Yes, they're back... and yes they're baiting people. Here's what you need to know...

[Bubzer]

Here are the key point:

-The absolute worst have been pardoned. Most of those were legitimate... but that doesn't matter apparently.

-Bernie supporters are being silenced at a time when pro Bernie states are coming up. We have far more supporters here than Hillary does, so naturally, this affects us disproportionately.

-They are baiting! Be very careful! If they can get a series of quick hides on you, they can put your account into FFR status (Flagged for review)... and if the admins don't like you, your account will never leave it. FFR is a way Her supporters can get you effectively tombstoned without an admin doing it.

-Understand what this really is... it's a move to strategically silence Bernie Supporters. There are those who will claim otherwise, but consider this; the admins refused to perform this very same act when Obama was the presumptive nominee in 2008. The double standard is glaring.

Be careful what you post and where you post it.

GO BERNIE!!!!

[djean111]

1. I just put them on ignore, right away.

No muss, no fuss, no little moue of distaste. There is absolutely no point whatsoever in reading their posts, much less arguing.

[Trajan]

4. Hear hear

Exactly ... my ignore list is burgeoning ...

It's all good ...

[Art_from_Ark]

37. I've tripled my Ignore list this month

And now that the hounds from hell have been released, I suspect I'll be adding even more names.

[royable]

84. After many years on DU, I had put two on my ignore list up until a week ago

and in the past week I've put 18 more on. I decided I just couldn't stand the meanness that is so contrary to what I consider a Democrat to be.

Oh, and I voted today for Bernie in AZ with my mail-in ballot.

[Art_from_Ark]

85. Thank you for your Bernie vote

I hope he wins your state.

[cannabis_flower]

101. I guess

I'm pretty careful about what I post. I have never had a post flagged that I know of. And if I have, I've never had a post removed. If you don't say anything that's over the top you shouldn't have any problem.

[melman]

89. I don't use ignore

because I think it's important to see the place as it really is. If they let trolls run wild it says a lot about what they want the site to be. Do I really want to be at a site where people that behave that way are the preferred members?

I don't ever donate but you don't have to give them money to make them money. Just being here does that. I'm not sure I feel good about helping them make money if they are going to endorse that kind of nastiness.

[Fairgo]

110. i've been contemplating the same

I came to talk with peers about facts. The site mostly offers colour commentary on rat fucking. Now that the money makers have reduced it to a PsyOps propaganda playhouse overrun by shills...In violation of their own rules. I feel used. You see they need the Bernie supporters as the straightman (please don't alert the term, it is not sexist or homophobic) to their vaudeville routine. The only thing that keeps me around is morbid curiousity at the moment. Looking for a reason to stay, but stench id getting quite off putting.

[bvar22]

117. If you want to "see" DU as it really is,

simply log on without automatically Logging In.
You won't be able to post, but can obtain a quick look.

[senz]

120. I do that when "My Posts" list jumps w/out a reply

to know what new stupid thing was said to me.

[dorkzilla]

2. Interestingly...

I've just found out that one of "ours" hasn't apparently been given the pardon that the others have. Curious, is it not? Selective enforcement?

[JonLeibowitz]

3. Is this a poster who was actually banned, or simply on timeout?

If the latter, that is indeed very curious.

[dorkzilla]

6. "under review"

He's been "under review" for 3 weeks. Supposed to be 24 hours. He's sent 2 polite but never acknowledged emails.

Also, if its a general amnesty, where the hell are Manny and Cali then?

[JonLeibowitz]

7. Cali is here. I saw her yesterday. I was so happy.

Manny was actually PPRed. Did that happen to any of the others who were released from the jailhouse?

EDIT: No, sorry, Cali is not here. I was very mistaken -- and I replied to a post from February 10 accidentally

[dorkzilla]

10. Edited title in response to edited thread :)

idk about other jailbirds but I'm going to see if I can find out. This is really bothering me. Very Undemocratic.

[floriduck]

48. I was released the day before the big pardon.

And I have no intention of thanking anyone for not doing me any favors.

I asked for the reasoning of the hide since one of my posts was just a clapping sign. After 2 requests for an explanation, and no response, I decided to bide my time and wait it out. What was amazing was the OP was about a well known poster who had his posting privileges temporarily timed out. And this "lady" sends me a private message of "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL". I just thanked her for proving my point with the applaud sign.

