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Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:18 AM Mar 2016

If she were running against anyone else besides Bernie ....

I very sincerely, for so many reasons, hope that she does not win the nomination.
I refuse to think about that possibility unless/until there is no other option.

I hope Bernie stands tall all the way.
He speaks truth to the power.
I am proud to walk the earth at the same time as this man.

He is up there. Way up there.
Ghandi up there. Mandela up there.
MLK up there. FDR up there.
Lincoln up there.

He is the embodiment of a well principled man.

I hope fathers point Bernie to their sons and say:
There is a man among men. Emulate him and you will have a life well lived.

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If she were running against anyone else besides Bernie .... (Original Post) Hiraeth Mar 2016 OP
Too many Bernie supporters say it's done...Wake up and fight! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
Keep it Berning !! Throw another log on the fire !! Hiraeth Mar 2016 #2
I See Fire (Music Video) Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #8
I don't say it is over. I am down and probably others because it tells us LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #6
Don't faulter, that is what they want us to do. Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #9
I truly believe along with the MSM this primary is being stolen by HRC and the elite bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #12
Amen ... KPN Mar 2016 #28
Maybe I am a conspiracy nut but... pangaia Mar 2016 #30
Bernie supporters who matter for the outcome Helen Borg Mar 2016 #26
Even if the primary is "done", the revolution is just beginning Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 #34
If she was running against anyone other than Bernie I still wouldn't support her. jillan Mar 2016 #3
A person owes it to themselve to explore all options. Well informed voters are the best. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #4
Hillary will go back to being the same ole Hilllary once this is done..that is why Bernie bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #13
I still believe Bernie will win the nomination! And if he doesn't, I will write in his name anyhow! peacebird Mar 2016 #27
My 8 yr old son does a pretty good Bernie impersonation tk2kewl Mar 2016 #5
awesome Hiraeth Mar 2016 #15
he loves to say... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #16
Ha! I like this kid. How true is that! Hiraeth Mar 2016 #17
I wish I could rec this post, even if i don't say that a lot I mean it a lot Kalidurga Mar 2016 #18
thanks... tk2kewl Mar 2016 #19
Oh what a great day Kalidurga Mar 2016 #20
what a cutie pie! renate Mar 2016 #35
love both those pics. what a cute kid !! love his style Hiraeth Mar 2016 #40
Radical idea.... knixphan Mar 2016 #7
Facebank, too!! Hiraeth Mar 2016 #10
Wonderful Idea! Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #11
Absolutely! bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #14
I wish Sanders' character would rub off on Clinton. ananda Mar 2016 #21
She appears to be allergic to it. gcomeau Mar 2016 #22
IF Hillary was running against any other candidate LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #23
"Stand up, Miss Jean Louise. Your father's passin'." cadaverdog Mar 2016 #24
To Kill a Mockingbird Up there. Yes! Hiraeth Mar 2016 #45
Just sent another donation to Bernie! peacebird Mar 2016 #25
! thank you Hiraeth Mar 2016 #41
There have been rumors that she could be indicted in May notadmblnd Mar 2016 #29
... in_cog_ni_to Mar 2016 #37
Mostly right wing media sources that I won't post here notadmblnd Mar 2016 #39
Ooh...yeah, grain of salt and all that jazz. in_cog_ni_to Mar 2016 #46
beautifully stated! ellennelle Mar 2016 #31
thank you Hiraeth Mar 2016 #42
Bernie is staying in and so am I!! Duval Mar 2016 #32
Bernie Is Like Mandela billhicks76 Mar 2016 #33
Clinton is chamleon - like. Shape shifter. powerful. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #44
Why does everyone forget Hillary's tendency towards self-destruction? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #36
I Have not forgotten. But, yesterday (since I am from one of the Super Tuesday states) I needed to Hiraeth Mar 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author GusBob Mar 2016 #38

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
1. Too many Bernie supporters say it's done...Wake up and fight!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:26 AM
Mar 2016

He is not breaking his back for nothing...we need to work hard for the rest of the primary!

LiberalArkie

(15,713 posts)
6. I don't say it is over. I am down and probably others because it tells us
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

something about our country and our party not about Bernie. That is what is depressing.

