(Bernie Sanders Group)This video, and ones like it, will destroy Hillary, if she's the nominee.

[Bubzer]

They've amassed a mountain of attacks for her. This video just scratches the surface. The video it makes no accusations... it just details the facts. And the implied and logical connections are damming.

[hollysmom]

1. I don't we are supposed to bring republican videos here

I realize we should be able to discuss the dangers of the election and that Clinton is a very damaged candidate, but I don't know, guess I am confused. off to read the TOS again.

[angstlessk]

4. He is saying the repubs will show this...

It shows the ammo they will use against her.

[hollysmom]

5. I realize it, but I just voted on a jury about an anti-sanders video, that was produced by who knows

I am tired of this damn election. so it is time I go read the pet group again for my mental health.

[Phlem]

7. Find a freaking hobby then. No one is forcing you to be here.

[hollysmom]

14. as the southerners say, Bless your heart.

[Skink]

54. Post some Kittehs

[hollysmom]

56. ah, I enjoy Kittehs but post my doggies.

[Phlem]

6. OMFG.

you just don't fugging get it do you.

[Bubzer]

10. I posted this video from an anymous website:

http://anonhq.com/hillary-camp/

If there are republican fingerprints on this video, I don't see them... and more to the point, I haven't found anything in this video that is untrue.

[hollysmom]

17. I agree, I just really have to read the rules for myself, that is all

I think we have to discuss republican points if you want to win an election and as I said Clinton is a very flawed candidate, without the thumb on the scale in this election she would have been left in the dust.

[Bubzer]

22. Many of the points brought up in the video are issues Dems have with her.

I disagree with this notion of "republican points"... there are legitimate issues, and there is propaganda... facts are neither republican, nor democratic (even if facts usually have a liberal bias). So, to have the Hillary supporters denounce something as being a RW talking point is a quick and easy way to delegitimize reasonable issues people have with her.

More often than not, when a Hillary supporter makes the claim that -insert argument here- is a RW smear, and I research the topic in question, about 75% of the time, there is real substance to what they're trying to dismiss.

Calling this video a RW video could be a legitimate claim were it from a RW source... and in that case, extra scrutiny is warranted. But, the source I was able to find is apolitical...or perhaps more accurately, all inclusive... meaning lots of people dislike Hillary, regardless of which side of the isle they're on... and they have legitimate cause.

Anyway, I'll make you the same offer I made further down the thread; if you find the source of the video to be a verifiably RW source, I will absolutely take down the video.

[hollysmom]

36. thanks for the offer, but I would rather p[lay witht he dog than look for it,.

Like I said I don't disagree with the points, I just need to remind myself of the rules. I have been posting on messageboards for decades, heh, before the internet actually on private servers, but here I somehow feel the need to keep rereading the rules, I am a rebel that is an obsessive rule reader. what can I say.
Do you think I should delete my post?

[Bubzer]

40. No. I encourage free thought. And if I really am in the wrong, I want to know about it.

Could be a fellow Bernie supporter may stumble across something I didn't see, and share it. Unlike many Hillary supporters, I try to not let my emotional reactions rule me... I try to keep a rational mind on things... so if someone can reasonably point out a fallacy in my thinking, then I need to give it due consideration and see if perhaps I need to make an adjustment.

[virgogal]

2. Yowza !

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. Oh Please, Vince Foster, Travelgate ...... Snooze.......................

If you are going shoot at least use dry powder.

[angstlessk]

11. WE say snooze, but the repubs will not

The repubs STILL think the Clintons did away with Foster...they HATE Hillary for no good reason other than they were Democrats in the White House!

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. You figure that republicans who would care about this baloney don't already have it all memorized?

If you can stand it, spend an hour or two with fox news and you will be treated to that and more every day of the week.

[angstlessk]

18. What is your problem?

I am a Bernie supporter, that does not automatically make me a Hillary hater...

Not sure what you are getting at?

You think we should not be prepared to answer the repubs ammo against Hillary?

[hollysmom]

13. don't dismiss this lightly, have you talked to people outside of your circle of friends?

I dropped by to visit my niece and a bunch of her 20 something friends were over to help her move (I was the box bringer) They hate Hillary, with a passion, I was shocked at the depth of their feelings, they are basically democratic, not very politically involved, they just know all this propaganda, they heard it over and over growing up, what really shocked me was when I asked if they would vote for Trump or Clinton, they said Trump.

I also live in a conservative town in an extremely liberal county and state, so my friends and neighbors in this town tend to be weirdly extreme. One friend is pure tea party, and she said she was not thrilled with the republicans, she actually said she would vote for Sanders because he would save social security, but never ever Clinton, most likely Trump. When I asked why she said Benghazi! e-mail! whitewater! Just saying.

ask around get a feel for your area. Don't talk to mature democrats but to the young and to the opposite party.