It is possible that those running this site have lost all control of it. It can't be easy with all the opposing ideologies floating around. So my criticism is sincere. But if I am timed out again, I am gone for good.

[DhhD]

121. I think many of us are backing away and staying away from some places entirely.

[Kittycat]

68. WTH happened to Cali?

Wtf?

[dorkzilla]

72. FFRd but I don't know what it was for

They've been Cali hunting for a while.

[polly7]

58. I was under review for over a week once. I'm sure I'd still be if I hadn't finally

pm'd Skinner to tell him to either ban me or take it off. Some really are more equal than others.

[dorkzilla]

66. I'm sure you're right

It's unnerving though. I'm assuming some people just truly want to be let back in and wouldn't want to risk taking that step.

[merrily]

27. Cali?

[dorkzilla]

29. Nope

Hifiguy.

[merrily]

34. Only 3 posts hidden in the last 90 days and flagged for review? Is that customary?

[dorkzilla]

43. I don't think so, and the review is only supposed to be 24 hours anyway

Very selective.

[merrily]

47. Any chance it's an oversight? Should we post in ATA?

[dorkzilla]

50. See response #48

Certainly sounds like it's intentional.

[pangaia]

77. Well the 'owner' is... supporting--- you know who.

[dorkzilla]

83. And it's so obvious, too.

Last edited Fri Mar 18, 2016, 08:24 AM - Edit history (2)

It's his site so he can do what he wants but it's turned into a decidedly undemocratic place. I was only lurking (albeit obsessively) back in 08 and it was bad, but I don't recall it being quite this bad.

I also have to chuckle at the fact that the among the current roster of pro-Clinton supporters are those who were exceedingly nasty about her the last go-round, so I've only my vivid imagination to try to reason out what caused such a profound change of heart.

[GoneFishin]

129. Different color pant suits?

[polly7]

133. Yeah, I noticed that too.

Going back and reading their posts filled with hate and contempt for her back then, and seeing just how perfect they see her now is hilarious.

I honestly think they believe they've fooled people.

They want their status quo ................. period. She's the one currently not threatening it.

[dorkzilla]

134. You know what would be hilarious?

Go back to their old posts, cut and paste them into a new ops and see how long it would take them to alert on themselves.

ETA- I just realized I replied to my own post...I meant to reply to Polly7. I don't need to come here to talk to myself.

[cui bono]

136. LOL!!!

omg... I actually might do that. I need to flame out of this place anyway. It's almost a complete waste of time. Except for some great posts and great people, but the bullshit on here is so thick these days and the admins suck.

.

[dorkzilla]

138. That would be epic!

And you know, most of the people who really love you are over at jpr anyway, so you wouldn't miss out too much. But don't go yet. We may not have a choice anyway soon enough.

[cui bono]

137. Yep, that's what it is. Last time it was two centrists battling it out.

Didn't really matter who won in terms of the big picture. But with Bernie in the race there's actually something at stake.

Interestingly, it really shows how nasty and unprincipled those supporters are for them to be able to turn the vitriol on and off at will. They must have very empty hearts and souls.

.

[840high]

90. Yes.

[senz]

111. Really?? WTF?

I am really sorry to hear that.

[dana_b]

5. you know, if we are TRULY not wanted here

by the admins, then they should just come out and tell us to take a fucking hike. I don't think silencing people, playing stupid childish games (alerts, stalking b.s.) and such is going to do them any good. I don't care so much about the Hillary people - they are who they are and I have 90% of them on ignore anyway.

But if the admins don't want us, then they should just tell us. And if the worse thing happens and they ban me...
Life, and my big fat mouth, will go on!!!

[dorkzilla]

8. membership money, I am assuming

I wanted to buy Valentine's hearts for people so they got more cash out of me.

If you're not on there, make sure you check into jackpineradicals.org. You'll see a lot of familiar faces!

[merrily]

38. membership rolls, too, I imagine.

[LiberalArkie]

9. They have to play a game that everything is open to all but trouble makers. Naturally the

definition is up for debate.

