~@*The Official Miami Florida Debate Bernie Sander Group Thread!*@~

[retrowire]

Here it is folks!

Let's huddle together as we always do and enjoy the first debate after last nights awesome win from Bernie in Michigan!

JOIN US IN PART 2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280141840

[jwirr]

1. I'm with you.

[Armymedic88]

2. I'm pretty sure that's a brown suit?!

Bernie DGAF lol

[RKP5637]

3. It was neat hearing a male singer do the Star Spangled Banner. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

113. I dunno

I thought he was off tempo, and held a few of the notes too long.
But hey, I have been singing for my whole life, what do I know?

[RKP5637]

119. Yep, definitely some of the notes were a stretch and broken up. He was reaching. n/t

[retrowire]

4. Hmmm, bilingual! Neat! nt

[chknltl]

5. Thank you. nt

[retrowire]

6. Ha, Hillary's opening statement was cut off for being too long.

Oh boy. We can look forward to more of that.

[nc4bo]

7. Which fucking Hillary tonight? I think the transformation into Bernie is complete.nt

[retrowire]

8. Yep, now ECONOMICS is her number one concern!

Oh look, Bernie's got the most applause in his opening!

[rhett o rick]

10. LOL. Her poor supporters are getting whiplashed by her changes in directions. They have been

going on and on about that the economy wasn't the most important issue.

[retrowire]

9. OMG "Why did you fail in last nights competition?" to Hillary. XD nt

[retrowire]

11. "How can you make up the deficit in delegates?" to Bernie.

Good question. Here's the answer.

Our momentum is breaking records. We're turning tables, fast.

[nc4bo]

12. I hope he really makes the difference between himself and Hill. Go hard or

Go home.

[retrowire]

13. I like that Jorge disclosed on TV that his daughter works for Hillary.

I shake his hand for that.

[nc4bo]

14. Same here. Wish they'd ALL do it! nt

[RoccoR5955]

27. I like that he asked her

if she would drop out if she was indicted!

[Fawke Em]

66. Wasn't able to watch, but did he really ask that???

What did she say?

[RoccoR5955]

103. She refused to answer

in an arrogant way.

[Fawke Em]

111. Wow.

I'll have to watch this later.

My Mom had a minor accident and I was doing some errands for her.

[SamKnause]

15. Damn !!!!!!!!!!!

[nc4bo]

18. Hehe....fast tiptoetalking. Impressive. nt

[retrowire]

16. "I'm not worried about it, I'm not concerned about it

and no Democrat or anyone should be either"

Thanks for telling us what to worry about, Hillary, we can think for ourselves, THANK YOU.

[Cassiopeia]

22. Indeed.

[winter is coming]

106. Well, that'll be one of tomorrow's talking points.

No DEMOCRAT should question what will happen if Hillary gets indicted. Considering how much the Third Way has devalued the "Democrat" label, I'm not sure why anyone would worry about being able to keep it.

[retrowire]

109. fucking eh. nt

[RKP5637]

17. What did they do to Bernie's microphone. n/t

[retrowire]

20. I noticed that!!!

Very echo-y....

Hillary's sounds like it less so.

[RKP5637]

24. Sounds like they've got echo chambers on. Really distorted, most of it now. n/t

[Cassiopeia]

19. I'm impressed so far.

Moderators forcing answers to their questions even when they get dodged.

[retrowire]

21. Yep! nt

[RKP5637]

26. Yep! n/t

[RoccoR5955]

23. Whisky Tango Foxtrot!!!!

Clinton refused to answer a legitimate question?!?!?!
How arrogant is that?

[retrowire]

25. Which one was it?? nt

[RoccoR5955]

29. She refused to answer

if she would drop out if she was indicted for her emails!
That is just asking for the RepubliCLOWNs to indict her!

