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Chezboo

(230 posts)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 03:32 AM Apr 2016

UPDATE: ***URGENT Action Required*** NEW YORK voters

Last edited Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)

Update originally posted at GDP:

It was upsetting to wake up to accusations of lying and deceit on my part in this op. After reading the condemnations this morning, I did check the fb link I posted and saw that it was not identical to what I posted (although they made some overnight edits to their original version as well), so I've gone back to try and piece together how this mess happened.

I copied a post shared by Sane Progressive( https://www.facebook.com/saneprogressive/?fref=ts )
by Stewart McCauley‎ to Documenting Democratic Primary Election Fraud: 2016 (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1649941911932852/), see top of original post. There were other sites posting this info and requesting it be broadcasted especially due to critical reaction time, one being the subreddit, Sanders for President. I checked a couple other sites to make sure the party handling the action, contacts and other information was all the same. In my rush to get this info out, I did not notice the body of the copied post from McCauley contained Bernie content that the linked post above did not. As a Bernie supporter he may have changed it to post on Bernie forums but in any event, that was the post I copied - not altered. That was a big oversight on my part, which I do apologize for, but it was not done to misinform, be deceitful or misrepresent. My objective was to bring attention to registration problems in NY (and elsewhere) to protect the vote. There does seem to be switching and other problems heavily affecting a certain direction, but I am only addressing the accusations of altering, misrepresenting, lying, deceiving, manipulation... here. Add to that, I noticed at the Voters whose registration was changed without their knowledge in NY fb page, https://www.facebook.com/groups/518955314959236/525242040997230/
an update linking to the "official landing page and announcement" link, so I just posted it at the bottom of the op for what I thought was further useful information, not as a link to the op, so that's how that link got there - and caused more confusion. I am not new at DU, but I am new at posting here. I did make a mistake, but it was unintended and again, I apologize. This is also my second attempt at clarifying what happened, as I accidentally deleted the first one, so I also apologize if it's overly confusing, but I've spent enough time on this already. With that, I am going to add the correct announcement below and will crosspost this at the Bernie forum as well:



EMERGENCY!
NEW YORK voters and ALL concerned with the outcome of the 2016 Presidential Primaries! Please read the following:
- An initial survey in New York, in which voters were asked to double-check their registrations, found that 50% (HALF) of the registrations had had their party affiliation SWITCHED without their knowledge or consent. That means there are potentially thousands of voters who registered won't be allowed to vote next week.
- We at Election Justice USA (ElectionJusticeUSA.org) are filing an emergency injunction to address this issue. Whether due to a clerical or technical error, these issues MUST be addressed before April 19th.
- HELP by checking your New York voter registration @ canivote.org.If anything is amiss, fill out our secure form @ ElectionJusticeUSA.org.
- WHETHER YOU ARE IN NY OR ELSEWHERE, please spread this message far and wide! Share this post on your personal page! Share it in all groups you belong to! Ensure that every last friend and family member in New York state checks their voter registration and reports any odd findings via our form @ ElectionJusticeUSA.org.
- If this legal battle is successful, democracy will have a fighting chance in New York.
For Our Democracy,
Election Justice USA | ElectionJusticeUSA.org

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cross posted from another thread.

Stewart McCauley‎ to Documenting Democratic Primary Election Fraud: 2016

EMERGENCY! BERNIE NEEDS OUR HELP!

NEW YORK voters and ALL concerned with the outcome of the 2016 presidential primaries! Please read the following:

-An initial survey in New York, in which voters were asked to double-check their registrations, found that 50% (HALF!) of Bernie Sanders supporters' registrations had been SWITCHED from Democrat to independent without their knowledge or consent. That means there are potentially thousands of Bernie supporters who registered as Dem before the deadline but won't be allowed to vote next week.

-We at Election Justice USA are filing an emergency injunction to address this issue. Whether due to a clerical or technical error, these issues MUST be addressed before April 19th.

-HELP BERNIE by checking your New York voter registration @ canivote.org. If anything is amiss, fill out our secure form @ ElectionJusticeUSA.org. Then, send a description of your issue to help@berniesanders.com, and mention that you filled out the form on our website.