I see a lot of people, I mean a lot of people who want us to have a racist facist nation and then a lot of people who really would like a corporate country. Both choices of rule by the .01%. Way more than a majority of our country want this.

I feel so out of touch with this country more so than as a kid in south Arkansas and not understanding the "colored" thing and why they were less than me as a white boy. Still can not wrap my head around it.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
12. I truly believe along with the MSM this primary is being stolen by HRC and the elite
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:01 PM
Mar 2016

corporate agenda. I know of many complaints in this primary of voting irregularities, not enough ballots, and other crooked stuff going on. She will win at any cost. Except the cost may be she loses.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
28. Amen ...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:53 PM
Mar 2016

and the followers; those who wrap themselves in the established system because it gives them a sense of security and belonging ... those who are afraid to really step out of their comfort zone. Oh, and of course the single issue folks who fail to see the forest for the trees.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
30. Maybe I am a conspiracy nut but...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:57 PM
Mar 2016

I very seriously doubt she won ILL and Missouri...ESPECIALLY if one adds in the MSM's disgraceful behavior.

Even on NPR, (well, don't get me started on that) yesterday afternoon driving home-- some show ALL trump. One "expert"guy just could NOT shut his mouth.... Sounded like his big break on national radio...

Today driving ---Diane Fucking Rehm show...--- trump... Hillary.. "Bernie can not win."
It was just sickening.


I have seen too much evil in politics and business and the monied to believe it for a minute---

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
26. Bernie supporters who matter for the outcome
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

Believe Bernie is not done and are redoubling their efforts.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
34. Even if the primary is "done", the revolution is just beginning
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mar 2016

Let's remember that. We're not in this to get this or that result out of 2016.

No matter who emerges in November as the president-elect, our work will not be done. It will be nice if it's Bernie; that will make our task easier in the short run. If not, we'll just have to work longer and harder in the short run.

The goals is to end neoliberalism, the false socioeconomic philosophy that the economic engine works best when government pampers the rich with tax cuts and deregulation because the are "job creators" and the masses are forced to live with austerity in bad times. Americans voted for that thirty-six years ago and it didn't work. Every president since then has made policy with the same neoliberal set of assumptions, and it still doesn't work. Neoliberalism has widened the income gap, shipped jobs overseas and given rise to what would called corporate crime except that the mad rush to deregulate everything virtually repealed laws against fraud.

Worse, neoliberalism posits a culture of corruption among the elites of business and government that make it very hard to purge. Few politicians aren't on the take and almost all corporate executives see that bribes paid out to politicians in the form of perfectly legal campaign contributions is just a cost of doing business. The shysters on the US Supreme Court say that there is no evidence that bribes paid out to politicians by corporate executives in the form of perfectly legal campaign contribution establishes a quid pro quo. Any honest and reasonable person would call that a crock of steer manure and simply assume that any politician receiving large amounts of money from corporate executives and board members in the form of perfectly legal campaign contributions -- or a perfectly legal large contribution to a family run charity foundation or perfectly legal exorbitant speaking fees -- is bought.

Some things were not changed by yesterday's election results. Neoliberalism is still an unsustainable socioeconomic model and Bernie Sanders is still the only presidential candidate seriously addressing what must be done about it. Senator Sanders has made it a theme of his campaign that a political revolution is what is needed to fix what is wrong with the current state of affairs. That what he says is still the truth didn't change yesterday, either.

We are still the man on the white horse we have been waiting for. Nobody else is. Those are not windmills before us, but monsters that must be subdued. Have courage. Ride forth boldly.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
3. If she was running against anyone other than Bernie I still wouldn't support her.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:32 AM
Mar 2016

I don't trust her, don't like her policies, don't like her condescending attitude, her regime change mindset, her ties to Monsanto, that she is for free trade & not fair trade, on and on.