[retrowire]

33. Ahhhh, yeah she dodged that. nt

[winter is coming]

114. That's just asking every reporter on the planet to keep dogging her with the question. n/t

[nc4bo]

28. Typical Hillary. nt

[Aquavit]

34. Pretty much

[RKP5637]

30. Go Bernie!!! n/t

[SamKnause]

32. Fucking A !!!!!

[retrowire]

31. Does Bernie think it's dangerous to just outright call Trump a racist?

Did Hillary do it? Is it not cool to just outright say it???

[SamKnause]

35. Neither one would call him racist.

I don't know why ???

[Cassiopeia]

41. I wouldn't.

First, they're still in the primary.

Second, Trump would likely file a lawsuit immediately creating some bullshit narrative that steers everyone away from the issues.

Finally it doesn't matter. Those that are racist and like Trump wouldn't care if called out. Those affected by racism know what Trump stands for and won't be voting for him. There's nothing to gain overall.

[Cassiopeia]

36. Hispandering

I LOVE it. I especially LOVED the little gasp Hillary gave out.

She did not expect this debate. (neither did I for that matter)

[Merryland]

37. these are some tough questions but not enough follow-up

from the journalists.

[nc4bo]

38. Good he can explain this vote. Nt

[retrowire]

47. Hillary tried knocking his position on it as if it made everything worse. nt

[retrowire]

39. Wow, they're pulling out clips from the past against Bernie???

Bernie can easily explain this.

But they better pull up video against Hillary if they're going to be fair.

[SamKnause]

42. He's kicking ass.

[nc4bo]

43. Oh yea they better do just that or theyve just given us a tell. nt

[Cleita]

40. Is there such a thing as a kangaroo debate?

Gotcha questions aren't getting to the issues Democratic Americans want to know about.

[nc4bo]

44. But they are issues Latinos care about. Remember this is Univision. Nt

[Cleita]

57. I'm Latina and I don't care why she lost Michigan.eom

[nc4bo]

63. Yea but you're with us on DU, in the Bernie Sanders group ;) nt

[Cleita]

75. And what has that to do with stupid questions?

Do not try to make me into a troll. I was among the first to be banned from the Hillary group. However, I'll even defend Hillary against unfair questions. I am glad they are finally getting into substance about the Honduran refugees.

[nc4bo]

80. You need to calm down!

What im trying to say is this debate isn't for us, its for indies, undecideds and those who dont know much about these candidates.

[Cleita]

101. I'm originally from Chile and I want to know just how much

influence Henry Kissinger had on her policy when she was SOS. I really want that dirty linen out in public and this is the debate it should come out in. In case you aren't familiar with what Kissinger did in South America under Nixon look up the Chilean 9/11.

[nc4bo]

104. .

[retrowire]

65. good point. nt

[Cassiopeia]

49. I haven't heard gotcha question.

I've heard serious questions that the MSM has been refusing to ask.

If they can't answer a simple question with a direct answer they have no right to be POTUS.

[Cleita]

62. First ones were about losing, winning...

now they are doing more substance.

[SamKnause]

45. Bernie is kicking serious ass !!!!!!!

[RoccoR5955]

46. Hillary sounds like she is on the defensive here

Good to hear it.
We have Bernmentum!

[retrowire]

48. wait... what's this republican minutemen bullshit?

is this a new lie? This sounds new to me.

[nc4bo]

53. I missed that mess.nt

[JonLeibowitz]

56. She didn't even answer the point about deporting children & NY driver license

She used her response, saying the characterizations were unfair and then immediately pivoted away.

Pathetic!

[retrowire]

60. Sounds about right. nt

[RKP5637]

50. Hillary's starting to get daggers in her eyes with those looks at Bernie!

[Merryland]

52. she looks really really mad

[nc4bo]

54. Splashing holy water: the power of Christ compels you! Nt

[RKP5637]

64. She's counting down, holding it in.

[nc4bo]

69. She does look furious. Especially with the clips! Nt

[RKP5637]

78. She's gonna let go.

[nc4bo]

84. She should just go for it. Not good to hold all that in! Nt

[cyberpj]

51. "There's a process and the process will take it's course." (ie, I don't want to talk about this now)

Such a class act.