The best way to think of it is that we are poor black people in the south during the 50's. Everything is fine as long as we do not upset the man or go against their wishes (known or unknown).

[malokvale77]

65. I had to laugh at the latest admin announcement.

Skinner unleashed the dogs.

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[w0nderer]

11. i'm ok with being told to take a fucking hike

along with my fucking hike goes my fucking money, my fucking recommendation of this site and my fucking good reviews of this site

but hey...i'm a left leaning liberal, not a centrist or neo-dino so it shouldn't matter on a neo-centrist site...as this is becoming rapidly
(last 5 years) (i've been lurking unsigned since before 9/11 )

[dana_b]

12. sorry about my language

I just get irritated because there is lots of passive aggressiveness on the site and i would rather be told upfront - get lost - than game playing. Right now it seems like we're being slllloooowwwllyy pushed over to the side.

[w0nderer]

15. whoa you are appologizing to me about language?

i swear like the son of a marseille docker and a marine drill sargette (female sargant)


my hope largely is
bernie either kick ass and get it
or keep hill to the left of center....

and i agree
i'm ok with sub speak but i prefer up front


dana...i'd like you here fighting for B and even if he looses i'd like you here to keep H to the left of center at least...as far right as that center may be

my opinion
*drop mic for now*
damn....i fscked the cherry wood floor with that heavy a** pearl microphone!
oh well

[dana_b]

76. LOL... I love it

I really like this group but I'll have to say that IF she becomes the nominee, I can't see myself venturing out onto GD or GD-Presidential. It would FUCKING depress me!! lol...

a pearl mic?? Very nice..

[w0nderer]

79. *G*

*winks*
*nods to bartender to null ya tab*
*looks sadly at dent in floor* *shrugs* *walks off stage*

*bartender passes you a napkin...."if she becomes the nominee...we gotta keep her leaning left..that's our job--w"*

[demwing]

128. They don't want our voices

But they do want our page clicks and our donations

It's all about the Benjamins...

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Didn't Skinner's announcement yesterday say no one would be put in Timeout until the Primaries are

over? They're also coming up with new jury rules in a few weeks /month. I just got my FOURTH hide in 2 weeks to add to one from December, making it 5 and I'm still here.

BTW, all 4 of those hides were posted in here.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Bubzer]

16. FFRs are still in effect. Timeouts are completely different.

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Oh. how does a post get FFR?

I thought it was an automatic thing after so many hides. I guess I should brush up on the rule.

Or keep my big mouth shut.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Bubzer]

24. You're correct... it happens automatically after a series of very quick hides.

So, if a group of her supporters wants to get you FFR'ed, they could seek out a number of your posts, and alert them in quick succession. If successful, your account gets locked down and Flagged For Review. If you are a political adversary or just disliked by the admins, they can simply refuse to review your account, and voila... you're effectively banned.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. I see. That's what happened to me 2 weeks ago.

Two alerted posts locked one right after another. The second alert was bogus and is probably why they let me post again. Thanks for the info. I guess I better keep my posts innocuous. Sheesh.

I'm hoping the new jury rules stop this shit. Maybe limit how many alerts one peron has per day. And if you alert on a post that doesn't get locked you lose the right to alert or YOU get suspended. OR expose the NAME of the alerters!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[ALittleBirdie]

102. Same thing happened to me

After I posted my twelfth post my last 5 posts were alerted, almost instantaneously. Now I'm hesitant to post anything.

[in_cog_ni_to]

106. I know.

They're doing everything they can to silence us. Hopefully the new jury rules will deal with them and put an end to it. It's really ridiculous how threatened they are by TRUTH. They can't argue with facts, so they silence everyone who dares to speak the truth.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[senz]

112. As a new DUer, you have to be extremely careful

They have a rule where new posters who are considered "malicious intruders" can be kicked off quickly and easily. They are probably keeping an eye out for new Bernie posters and then getting rid of them as soon as possible. Your best bet, if you want to stay here, would be to stick around and make extremely innocuous comments on safer threads like the DU Lounge or GD (but be careful) and stay out of GDP where the vultures lie in waiting. Gather up a larger comment count and and a longer membership period.

I am sure they made those multiple alerts to set you up.

This whole thing is sickening.