[The_Casual_Observer]

32. You figure if they see this garbage it's going to make those 20 something know nothings hate Hillary

even more? They wouldn't have the patience to sit though 20 minutes of that nonsense.

[hollysmom]

37. no it won't make they hate Hillary, they already do.

I don't think anything can make them vote for her.

[The_Casual_Observer]

38. Well then maybe they will have their wish and Trump will be elected. They are too young or stupid

to know how bad things get when a maniac is elected. Maybe we will get a refresher course. This happened in 2000.

[hollysmom]

39. is insulting them going to get Clinton elected?

I see a lot of slamming them instead of trying to bring them into the fold. I think that is the stupidest idea ever. they are good kids, not stupid, but inexperienced. Why tell them their problems they are boy crazy or going to hell? why call them ignorant when you could go with inexperienced?

[DhhD]

55. They know that Boko Haram had a free reign in Africa as ignored by the US State Department.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/07/hillary-s-state-department-refused-to-brand-boko-haram-as-terrorists.html

Hundreds of school girls were kidnapped at school and most just disappeared and were lost forever to slavery. Students remember that. On the other hand, Michelle Obama, ran the Bring Back Our Girls Campaign, that was VERY popular at colleges and high school throught out America.


Hillary wanted students to work part time. It takes student 8 years to get a Degree if they have to work. Students knew she was totally unaware and out of touch with reality on college life for poor students. Food pantries have been going strong for colleges and universities for several years now.

[floriduck]

8. The Hillary a Group tried this sort of crap earlier and it was hidden.

I was pleased to see how many sane Hillary people wanted it taken down. I suggest you delete this now. It's not appropriate as its what right wingers will do.

[Bubzer]

16. I'll make a deal with you... if you can find somthing that shows this video as being unequivically

from a republican source, I'll take it down. When I looked, all I could find were a number of sites that had a cross spectrum dislike for Hillary. That's not enough for me to buy off that it's from a republican source. More over, as I stated before, nothing in the video is untrue.

[Phlem]

25. +1

[demmiblue]

29. OK. Here are some pictures from their facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/nohillaryin2016/photos/a.656551084357868.1073741827.656545884358388/1188498631163108/?type=3

https://www.facebook.com/nohillaryin2016/photos/a.656551084357868.1073741827.656545884358388/1175825099097128/?type=3

https://www.facebook.com/nohillaryin2016/photos/a.656551084357868.1073741827.656545884358388/1169788023034169/?type=3


I would say that this is clearly from a right-wing source.

[Bubzer]

41. I can see where you might think so. I dont see it as cut and dried as you.

Quote #1

"Myself, I look forward to electing our first female President....but not this criminal. I don't want to elect a woman simply because she's a woman, it needs to be legitimate,...it needs to be what's best for the country.

Electing a President based solely on gender would be just as stupid as electing a junior Senator with absolutely no experience...based solely on race."

I don't know any RW'ers looking forward to a woman president... or who are this rational.

https://www.facebook.com/nohillaryin2016/photos/a.656551084357868.1073741827.656545884358388/1175825099097128/?type=3&theater

Quote #2

"It's a common sense page. A page that promotes fiscal responsibility, and respect for the constitution."

Hillary supporters are not right wingers... and they believe Bernie's tax proposals and expenditures are unrealistic. So I don't buy this as being a RW position. I certainly disagree with it, but that doesn't automatically make it RW.

Add in the number of obvious Bernie supporters on the page, and the smattering of other views, I think it's a largely independent page.

[demmiblue]

43. You asked about the source.

The source, I will NOT vote for Hillary in 2016, is right-wing AEB some of their photos.

Those are the types of photos that right-wingers post.

Whether or not the other people posting on that page are right, left or center is another story.

We will just have to agree to disagree, I guess.


Edit: here is some more or their bigotry/racism, homophobia and sexism (I only looked briefly earlier):

[Bubzer]

45. The quotes I posted were from the page owner... not other people. Food for thought.

[demmiblue]

51. 1) Plenty of righties would vote for a Carly Fiorina or a Sarah Palin.

The second part of the first quote is a slam on Obama.

2) "Fiscal responsibility" and "respect for the constitution" are basic giveaways that one is dealing with a winger. This one is a rabid one.