There's nothing to say about the damn emails right now, Repubs will take care of that.

[SamKnause]

55. Yes he is.

So sincere.

So honest.

So passionate.

[Robbins]

58. moderators are being a bit tough here

some of questions asked of clinton isn't softball questions.

[retrowire]

61. Yeah these moderators are awesome. nt

[Cassiopeia]

77. I know you're new to politics as a blood sport

I haven't seen a debate moderated this well in decades. I'm glad it's an early experience for you, but don't get overly hopeful that this will set a new precedent.

[SheenaR]

59. Every debate should have questions this pointed n/t

They aren't running for middle school Class secretary

Go Bernie!

[retrowire]

67. agreed. nt

[retrowire]

68. Hey look they're pulling video clips against Hillary!

Yay for fairness! That's all we ask for, thank you Univision!

[nc4bo]

72. She no likey. nt

[SamKnause]

70. She can never answer yes or no.

Always long drawn out no answers.

[retrowire]

73. Yep, and I was surprised when she said "Yes"

but then continued "you can!"

lmao Well??? YES OR NO?!

She committed, SHE WILL NOT DEPORT CHILDREN. SHE WON'T DEPORT IMMIGRANTS WITH A CLEAN CRIMINAL RECORD.

But he had to PRESSSSS...

God this debate is awesome!

[shanti]

71. "deporter in chief"

whoa! jorge is hammering her.

[SamKnause]

74. Oh my.

She is disagreeing with President Obama.

I thought she was stuck on his coattails.

[bernbabe]

128. We're getting out of the high black % states

so she can start disagreeing with Obama now.

[Autumn Colors]

76. Why am I not seeing the debate on your stream link?

Is there some other link where to watch?

[retrowire]

82. i dunno! I'm sorry! :( nt

[cyberpj]

95. Try this:

http://www.cnn.com/

[Pastiche423]

99. I found a livestream here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/march-9-democratic-primary-debate-live-stream/

[Cassiopeia]

124. A pop up blocker may be stopping it.

[Merryland]

79. yes Bernie! Go for it! the Honduras children...

[retrowire]

81. Bernie: "Not only will I not deport children or immigrants with clean records, but Hillary

HAS denied children immigration."

He's hitting hard.

[Merryland]

83. her voice is awful.

[cyberpj]

85. Just logged in tonight, maybe someone has already said this, THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR SANDERS

Getting his truth out to people who might not yet have heard it, and they get to hear his earnestness.

Really, the more debates the better for him.

[Robbins]

86. wow

she is trying to say 2007 immigration bill would have solved everything.

guess who was president at the time. CLintons buddy bush.

[Armymedic88]

87. My girlfriend who hates politics just looked at me and said...

"Does she ever answer a question?"

[retrowire]

88. nice! nt

[RKP5637]

90. She an artist at circumventing questions!

[SamKnause]

89. Get off it Hillary.

You lost this round.

Now she is repeating herself.

Go on to the next question.

[RKP5637]

93. She spinning with diffusion!

[SamKnause]

91. BERN !!!!!!!!!!!

[Jenny_92808]

191. Bernie is

on fire. Go Bernie!

[nc4bo]

92. Here we go...the auto bailout lie. Nt

[shanti]

94. weeeeeee!

[retrowire]

96. The fucking auto-bailout thing!!

Please Bernie, bury this bullshit now.

[nc4bo]

100. He's working on it! Nt

[retrowire]

102. At least he got the last word on it. nt

[RKP5637]

97. We LOVE Bernie!!!

[SamKnause]

112. Me TOO !!!!!!!!!!

I have never said that about a politician.

I have never seen an honest politician until now !!!!

[SamKnause]

98. She is lying.

She knows she is lying.