[ALittleBirdie]

119. Thanks for your recommendations, I'll be careful

[peacebird]

99. Happened to me late last year, took almost 3 weeks for the 3 'day' review to happen

Have not donated since.

[Rebkeh]

14. It's as if they think the dominant candidate on DU will win the GE

That's not how it works.



I get that the internet is a factor, and places like DU can affect the narrative, but how much difference does it actually make anyway? It's not like anyone is on the fence at this point and recs are not actual votes. On Facebook or Twitter, I can understand because everyone is on them. But DU is largely politics nerds like us. I just don't understand the need to control DU to these extremes, to the point of silencing, baiting, vitriol and other toxicity. To what end? I don't get it.

What am I missing? Do they get paid for every FFR or tombstoned member or something? And that they are so outnumbered can't be good for DU overall, do they want to make DU their own private clubhouse?

If so, why not just create their own clubhouse? They can't co-opt DU when most members are Bernie supporters.

Maybe I'm overthinking this?? Maybe it's not rational at all.

[Bubzer]

17. It's an effort to depress the vote. Now more than ever, they need to convince people he cant win.

[Rebkeh]

23. So, to get us to not vote at all if we don't conform

They are deluded if that's the case. That game used to work, it won't anymore. It just makes people double down harder, people aren't uncomfortably numb, they are righteously mad. And the next GE is going to have even more millenials of voting age and even fewer boomers. The party has lost their damn mind.

It's a terrible tactic but ... Let 'em keep digging. It would behoove them to listen to their base but I'm not counting on it. That window is about to close. They are going to lose people permanently, many already have gone.

[malokvale77]

75. Spot on

The truth was told when the admins had to beg for donations to give the tech guy a Christmas bonus.

[Bubzer]

105. I cannot tell you how much it irked me that the a bonus was the selling point on that.

The average American doesn't get bonuses. Generally they're reserved for middle managers who the company wants to push certain metrics, and make life more difficult on everyone beneath them. Got no love for the bonus brokers... nor those accepting them.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. They already have their own clubhouse,

but it's more fun here getting Bernie supporters banned. HillaryClintonSupporters.com - a very special site - made especially for them by a DUer to go to - to plan and plot their DU moves of-the-day.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Rebkeh]

30. Seriously???

Why???

Who does that?

Trolls. Nevermind.

Kinda sad, actually.

[dorkzilla]

33. Heh...you should see their OTHER site

Looks like it was created by a vindictive 3rd grader.

[polly7]

63. LOL. Yes, it does.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1516925

[dorkzilla]

70. Even worse...have you seen

Jackassradicals? A parody of the pro-Bernie site. I don't want to link because I will have to go on there to satisfy my morbid curiosity. It's truly disturbing. Any site that pokes fun of Omaha Steve's disability and California Peggy just because is fucking sick.

[polly7]

73. Yes I have, and it is fucking sick. There are a lot of people who seem to

have lost their minds - just so much hate. I felt horrible for Steve and California Peggy as well as many others.

[malletgirl02]

126. You really should expose this beyond the Bernie Group on DU.

The media complains about the Bernie Bros, yet the media lets Hillary supporters get away with the crap you describe in your post. Someone needs to pull back the curtain and show what the Hillary supporters are actually about.

[coyote]

100. Wow, that was eye-opening.

[arikara]

114. That is vile

I'd heard of that site but I had no idea they were so sick.

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. Seriously.

It's sick.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[merrily]

31. It's odd. They post about how we are organized to get their posts hidden,

but the only evidence I have seen of that has been screen caps from hillarysupporters.com. If Bernie's supporters are organized to get the same poster hide after hide, or organized in any way, no one has included me in the plotting.

[dorkzilla]

39. And if we were going to organize, YOU of all people would know it

That's why I love JPR...It's all out in the open. Anyone may see what we're talking about. No plotting in caves. Plus most of us can't figure out how to PM each other so there's that.

[merrily]

42. ME of all people? LOL! Why me?

[dorkzilla]

49. Cause you're our hero and guiding light

If I was going to organize anything and needed someone smart and sane, I'd pull you in.

And then grab your ass.

[merrily]

51. I had no idea. I deny everything, including sanity.

But, you can grab my a$$ whenever you want! I don't know how we will explain it to our husbands, but we'll think of something.

