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Colorado Rambler
(40 posts)Bernie really did a nice one-up on the Hillary creature with his single word response to her blathering. She made a fool of herself with that one. And Bernie is the only candidate running who has the both the integrity and the intelligence to recognize the reality of global warming. Just imagine - the US with a president who wouldn't have excommunicated Galileo for heresy and actually listens to the concerns of almost every single scientist doing legitimate research on climate change today.
I agree that's it's all too seldom that we get the chance to choose a leader such as Sanders. He's like the bright light of a candle held high during one of this country's darkest times. I doubt that I will see his equivalent in what remains of my life-time. I'm going to do everything I can to help him win. He MUST win. He is our greatest hope. Go, Bernie!
OZi
(155 posts)I wish Bernie would have said: "I just need the stick."
dana_b
(11,546 posts)He got a big round of applause for that statement and frankly I was surprised. I LOVE it that he is so honest and just says it. I can't think of any other candidate who woud say that about their own party. Maybe Trump but he'd say it with some sort of gross joke.
Dem Socialist 2016
(4 posts)Bernie Sanders is the best Democratic candidate for president in my lifetime.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)we've had since FDR.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I've been kind of down about his chances since SC. I know he's had some good wins and it's still early in the primary season, but he really needs to win and win big in some of the larger states to start picking up steam on the delegates. The states that are coming up like Michigan and Illinois are going to heavily favor Clinton. He needs an upset in some of those states.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Let's move on.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)It is in Canada so it is a weird state does not count.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)are "odd" and dont count anyway....
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)Her fangirls on FB are in full attack mode. Obviously a nerve was struck!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bernbabe
(370 posts)And before that Minnesota and Colorado were important.
But Michigan will tell us if we are really where we need to be. Must be at least very close, a win would be good, a bigger win would be YOOOOJ.
jillan
(39,451 posts)He has a lot of support in that state. Polls show in her favor but the polls also said she would win Kansas. It's hers to lose.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)a win would be, of course, amazing!
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Michigan surely must know that Bill Clinton forced NAFTA through Congress with the help of Hillary. Ross Perot said it would create a great sucking sound of jobs and factories leaving America.
It is truly amazing if Michigan voters can't even remember who destroyed the auto industry and their State.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)As long as Republicans support any trade deal you know it is wrong. Not one single Republican needs to ever release any kind of Wall Street transcript you know where they stand. Any Republican that wavers from supporting Oligarch's cannot be a Republican.
dchill
(38,492 posts)deepestblue
(349 posts)The 'transcripts' reply was a facepalm. I dearly hope the voters in Michigan can see through ALL of these utter shenanigans.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Debbie Wasserman Schultz or David Brock or John Podesta or Bill come up with some sort of Bullshit Republican move.
Debbie Wassermann Schultz has to go now..After the pay day loan give-a-way,the Caucus shenanigans, questionable vote counting I just don't trust her calling the shots in all these Primary vote counts and delegate assignments....I put here is the same class as Karl Rove,(hell she might be better than Karl now),Would she cheat for a Hillary win..hell yes she would..... Iowa,Nev,Mass so far ...
Iowa.... failed to allow the continuation of the audit after 14 precinct showed gains for Bernie.
Nev..Improper vote tallies,people allowed to caucus without registering,(hell some may have been from 20different states)
Bernie Sanders Votes assigned to Hillary by Hillary precinct captains...
And then
Mass..Hell yes Bill violated election laws,blocked the voting entrance and even the vote count there..
So if we can keep Ms. Karl Rove Jr. from stealing this thing i think we have a chance
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Duckfan
(1,268 posts)...in picking the nomination? It was in Jan I believe. They picked Bernie. I haven't forgotten that prediction.
I have to hope Mich. is much smarter than we realize knowing their economic circumstances and who is on their side and who has screwed them in the 90's.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)really keeping fingers crossed for michigan today..