It has been proven that she lied !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She been called out on this LIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cleita]

105. God is she ever. eom

[nc4bo]

110. She makes my stomach turn, seriously. Nt

[RKP5637]

118. She lays it on so thick with the SOS! Like we must believe her, the anointed.

[nc4bo]

121. She's pandering and bullshitting bigtime. Nt

[Cleita]

129. Particularly about the undocumented people coming from Central America.

I was working with a group that tries to give them information so they aren't taken advantage of and mistreated once they are here. They should be given refugee status because of the rape and murder they are experiencing in their own countries. I want to hear what they have to say about this and if they will give them that status. Deporting them is not only dividing families but often sending them back to certain death in many cases.

[nc4bo]

154. Your concerns should be addressed and deserve to be heard.

And I agree with you. Horrible policies!

[Cleita]

163. Thank you. eom

[RoccoR5955]

107. That is why she is filibustering

or she has no concept of time.

[Aquavit]

108. She just cannot help

But to shoot herself in the foot.

[RoccoR5955]

116. If she keeps it up she will lose Florida too! n/t

[Cleita]

143. From your keyboard to God's eyes and anyone who

bothers to look at her failures as SOS.

[mwooldri]

189. Well her lips are moving.... nt

[Merryland]

115. he's politically brilliant. He's also honest.

[retrowire]

117. The audio of the 2 languages is too even.

I can't really hear both lines at the same time.

Oh good the moderator states the questions.

[retrowire]

120. I think Bernie misunderstood the question.

The lady has her children, she's separated from the husband. She's not separated from her kids Bernie! damnit...

Hillary giving the longest answer she can.

[nc4bo]

126. He could have.....I need to see the replay. Nt

[SheenaR]

122. There can be no spin

This first hour is awful for her. Awful

[TBF]

123. I can't listen to her again -

But I'll update w/Twitter:

DSA Retweeted
David Axelrod ‏@davidaxelrod 46s47 seconds ago Arizona, USA
She did it again and I'll say it again. It's misleading to imply that TARP II was an auto bailout bill. #DemDebate

[SamKnause]

135. Awesome !!!!

[MissDeeds]

140. I am with you

I absolutely cannot stand her. Lie upon lie. Pandering. Evading the questions. She is not the best of us...not by a long shot.

[SamKnause]

125. The untrustworthy question.

Her record speaks for itself.

You Tube is filled with videos of her lying repeatedly.

[retrowire]

127. OHHHH "Hillary is there anything in your own actions that caused the distrust?" nt

[TBF]

130. And MM cracks me the hell up -

Michael Moore ‏@MMFlint now3 seconds ago
In the SNL sketch of this, right after Hillary tells the immigrant how much she supports her, she's then caught by Camera 3 dialing the INS.

[RoccoR5955]

131. Fillibustery!

Is that all that she can do?
Why is she getting so much time?

[retrowire]

132. "It's not easy for me to do what I think is right." Hillary said it herself. nt

[RoccoR5955]

136. She has to check her weathervane

to see which way the wind is blowing!

[RKP5637]

134. OMG did she say that, she's not a natural politician.

[retrowire]

138. "I'm not establishment! I'm just like youuuu!" nt

[RKP5637]

147. OMG, what a load from her!

[winter is coming]

162. She's also not a witch. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

148. Yeah, she's a supernatural politician.

As in witch!

[Cleita]

153. Hah! If she can't stand the heat then maybe she shouldn't be

in politics.

[cyberpj]

183. I just got to this point, watching Tivo playback. "I'm not a natural politician" was astounding!

Then why has she made it her life-long career!??

Why would she even say something like that?

Can't wait for the news to get their hands on that one tomorrow.

[RKP5637]

185. It's great for a Bernie campaign ad. n/t

[Voice for Peace]

210. This is verbatim a line she used once in an interview.

It was being discussed last night by the CNN panel!!!
FFS!!!

They were saying it had been a great moment for her, aka rare glimpse of authenticity, aka splaining why she's so misunderstood..