[dorkzilla]

53. You're so sane it's a thing of beauty

I've seen you stay sane in the face of complete insanity. Mostly from me.

[merrily]

55. Aww, that's so nice! Part of my insanity is the diabolical ability to fake sanity.

Just so you don't get fooled.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Me either!

I feel left out!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[merrily]

44. Wanna form a Gang of Two Outcasts? GTO?

[in_cog_ni_to]

54. I'm in!

PEACE
LOVE
Bernie

[merrily]

57. Cool. What shall we plot and whom shall we plot against?

I'm new to this whole plotting thing.

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. Good question!

I've never alerted on anyone so I'm new to this sinister stuff too. Though I think you need secret web site rooms to coordinate the jury attacks?

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[merrily]

69. Good point. Plotting probably works better if you don't do it on the board.

I'm glad I teamed up with a thinker!

[Jim Lane]

97. Maybe you two could start by targeting the Gardening group, and work your way up.

Don't get into the more contentious areas until you have some "plotting" experience.

Yes, I went there.

[Ned_Devine]

45. Yuck! Why did I have to go and look at that site?! My eyes are burning!

[merrily]

52. they hid the worst stuff after people started posting screen caps here.

Now, you have to know the secret handshake to see it.

What got posted here sure wasn't pretty though.

[Art_from_Ark]

78. Those secret handshakes can be pretty tricky to master

[merrily]

80. At least one Bernie supporter managed it. Not sure how. Don't really care.

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. Just lovely,

Isn't it? I remember the days when DUers were banned from here if they posted negative stuff about DUers or DU on other forums. Apparently that's not the case anymore.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Bjornsdotter]

86. I remember

...in fact I mentioned just that in a different thread.

[disillusioned73]

107. Interesting..

hmmm

[malletgirl02]

125. This really needs exposure beyond the Bernie Group on DU.

I think you need to expose this. For better or worst Bernie supporters actions are in the open while Hillary supporters have secret groups. If they are going to call us Bernie Bros, we might as well do something to earn it. If the media is going to talk about the Bernie Bros, they need to talk about the Hillarybots for balance.

[in_cog_ni_to]

127. It was exposed in GDP the day the site went live.

It was discussed and antisemitic comments from their site were shared here for everyone to witness. You could probably find the threads by searching the site name in DU search above.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[malletgirl02]

130. I was referring to media exposure.

I was actually trying to say that it needed media, I apologize for being unclear. If the media is going to complain about the Bernie Bros, they need to put the same focus on the Hillarybots.

[in_cog_ni_to]

132. The corrupt corporate owned MSM doesn't care what the Clinton camp does...they are shills

for Clinton. Their corporate owners Viacom, Comcast, Time Warner, Walt Disney, etc...want Bernie destroyed. They're the corporations who will have their tax loopholes closed and they are the corporations who buy congress and favors. They have ordered their network talking heads to blackout Bernie and to get Clinton elected.

They don't care about Clinton corruption because they themselves are corrupt....it's all one big happy 1% family.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[senz]

113. For some reason they really do want to force their candidate through.

I don't know what their reasons are. We know she does not uphold Democratic values. We know she has serious problems with honesty and integrity. We know she's tight with Wall Street and the establishment loves her.

Here's what I think:

They want to force her though for some pro-corporate, anti-democratic ideological reason OR they are dead set in stopping Bernie in his tracks -- again, for pro-corporate, anti-democratic ideological reasons.

Either way, I'm pretty sure they represent the TPTB and we know those powers do not uphold the people.

I think the Reagan coup is almost complete. They want to complete it and have it over with.

Given Bernie's popularity with the people, any prominent website that appears to favor him could be a threat. So they need to shut us up one way or another.

Just my opinion.

[Rebkeh]

115. I hadn't thought of that

Seems unlikely to me but hell, I've seen crazier things than that. You may be right.

[senz]

116. It seems unlikely to you that Hillary represents the establishment?

Seriously??

And I'm not talking about the Democratic establishment (as if that were the big deal.) I'm talking about the big oligarchic establishment that runs this country. You know: the oligarchy that Bernie talks about in every speech?

You don't think this figures into it?