-REGARDLESS of whether you are in New York or not, we need to spread this message far and wide! Share this post on your personal page! Share it in all groups you belong to! Ensure that every last friend and family member in New York state checks their voter registration and reports any odd findings via our form @ ElectionJusticeUSA.org.

-If this legal battle is successful, Bernie will have a fighting chance in New York.

For Our Democracy,
Election Justice USA | ElectionJusticeUSA.org

Official landing page and announcement http://electionjusticeusa.org on FB https://www.facebook.com/ElectionJusticeUSA/

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UPDATE: ***URGENT Action Required*** NEW YORK voters (Original Post) Chezboo Apr 2016 OP
Didn't This Exact Same Switching Happen In Another State?.... global1 Apr 2016 #1
Yes it did, you can catch up on a great deal of information on this posters warning it's xposted Dragonfli Apr 2016 #4
Now That We Learned That The Exact Same Thing Is Happening Again In The NY Primary.... global1 Apr 2016 #5
I honestly don't know, perhaps an investigation including a database audit by the FBI prior to then? Dragonfli Apr 2016 #7
I Believe I Read Here On DU That A Malicious Sort To A Spreadsheet... global1 Apr 2016 #9
The dates down to to the very minute are kept as metadata on all file changes, including edits Dragonfli Apr 2016 #10
So Are You Saying Such A Thing Can't Happen Or ..... global1 Apr 2016 #12
I am saying that changes are marked and those markers are attached to the file in an embedded and Dragonfli Apr 2016 #13
multiple states. it happened in multiple states. magical thyme Apr 2016 #17
It's been reported in NY, PA and CA - Chezboo Apr 2016 #19
K&R nenagh Apr 2016 #2
Considering all the bullshit that's happened the last few elections EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #3
K&R 1,000x! NEW YORKERS, CHECK YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #6
CHECK AGAIN!!! mhatrw Apr 2016 #8
Sorry to take away from the alert, but I am curious how is this being done? davidpdx Apr 2016 #11
K&R Thank for posting Mbrow Apr 2016 #14
If this turns out to be an act of malice, I'll wager that DWS Snarkoleptic Apr 2016 #15
K&R for needed exposure /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #16
kick /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #18

global1

(25,253 posts)
1. Didn't This Exact Same Switching Happen In Another State?....
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:17 AM
Apr 2016

If it happened in one state I might accept that it was a mistake or clerical error. But happening again is more than a coincidence. What's the saying "there are no coincidences"?

Someone is screwing with this and whomever it is needs to be outed and brought to justice.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
4. Yes it did, you can catch up on a great deal of information on this posters warning it's xposted
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:36 AM
Apr 2016

from GDP, unfortunately, it was swamped mercilessly by hill bot disruptors and is thus much obscured due to so much interference in between and surrounding the relevant bits, so it needs to be discussed here as well, especially here in fact we need to keep it kicked.

GDP XPost link

To answer your initial question:

51. It looks like Arizona was a trial run, a victim of this happening to a staffer of one of the officials

was heard spoken of on tape during the the interviews that were about long lines and such when this was also brought up and also as many here I am sure remember, the Arizona SoS admitted that it had happened to many others as well.

But, being a Republican run election, I doubt any investigation was launched, after all why should they care if we hand them the least electable in the GE election as we all know Clinton is? With such horrible favorable numbers second only in negatives to trump, extremely high numbers regarding dishonesty, and doing quite poorly compared to sanders in every head to head poll done yet against their candidates? They wouldn't naturally.

One hopes New York is no Arizona regarding not caring or investigating not only this, but other forms of election fraud and voter disenfranchisement.

This may even be a Republican election fraud scheme to get a chance to run against the one candidate they would unite together again to vote against, rather than just reflexively thinking this is just more DNC shenanigan as has been a regular occurrence, giving Hillary an edge at every opportunity (this fact causes the reaction), but it may actually be Republicans committing this new computer affiliation changing scheme, I would be curious to see if Trump affiliations were changed from Republican in their closed primaries.

global1

(25,253 posts)
5. Now That We Learned That The Exact Same Thing Is Happening Again In The NY Primary....
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:45 AM
Apr 2016

can't something be done to stop and correct it before the 19th?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
7. I honestly don't know, perhaps an investigation including a database audit by the FBI prior to then?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:54 AM
Apr 2016

Investigations take too long, but if one has already been started due to this happening in other States, maybe a judge can issue a warrant allowing big time experts from an appropriate agency that know how to spot and track changes to data on a database can be issued in time, to have them corrected and changed back, or the election postponed until it is fixed and proper primary voting rights can be restored.