And they said she needed to do that more.

So...
translated to reality:

unspontaneously offer a canned statement about yourself in order to appear more authentic/sympathetic/spontaneous?

[TBF]

137. Twitter likes Bernie tonight -

Bernie's Homie Retweeted
MrMitchMitchell ‏@MrMitchMitchell 8m8 minutes ago
I never knew Bernie was such a bad ass. Respect #DemDebate

[RKP5637]

141. People are getting to know Bernie better now!!!

[cyberpj]

139. Calling her out publicly on her shit! LOVE THAT! You GO Bernie. She's still on the auto industry lie

And trying to save face.

Go get her Bernie.

Edited: Oh. I see I'm watching a little behind on my Tivo. Sorry. I'll catch up next commercial.

[SamKnause]

142. Bernie is tearing it up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Impedimentus]

188. Moved to correct response

Sorry

[TBF]

144. Teachers for Bernie are not amused

Teachers For Bernie ‏@BernieTeachers 36s37 seconds ago
How many times will Clinton mention President Obama tonight?

[Jenny_92808]

200. I hope nobody is making that a drinking game tonight.

If so, they should take a cab if they are not watching from home.

[retrowire]

145. "Do you think she's saying one thing in the speeches and another thing in public?"

"THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE TRANSCRIPTS WOULD TELL US"

[cyberpj]

152. I think she says whatever needs saying to whomever she speaks, thinking: what's in this for me? nt

[Merryland]

146. humility is missing. n/t

[SamKnause]

149. I called them out and I have been sucking on the corporate teat ever since.

[retrowire]

150. HILLARY STOP

If you want our damn trust, just release the god damn transcripts which YOU SAY PROVE THAT YOU TOLD WALL ST TO CUT IT OUT.

[RoccoR5955]

159. She never will release them

because they would BURY her!

[bernbabe]

151. Hillary is going to go after Wall St?

[mak3cats]

155. They just need to cut her fucking mic!!!

[RoccoR5955]

156. WTF? Now she wants to rein in Wall St.

Like she did when she was Senator?
I like Bernie's comeback!

[retrowire]

158. This crowd CLEARLY loves Bernie. nt

[TBF]

157. Bernie Sanders feed *snort*

Bernie Sanders ‏@BernieSanders 16s17 seconds ago
Video from that Clinton speech telling Wall St to "cut it out" shows her greeting "wonderful donors" in the room.

[SamKnause]

160. March 15th may be a very happy day after all.

She is doing terrible.

[leftcoastmountains]

161. I don't think Bernie is doing so well

tonight. Clinton answered the immigrant woman's concern far better.
Bernie repeated his stump speech and Hillary said the woman's words back to
her to show empathy. An old trick I know but came across much better.
He just doesn't seem to be on tonight.

[bernbabe]

166. I think he is kicking ass.

[retrowire]

168. That's the only moment where I noticed a stumble.

I think everything else has been great.

[RoccoR5955]

169. What debate are you watching?

Certainly not the one on CNN!

[leftcoastmountains]

202. I just think Hillary is a much better debator.

I know no one is going agree with me but I'm trying
to be objective. He was much better the other night.

[RoccoR5955]

205. AFAIC

she is a better bovine fecal artist.

[Cleita]

173. I think he should pull back and let her talk.

She will hang herself with her own words in that audience.

[bernbabe]

164. Oh snap!

FEAR THE BERN!!!

[Jenny_92808]

204. +1

"FEAR THE BERN!!!"

[SamKnause]

165. Export Import Bank.

She can't help herself.

[nc4bo]

167. OH MY GOD

[retrowire]

170. 0.o Benghazi???

MY hands are off this one. It's still an issue I don't understand.

[SamKnause]

175. Agree.

Was it because of the video or a terrorist attack ???

I don't see why that matters.

[nc4bo]

176. I dont think she answered the specific question, not sure though. Nt

[retrowire]

179. Again, I don't even fully understand the question.

All I know is that Benghazi is a location. Americans died. People are blaming Hillary.

