Has either Clinton ever explained why the RW conspired against them but not other democrats,

[snagglepuss]

at least not to the same extent?

Let me say that even though I disliked Bill Clinton from the get go and was unhappy he got the nomination, I always bought into the notion there was in fact a conspiracy against them for no other reason than that I really loathed Republicans and wouldn't put it past them.

Then the other day after Hillary "misspoke" about Nancy Reagan, I wondered whether Hillary ever commented about AIDS in the 1980s so I did some googling and discovered the tainted blood from Arkansas prisons scandal which involved people who were friends of Clinton and involved in his campaign.

This discovery really shocked and I'd be interested knowing if before this scandal, did the Clintons, while they were in Arkansas, ever state that they were objects of a RW conspiracy or did talk of a conspiracy start after this tainted blood travesty came to light?

[Art_from_Ark]

1. I lived in Arkansas at the time

and was a very politically aware university student. I don't remember a lot of talk about RW conspiracies against the Clintons, although some of my liberal professors were not too enthusiastic about Hillary. Admittedly, at the time I was a subscriber to the liberal Arkansas Gazette and didn't pay much attention to its conservative rival (at the time), the Arkansas Democrat. If only I could go to the University of Arkansas library, I could go through microfiche of Arkansas Democrat papers from that era to see what the right-wing was thinking.

[iAZZZo]

12. no need to avail yourself of the "microfiche of Arkansas Democrat papers"

progressives elucidated their disgust in the printed, alternative media more than two decades ago, some of which is available on the web

my post here http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511471146 (hillary clinton: the "non-stop right wing spectacular"*, "rw talking ponts", et. al.) tried to elucidate

the beginning:

read herein and around the web this primary season is this "right-wing" meme thing regarding hillary clinton.......

hearkening rubio's infamous debate refrain,

let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that alexander cockburn didn't know what he was writing. he knew exactly what he was writing:

The Clinton Files: Is Hillary a Crook?

"From 1993 to 2001, Alexander Cockburn and I wrote dozens of articles on the political corruption of Bill and Hillary Clinton and their cronies in DC and Arkansas. In many ways, those years represented the golden age of political journalism, with a fresh scandal ripening each month. As Hillary cruises toward the Democratic nomination, if not the White House, it’s time to dig into the Clinton Files and resurrect the stories of sleaze, malfeasance and transgression from that feculent decade." (Jeffrey St. Clair - 2015)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/30/the-clinton-files-is-hillary-a-crook/

[Art_from_Ark]

16. I'd still like to look through those old papers

Heck, I'd also like to look through the Gazette papers from that time, to refresh my memory of what the liberals were saying about the Clintons.

The great Gazette cartoonist, George Fisher, always portrayed Bill Clinton as a little kid on a tricycle.

[Kalidurga]

2. I am working on this issue right the fuck now!!!!

Seriously I think I found this about the same way you did. I wasn't looking for a scandal or a reason to be even angrier than I was. I forget who I was talking to that had a link to this.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/1999/may/15/tainted-plasma-traced-to-arkansas-prison-bill-clintons-blood-trails/

then I found this

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=3732

and this

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2209211/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm

and started making threads on it and posting some links in other threads

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017338664

as of this writing not a single Hillary Clinton supporter has so much as said boo to me on this issue. AND I AM NOT GOING TO BACK DOWN.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1487008

#stillmadthough
#thebighousenotthewhitehouse

[snagglepuss]

6. I wonder how many other people out there have

wondered what Hillary was saying about AIDS back in day when the Reagans laughed it off and stumbled upon this story while googling. We can't be the only two that never knew about it. As for silence from Hill supporters, I think they have marching orders to let any threads about this simply die. There is no way they want this story re-visited.


I am really left dumbstruck. It is beyond comprehension that Clinton allowed this to go on. What is the psychological makeup of those two who after all this happened with no apology become ever so concerned about AIDS once Bill is pres. Does anyone really have clue what Hillary is about. If she didn't know why would she stay with him once it was discovered that he was involved in something that is so morally reprehensible.

[SFnomad]

3. What are you talking about?

Reagan had Iran hold the hostages until after Carter was defeated.

Clinton doesn't need any explanation.

Kerry was Swift-boated.

Obama has had everything thrown at him, starting with the Birther nonsense (and no that was NOT started by Hillary Clinton or her campaign.)