[Bubzer]

53. No. The second one is in direct response to the image with Hillary and Bernie... not of Obama.

Very few righties would vote for a Carly Fiorina or a Sarah Palin. There's a reason neither of them are in high office right now... but even were we to accept your claim at face value, neither Carly Fiorina or Sarah Palin were mentioned... or anyone else for that matter... so claiming the poster was suggesting a righty is nothing but conjecture. We do know, however, that most republicans would not agree with a woman for president... that's a decidedly liberal/democratic concept.

[840high]

52. +2

[Bubzer]

27. As an aside... the video that was hidden there is back up:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=111178

[floriduck]

46. Did you also read the responses. Most were against it. Just sayin'

[Bubzer]

48. And yet it's still up. I guess it wasn't "most" enough.

It's also worth noting that it netted 23 likes... not insubstantial for the Hillary group.

[floriduck]

49. You're going to do what you're going to do.

I gave my opinion but you have a different one. So be it. Let's not waste each other's time anymore.

Go Bernie!

[Bubzer]

50. Onward and upward!

[polichick]

9. Bill's female accusers were audited? That's pretty low...

Had forgotten a lot of these scandals - wish the Clintons would take their ill-gotten gains and ride off into the sunset already!

[Fritz Walter]

12. The GOTP would never disseminate a video like this!

But their PACs sure would!

Whether there's any validity to these claims or not, they cast a very dark shadow over the former First Lady.

[angstlessk]

20. Yes, they hated the Clintons from the day they won the election.

Carter was the last Democratic president and they (the repubs) thought they would run the country for 100 years, till the unknown Rhodes scholar!

[Rebkeh]

19. Sorry but no

The only one that can destroy Hillary is Hillary.

That's how it works.

[Bubzer]

31. I suspect the FBI has a pretty good shot at it.

[MissDeeds]

21. It's ugly and objectionable

but is exactly the kind of thing that will be used in the general election if (god forbid) Hillary is the nominee. The Republicans have been gathering dirt on her for years, and unfortunately she has given them plenty of it. What goes around comes around, Hill. You reap what you sow.

[Bubzer]

24. It's also the sort of thing the average voter will devour, and accept as true.

[tularetom]

26. For those who are hyperventilating about this video, everything it states is factual

It never makes the claim that either Clinton has been convicted of any felony, but it does outline the many accusations, investigations and embarrassments that the Clintons have caused in a quarter century in the spotlight.

Yeah, its a little bit overblown, with dramatic music and scary voice inflection, which leads me to assume that it may have been produced by someone with an axe to grind with the Clintons. Once again however, everything in the video, happened. You may not like it, but a lot of questionable, even illegal shit went down and these people were at the epicenter of it. Its a powerful message to any Democrats who may be wobbly in their support of the Secretary, and its definitely a deal breaker for all neutral moderate or independent voters who watch it.

It won't have much impact on Republicans. They already hate her guts and wouldn't vote for her for dogcatcher.

[Rebkeh]

28. Even if its factual, it won't stick

That's the problem, attacks on her don't work. They haven't worked since she was first lady.

As voters we absolutely should talk about her record, discuss issues, her readiness to be president, her policies, positions, values, character and so on. But trying to destroy her is a waste of valuable energy, energy better spent on the alternative to her. In this case, Bernie.

[Bubzer]

30. I think you're missing the thrust of the OP.

I'm not presenting this video as an attack on Hillary... I'm using it to illustrate a point.

There's tons of evidence that negative attacks work... particularly ones that incorporate a grain of truth.
This one, in particular, is insidious, because it just states the facts and invites the viewer to draw their own conclusions.

That and considering Hillary's extremely low favorability scores, more people would be willing to accept negative stories about her...legitimate or otherwise.

My primary point being if Hillary win's, it's almost impossible for Hillary to win the GE. It's a reason to work harder to get Bernie Nominated!

[The_Casual_Observer]

33. Chances are that Bernie isn't going to get nominated.

[Bubzer]

34. Bernie has always had an uphill battle for the nomination... but that still not the point.

[The_Casual_Observer]

35. What's the point then, is this supposed to help Bernie somehow?

What's the upside to this?

[Bubzer]

42. The main thrust is to show what we'll have to contend with should Bernie not win.

The republicans will have a very strong hand against her...and will very likely win. She would energize them to want to fight... and dems would not be energized to fight for her. I'm not saying there IS an upside to it... I'm saying if we want to avoid having to deal with it, we need to get Bernie nominated.

[The_Casual_Observer]

44. I suppose that they will go pretty easy on Bernie

Of course Bernie could fight back with a whole lot more of his 99%er populist rants, after all it worked so well to get John Q public to rally for the 99%er demonstrators didn't it?

[Bubzer]

47. Ehh? Your sounding more like a Hillary supporter. Are you in the right group?

You do understand this group is for those who support Bernie right?