Literally ALL I know about Benghazi.

[nc4bo]

184. I thought I heard Chelsea's name mentioned.

Honestly I heard the B word and kinda tuned out.

[Depaysement]

198. The claim is she didn't obtain enough protection for the consulate

And that led to American deaths, including Ambassador Stevens. Pretty weak meme, IMHO.

[Cassiopeia]

178. This is a good article on everything about it.

and by everything I mean how it all began and why it happened. It deals with the entire situation giving lots of context.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/libya-isis-hillary-clinton.html?smid=fb-share

[TBF]

171. MM again -

Michael Moore ‏@MMFlint 7s7 seconds ago
Here's a solution, Hillary: Just give back the $225,000 to GoldmanSachs, and give back the $15 million Wall St has given you. Problem solved

[retrowire]

172. Yep. nt

[Cassiopeia]

187. That doesn't solve a damn thing.

It would be a temporary return to try and boost polling.

If she were to win the whole contest and become POTUS she would just get all of it and more back. It would likely come back instantly through The Foundation with promised direct personal payments as soon as the presidency is completed.

It would be yet another gimmick.

[TBF]

174. Hillary in her hood -

People For Bernie ‏@People4Bernie 23s23 seconds ago

Oh, look, it's Hillary Clinton breaking ground at the @GoldmanSachs HQ with a bunch of her 1% pals. #DemDebate

[RKP5637]

182. Yep, just a bunch of typical Americans, just like us.

[retrowire]

177. Bernie is wise not to go after Benghazi, but rather to point out Hillary's regime change habits. nt

[nc4bo]

180. I agree. nt

[SamKnause]

181. Please start thread number 2.

[MissDeeds]

186. Holy freaking hell

Is Bernie the only one who has time limits? She talked forever, uninterrupted. Damn!

[Cassiopeia]

190. Bernie ran well over a few times as well.

just to be fair.

[RKP5637]

193. Yeah, they keep cutting him off. Hillary gets a free pass. n/t

[Impedimentus]

192. A Goldman Sachs Commercial During the Break - Rich !

What Timing !

[retrowire]

194. Ha! No way! nt

[Cassiopeia]

195. NEW THREAD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280141840

Thanks Retrowire!

[retrowire]

196. No problemo! nt

[saltpoint]

197. Sanders, all his political life, and it's

been a very long one, has argued from the minority position against a recalcitrant majority view.

Hillary Clinton, overwhelmingly, has always been positioned in the majority opinion, the control-panel perspective, the consensus of the status quo at the expense of big change.

She's always been in a group of others projecting the similar viewpoint, rounding the edges, making an idea palatable to the center.

She struggles in debates against Bernie Sanders because she's alone up there trying to use center-leaning language against his revolutionary tongue.

And he has the great advantage in a matchup when she can't couch her positions with a group. She has never processed public service from an outsider's perspective, and while she is fierce against Sanders, she is ineffective.

Bernie's unpredictable to the recalcitrant majority and so he's very agile in debating it.

[Merryland]

199. It sounded like Hillary just yelled at that woman journalist. Very nasty.

[nc4bo]

201. Universal COVERAGE vs universal HEALTHCARE. Get it straight Hill. nt

[Baobab]

206. GATS ties their hands..

http://www.citizen.org/documents/Threats_to_Health_Care_Policy.pdf

[nc4bo]

207. Thanks for that! She tries to blur the line between the two.nt

[Baobab]

203. Clinton offered refinancing to students buried in debt.. while privatizing education

while privatizing education globally.
with TTIP and TISA? She fought for privatizing health care with the WTO.

[leftcoastmountains]

208. Direct question about Cuba! Shows video of

Bernie praising Castro! Good and he's giving a good answer.

[fbc]

209. Wow! the most lopsided debate yet.

Bernie absolutely destroyed her tonight.