[riderinthestorm]

122. Skinner's wife is working for Hillary's campaign

and Skinner has been doing web support for her campaign.

Ka-Ching!

[senz]

123. So, probably this "amnesty" thing is part of a larger scheme

to advance Hill's candidacy.

They might want a few of us around to make it look "Democratic" and "fair," but we will most likely become extremely disadvantaged at some point and should probably make plans to vacate.

At that point, I would want to know which Democratic websites might work best for advancing a candidate's primary chances through the commenting system.

[riderinthestorm]

124. Skinner has been unabashedly for Clinton since she announced

it helps though to realize his family's livelihood is completely dependent on her winning.

DU is a business. They need conflict to drive up page views so opening the jail doors for HRC supporters is good bu$ine$$ since it assures greater conflict/page views.

It's also good for advancing Hillary's campaign...

I'm slowly mastering JPR's system. They're the only solid alternative now.

[Impedimentus]

18. I'm too old and crotchety to give a damn about being banned, especially because of ...

the complaints of a hive of weasily DU Clinton trolls.

I received a "hide" a few days again for a perfectly innocuous post that wasn't to flattering to Hillary. The "jury" was a joke. I guess I'm supposed to be crying my eyes out over -20 points.

Anyway, my ignore list is growing like a healthy weed.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[Ned_Devine]

46. I got a hide for calling someone that was being a douche a "douche"

[merrily]

60. Dude, name calling is almost a guarantied hide.

[Ned_Devine]

71. I know :)

[merrily]

74. As long as you know what you're doing.

[Impedimentus]

61. I was punished for asking if anyone thought a certain candidate might punish a certain senator for

not declaring support for that certain candidate. Nothing even close to including any offensive language !!!

Kangaroo court

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[MisterP]

109. I think what happens is that they take messageboards as a model for life

they play with the model instead of getting out into meatspace, and just assume that that counts as acting in reality

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. they all have 0% next to 'chance of being on a jury'

When you check their profiles

[Bubzer]

28. True. But have you noticed the absurd number of zombie accounts that have become active?

It takes very little to create a new account, and use it for alerting and various other abusive tactics.

[Hydra]

91. The number of recs their posts have been getting went up by 2-3x recently

I suspect they are socking to stack juries and to increase the visibility of their stuff.

Who has the time for all of that?

[Bubzer]

93. I'de say somone getting paid to shill would have plenty of time for that sort of thing.

[malletgirl02]

95. The irony of that is

they accuse Bernie supporters of having no lives, but Hillary supporters are stacking juries, Bernie supports don't have time for that.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

20. yes yes yes - just got burned - harmless joke about "florida man " voting for hillary

silly people

[Depaysement]

22. Yes, they are back

And my tiny ignore list is growing rapidly.

[Impedimentus]

26. Sprouting like mushrooms after a spring rain

And it's so much fun to have the POWER.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

[Depaysement]

36. +1

[Jackilope]

41. This scene came to mind when you mentioned baiters that are back.

One admits trolling and baiting, have been adding more to Ignore.

[peacebird]

56. Interesting. I had not put 2+2 together. Of course DU wants the Hills folks back to shout us down

This is why I no longer donate to DU. Been here for over a dozen years, always donated. This year I didn't even buy hearts at valentines.

[alcina]

88. I wanted the star so I had a better chance of being on juries

but I also didn't want to give them any money. So I donated $1. And due to a little Paypal confusion, that was $1 Canadian!

[Kittycat]

62. Put them on ignore or deflect it.

Example...

••• I know it's hard to believe •••

That Bernie came from so far behind, and is doing so great. I'm thrilled that he is out there re-engerizing so many voters that haven't been heard by our party leaders in a long time. Even better, he's engaging with new voters, when the DNC wasn't even interested in saving Democratic Party seats.

So I say, Bernie running for President is great for the party, it's great for us, and great for the democratic cause as a whole. For far too long our party has had to pull right, and beg at the corporate trough, because our base has widdled away. He's proving to everyone that we don't have to do that. Imagine if Hillary would have engaged her base or decided to have a straight forward converstion and make some changes vs More of the same. Really, imagine what a great place our party would be in right now. Such a shame.