It seems that starting with Clinton, the RepubliCONs have gone full scorched Earth on Democrats. And no conspiracy is too loony tunes for them to pass up.

[JFKDem62]

4. I totally agree. The minute Bill Clinton got into office, the GOP hounded them to hell and back.

Impeachment on day one. What they did to the Clintons was a crime.

They did the same to Obama, but instead of impeachment, they made it clear he
was not a legitimate president. And obstructed him at every turn.

Bernie will be the next target, make no mistake.

[iAZZZo]

13. "Bernie will be the next target, make no mistake."

gmab.........

familiar with jonathan kwitny ('the kwitny report')?

progressives were calling out the clintons well before the right

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511471146

[JFKDem62]

14. As a confirmed political junkie for over 50 years

I missed the Democrats hounding the Clintons before the GOP did it.

The minute the Clintons got in office, they were tarred and feathered in a witch hunt by the GOP
Sorry to mix metaphors.

Edited to add: I am a total Bernie fan, but wired to be fair and accurate.
Some of the attacks on the Clintons are well deserved, some are just not true.

[iAZZZo]

15. "I missed the Democrats hounding the Clintons before the GOP did it."

there was no "hounding (of) the Clintons before the GOP did it." by democrats. the mass of 'democrats', so to speak, had a love-fest with the couple commencing with their national notoriety in '91

neither was there "hounding" by the progressive, printed media. "hounding" would have required input from corporate media

"confirmed political junkie(s) for over 50 years" clearly lack depth relative to their self-professed addiction. at the very least, edification requires familiarity with the wall street journal's 80's investigative reporter kwitny

a path might begin at http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511471146..........

thank you for your input

[snagglepuss]

5. Point taken that the RW has used underhanded and contemptible

means to destroy Democratic presidents and candidates. However I am still curious to know exactly when the Clintons started claiming there was a conspiracy against them because if there was a conspiracy against the Clintons it actually helped them bury this real scandal among a host of other accusations of criminal behavior.

[Kalidurga]

7. That is the worst thing about RepubliCONS.

You can show them pictures of people who were hurt by the Clinton policies and they won't care one bit. You could show them the movie about Factor 8 and they wouldn't care. But, Bill gets a blow job and it's millions of dollars spent trying to impeach him.

[starroute]

8. The "vast right-wing conspiracy" was Sid Blumenthal's idea

Yeah, the same Sid Blumenthal. I was checking my saved files to see what I had on him and found that he first came to notice for editing a book of Kennedy assassination theories and for publicizing the actions of Cointelpro. Here's something that appeared in the conservative publication Human Events in 2004:

http://humanevents.com/2004/02/10/intercollegiate-studies-institute-turns-fifty/

About 20 years ago a Washington Post reporter named Sidney Blumenthal interviewed me for a Post series that eventually became his book, The Rise of the Counter-Establishment (1986), one of the first journalistic attempts to explain the role of foundations and think tanks in creating modern conservatism.

Blumenthal in time became a confidante of Bill and Hillary Clinton and is widely credited with planting in the First Lady’s mind the notion of the “vast right-wing conspiracy.” But back then he was still wondering about the origins of conservatism and the backgrounds of the strange people moving to Washington to join the Reagan Administration.

I remember he questioned me about a group that he decided was the wellspring of the conservative movement. It was the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI), which I had joined as an undergraduate: “You all knew each other back then, didn’t you?” he asked.

I explained that ISI was a conservative student and faculty group holding conferences and seminars. It published a journal, supported student newspapers, and gave out scholarships. But Blumenthal wanted to hear stories of plots for seizing power, the seeds of revolution.

ISI is certainly a plausible candidate for right-wing dirty tricks. Back in the 90s, it had close ties with racists, white supremacists, and the Scaife empire. More recently, its Collegiate Network has funded right-wing college newspapers like the one where James O'Keefe got his start. But Blumenthal's theory about a "vast right-wing conspiracy," based only on the fact that many movement conservatives had been members of the group at various times, was certainly overblown.

[eridani]

9. RW has always trashed Democrats, no exceptions. n/t

[SoapBox]

10. Yup.

And then why does it seem that Dems just roll over and play dead?

I would like some people elected for our side, that have a fucking spine...like Bernie.

[SFnomad]

11. Just because you're paranoid ....

... doesn't mean they're not out to get you.