I am going to start taking a closer look at Jill Stein.
If I'm going to throw my vote away, I might as well throw it away on someone that has the same beliefs as myself and not on someone that I do not support - just because she has a D after her name and definitely not because she is a woman.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
13. Hillary will go back to being the same ole Hilllary once this is done..that is why Bernie
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:02 PM
Mar 2016

is our best hope for change. We must continue to fight as it says on his site.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
27. I still believe Bernie will win the nomination! And if he doesn't, I will write in his name anyhow!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
18. I wish I could rec this post, even if i don't say that a lot I mean it a lot
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:33 PM
Mar 2016

Jackpineradicals.org lets you thank individual posts. I think that is way cool. Not as cool as your son, but it's up there on the cool factor.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
19. thanks...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:39 PM
Mar 2016

he's a great kid

here we are together at the Empire State Building last year


And at a Bernie march last month


Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
20. Oh what a great day
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

Makes me wish my kids were that age again. Well, almost. I have another little buddy to show the city to, Minneapolis not as big as the Big Apple which is why it's called the Mini Apple.

renate

(13,776 posts)
35. what a cutie pie!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:20 PM
Mar 2016

(I hope he's not too old for me to say that. I suppose I should have said what a good-looking young man... kids grow up so fast!)

It's so nice that you guys go to marches and things together. I have fond memories of doing that with my parents.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
40. love both those pics. what a cute kid !! love his style
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

way to go Dad. Parenting. you are doing it right!

ananda

(28,858 posts)
21. I wish Sanders' character would rub off on Clinton.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

But it really appears that she is totally imbued in
the corporate power structure.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
22. She appears to be allergic to it.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

Judging by how fast she ran in the opposite direction and started opposing all things progressive like Single Payer.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
23. IF Hillary was running against any other candidate
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

She would never have had to defend her corporate pandering, and paid speeches, or her Iraq War vote. It would have been a bland coronation with most candidates in the same big bought boat as herself.

I'm not saying its all over, but IF it is, I not only learned a great deal about this remarkable man Bernie Sanders, but I, and I think many Americans, learned a lot about Hillary Clinton. It is now clearer than ever just what kind of person we would be electing, and just how much bullshit we will have to wade through. It prepares us FDR traditional Democrats for the battle ahead.

Because Bernie opened a conversational door that Hillary will have a tough time closing. I can see it is in the Plan to forsake the liberal base of the Democratic party and woo the lost moderate/right old school Republicans instead to fill the gap left. She knows most liberals will vote for her as, if nothing else, the best of two evils. That the status quo is still better than a narcissistic fascist.

But now we are better armed at least. It is obvious she plans to move the country even further to the right than Obama. The Corporocracy will be complete. Net Neutrality will be the next big fight and I now do not expect the NEW Democratic regime to be on our side, as many of the starry eyed Hilary pushers may eventually be frustrated at how long it takes to get onto DU as the right wing new owners of the net squeeze left of center sites to a snails pace.

cadaverdog

(228 posts)
24. "Stand up, Miss Jean Louise. Your father's passin'."
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016

"There is a man among men. Emulate him and you will have a life well lived."

Well said.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
29. There have been rumors that she could be indicted in May
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:53 PM
Mar 2016

If that occurs, she will have to withdrawal from the race. So yes, I think Bernie should stay in as long as he can.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
39. Mostly right wing media sources that I won't post here
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:30 PM
Mar 2016

But you can google Hillary Clinton + possible indictment and links will come up.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
46. Ooh...yeah, grain of salt and all that jazz.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

They always say she's going to be indicted.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
32. Bernie is staying in and so am I!!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:06 PM
Mar 2016

All is not lost, although it may seem that way. And I sincerely hope that she doesn't win the nomination. There are 2 Bernie supporters here, and 4 grandkids (adults) who are hoping/donating/campaigning for Bernie!


 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
33. Bernie Is Like Mandela
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 02:14 PM
Mar 2016

What's the Hillary equivalent? Thatcher? Definitely not anyone who was for the people. She is for the corporations. It doesn't help much that she's a woman and that's very depressing. I hear the repubs want to run Condaleeza as 3rd party. That would backfire because would bring up 911 lies even if Clinton won't go there

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
43. I Have not forgotten. But, yesterday (since I am from one of the Super Tuesday states) I needed to
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

express myself. Clear my head. Get centered. Know what I mean.

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