Anyway... Instead of beating us up with sticks, how about considering some of the great things that are going to be possible now. Especially since Bernie and supporters like us are in it all the way. The republicans aren't looking so hot right now my friend, wouldn't you agree? We're sitting over here with millions of mobilized and energetic supporters on a mission for serious change in this country. And donors? We have donors. Each one of us has a vested interest with boots on the ground. $27 freaking dollars, can you believe it? They're freaking out! And all they have is a ticking time bomb. We're they're worst nightmare. LOL. This is going to be fantastic. Front row seats to the destruction of the Republican Party.

Care for some Popcorn?

[deathrind]

64. Good advice but,

Better advice is to not get personal, stay professional and stick to facts. This can be difficult because emotions have a strong influence.

Emotionally posting is every bit as dangerous as an emotional argument (words are like bullets, once said you cannot take it back). It is often better to step away and take a deep breath instead of saying or posting something you might end up regretting.

[Jenny_92808]

81. I won't be baited by them

because I got fed up and full-ignored them ALL (that I could find). I went to their domain and went though every post in every thread (30 pages of threads) and full-ignored them all. It took a while but I think it was a worthwhile investment.

Ignore is your friend.

[Duckhunter935]

82. Very true

And now they can post more vile attacks with no consequences.

[Ned_Devine]

87. HRC supporters remind me of the prosecution team from "Making a Murderer"

I've been trying to figure out what they made me think of and that is exactly it. If you saw it, you know how frustrating it was to watch them work and lie and manipulate. That is the exact behavior of the HRC supporters that are doing the baiting. It's funny, because I think of this as a community. I can actually imagine having real life in person conversations with most of you in this group even though it is likely never going to actually take place. With them, I couldn't even imagine it. It gives me a sick feeling in my stomach like I'm choosing the less enlightened path by even feeling the emotions of anger I feel when I read their posts. Whatever the case, I'm really proud of all of you here for keeping this thing we've got going alive. It's a real movement as long as we allow it to be

[Hydra]

92. DU will probably crack in half by the time the GE comes

They are going to work to get us all banned...and then no one will come here, including Team Hill.

I wonder what Skinner will do at that point.

[Change has come]

94. Take the delicious stacks of DNC money!

[eridani]

96. By the numbers

Sanders group
Number of subscribers: 958
Number of people trashing: 163
Number banned: 293
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 3.26

Clinton group
Number of subscribers: 365
Number of people trashing: 302
Number banned: 728
Ratio of subscribers to banned: 0.50

[Viva_La_Revolution]

108. that is great data!

Thx

[Jim Lane]

98. Also remember to use your jury blacklist. No reason not to fill it up.

On the bright side, Skinner has clarified in ATA that each hide in the past 90 days is still -20% to the member's chance of being picked for a juror. One of the new revenants is at -80% net, i.e., even after the bonuses for activity, so there's no reason to waste a slot on him, at least for a while. There are, however, notable hotheads who have high jury percentages.

I don't blacklist people for being Clinton supporters. There are some active Clinton supporters whom I'd welcome on a jury, because I think they'd make a sincere effort to be fair. The ones who do not meet that description, however, are still too numerous for my blacklist to accommodate, so I have to make some tough choices.

[JackInGreen]

103. Already have most of those folks on ignore

Engaging in dialogue is pointless.

[Shadowflash]

104. I'm here if and until HRC gets the nom.

If Sanders gets it, I'm sticking around but if HRC gets it, I'm gone. They have made it very clear that there will be no dissension, and I just don't think I could stomach Hillary Underground.

So, at this point, I'm not that concerned with whether I get a 'time out' or PPRed, I'm probably not long for this site, anyway.

[Dont call me Shirley]

118. The game is all about VOTER SUPPPRESSION!

[Depaysement]

131. Reading this thread reminds me of something

It takes a village to bait and plot.

They are jealous. Bernie supporters are smarter, nicer, sexier and more fun!

[Donkees]

135. ...and are better dancers :)

[cui bono]

139. The timing is pretty obvious.

Just as we're about to come up to states where Sanders is expected to do well.

The admins on this site have absolutely no objectivity. It's shameful and it's why I won't donate every again. I did find it amusing that Skinner was to scared to put up the donation scale this last time around. At least he knows people are beginning to see how biased and poorly run the site is.

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