I wish I could say more, but it doesn't look good, time wise, or even inclination wise, regarding a corrupt system that affects all those that might have the power to investigate or fix such election fraud issues.

global1

(25,253 posts)
9. I Believe I Read Here On DU That A Malicious Sort To A Spreadsheet...
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:13 AM
Apr 2016

of voter info could cause this problem. Essentially intentionally mixing the voter registration designations with the voter. I'm no computer wiz - but I've made an honest mistake like that when working with data on Excel.

Knowing what I did wrong when working on a spreadsheet unintentionally I can see where someone with malicious intentions can really jumble up data if they wanted to.

Fortunately when I made the data sorting mistake I caught it and clicked on undo. Somebody intentionally wanting to mess with data would just hit save. Then somebody else looking at the data would never catch it.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
10. The dates down to to the very minute are kept as metadata on all file changes, including edits
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:26 AM
Apr 2016

AND the file save afterwards, there are experts that can look into this kind of data that then could be compared to any justifiable reasons to make a change or a save at the time they occurred. I hope that makes you feel somewhat reassured.

Right click on your spreadsheet file next time and look at "properties" a small portion of such metadata can even be seen that way.

global1

(25,253 posts)
12. So Are You Saying Such A Thing Can't Happen Or .....
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:32 AM
Apr 2016

if it was maliciously tampered with - it could be found out and corrected?

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
13. I am saying that changes are marked and those markers are attached to the file in an embedded and
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 06:10 AM
Apr 2016

obscure way, so there is a record of potential tampering available under most circumstances that is visible to really good computer geeks, so it is possible to identify such fraud using this invisible to the normal user, meta information kept on changes to a file.

It is not cut and dry however, a computer guru of extreme talent , planning, training and foresight given the time, can alter even such embedded information (but that, unlike the file content changes regarding mere entries like changes or deletions of registration line items themselves) - are much much harder to alter, not being mere entries but attached to the fie in a much deeper way.

So it is possible to "leave no trace", but only if done buy someone with huge ability and knowledge of such things (the equals of the NSA and FBI experts that do computer forensics for a living, can sometimes, erase the evidence of changes)

it is a battle of skill between the hacker and the skilled computer investigator in those much more sophisticated hacks. If the fraud was done by a simple employee with access who changes data rather that a very highly skilled hacker, they are toast under such an investigation. A battle of skill between a gifted hacker and a trained computer expert investigator could go either way depending on skill level.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
3. Considering all the bullshit that's happened the last few elections
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:26 AM
Apr 2016

It's safe to say that US Democracy is a sham and a joke.

Honestly..

Between candidates winning states and not getting any delegates, candidates not learning that they'd been screwed out of a delegate - even though their opponent knew, endless voters not having reasonable access to polls, messed up voter ID laws, thousands of flipped voter party IDs in multiple status, media malfeasance, endless dirty tricks, etc etc etc.

American Democracy is utterly broken.

The outcome of this election - whomever wins - will have a giant asterisk next to their name in history books.

What a joke.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
6. K&R 1,000x! NEW YORKERS, CHECK YOUR VOTER REGISTRATION!
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 04:47 AM
Apr 2016

Don't find yourself on election day when you find that your voter registration has been changed and you can't vote!

Be wise! Be smart! CHECK IT NOW!

And contact this group if you find a problem!

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
11. Sorry to take away from the alert, but I am curious how is this being done?
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:28 AM
Apr 2016

Can anyone tell me? If it is it would lead me to believe that Sanders is going to lose big.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
15. If this turns out to be an act of malice, I'll wager that DWS
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 08:15 AM
Apr 2016

and her Democratic voter database were instrumental in pulling this off.

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