Is Hillary Clinton really assuming that people with college debt are going to get jobs magically!!?

[Baobab]

or twenty years down the line that thats okay?

FAIL- Hillary- here is the problem- All the experts are telling us that by midcentury, the job as we know it will be extremely rare- and long before that computers will do most jobs- So, if experts in automation and computing technology are right and Hillary is wrong, its a disaster to leave students with debt because a great many of them will never get the money she is assuming they will have to pay it back.

[Politicalboi]

1. Oh don't worry

Bill has all kinds of odd jobs for women lined up I'm sure. He has binders full of them.

[roguevalley]

13. Her daughter did

[LiberalArkie]

2. With HRC's plan the students will need to be in vo-tech for training as plumbers or

electricians or steelworkers something that will be here. Technical jobs at a desk, nope those will India or somewhere where they educate people.

[Baobab]

3. The number of those jobs will be VASTLY INADEQUATE to make even a small dent

in the problem.

They are creating disaster after disaster for this country and somebody would have to be an idiot not to see it.

[LiberalArkie]

4. Yea, I know, but they are about the only secure jobs we can seem to have any more.

I have kids ask me what to do, I just have to tell them if you work with your hands and get dirty, you know it won't be sent over seas. The days of being in IT or computers are gone unless you install them or repair them. But with the way things are built these days not many will be needed for that.

Our only hope is to tax the crap on work done overseas.

[Baobab]

6. To track the news on that use the phrase "cross border data flows"

nt

[JDPriestly]

14. The problem with that solution is that people who work with their hands have to have people

who have jobs at which they earn decent incomes to pay them.

If we have an economy in which the part of the middle class who are now doing white-collar jobs are out of work or have retrained to work with their hands, who is going to pay adequate wages to people who work with their hands.

We have to have an industrial base or a social support network or bar outsourcing and importing or at least control the outsourcing and importing so that there is a demand for working people here. The alternative is that we become a third-world economy.

We could reduce the work week to say 30 hours and make overtime pay a much higher multiple of base pay than it now is, but just learning to work with your hands will only temporarily solve the greater societal problem.

Basically, free trade is impoverishing our economy. A willingness to work hard, a good education, working with your hands, working with your mind, it all boils down to the combination of technology and free trade changing the economy and reality of work.

We may not need as many workers in the future as we do now.

Environmental problems and trying to deal with the demand for energy worldwide may prove to be big issues in the future too.

[Hydra]

5. I'm put in mind of a quote from The Devil's Advocate

"Buy futures, sell futures...when there is no future!"

[Baobab]

7. Should people "self delete' when there are no jobs?

When virtually everybody "is worthless"?

[Hydra]

8. That's certainly what they suggested I do at the time

I've just been dead lucky the last few years- any time before that when I couldn't find work, people were happy to tell me that I was taking up space.

Now, I just laugh- the best slave gets the last job?

[Baobab]

9. Did you know that for a long time in the UK, only the unemployed could vote?

Guess why!

The answer will surprise you.

[Hydra]

10. If it was an older rule, I'd have to guess conflict of interest?

You're going to vote for whoever is going to sweeten the pot for your industry.

[Baobab]

11. Basically the argument was that working people would just vote for whatever their boss told them to

(so they didn't deserve the precious vote, according to the rule.)

[Hydra]

12. Woo! Rights for working people!

I'd think that was weird, but I've heard stories from here about people who were given money as "bonuses" by their corp bosses and told to donate them to a particular candidate. Or else. I think that's in the same vein.