At Philadelphia, win or lose, will we see the launch of a permanent Bernie organization?

[Ken Burch]

That is, a continuing long-term mass movement that will fight on for political, social and economic democracy?

Since we'll have at least 1300 to 1400 convention delegates at a bare minimum. plus a large number of grassroots wellwishers, that would be a good use of the week.

Has anyone else heard talk about this?

[Schema Thing]

1. That seems for the best. If the GOP has imploded, and the DNC/Hillary won't

take on Oligarchy (because it works well - for them)....


.....Then why should the Center Left be left, pardon the pun, w/o decent representation. I'm saying if there is a vacuum to be filled, why leave it to be filled with whatever can rise from the ashes of the GOP? Why rehabilitate -even through inaction - the political Right; when that "2nd party" space is better filled from the Left?

[oldandhappy]

2. I want to encourage this!!

Talk talk, please.

I want us to see the launch an on-going movement incorporating the issues in every Bernie speech. I want to see something formed that will continue what has been happening. There are many ways to pressure the system. Please.

We need to find and support down ticket candidates at the local and state levels. We need to support and encourage the alternative media that has grown in this election cycle. We need to keep talking about voter suppression and election manipulations. We need to groom new national leadership to learn from Bernie and keep all of us going.

We need to challenge the DNC on covert manipulations, money, control. And we need to help people understand that their vote is both important and will possibly be usurped. I an in CA. On May 1st we vote for those who will be delegates for Sanders and clinton at the national convention. Each candidate running to be a delegate will be ranked according to the number of votes they get in their district. they run specifically to be delegates for clinton or for Saunders.

Then in June we have our primary. Each of the two national candidates will receive votes in each district. The delegate candidates will be allocated according to the votes in each district. Then the delegates go to the national convention.

Our statewide vote count will probably be honest but there seem to be lots of manipulations in other states so I am cautious in saying that. Already there are some registration hiccups. People need to understand how the vote at the national convention is already the result of several previous votes.

Sorry, I kind of went off there. Yes. I want to see a permanent movement!

[Ken Burch]

3. We could have our own mass meeting somewhere during the week.

It shouldn't be about launching a third-party ticket for the fall(and about doing our own distinct work for down-ticket candidates and initiatives), but about setting up a continuing organizational presence and also about POC outreach and social justice/economic justice intersectionality(which might be easier after the nom is in, anyway).

We should draft some kind of a manifesto for the future, as well, and arrange to have a YouTube feed of whatever we do.

[oldandhappy]

7. yes! A lot of work ahead of us.

You said it well. I agree.

Hello out there!!! Who knows how to approach this? Who can help??

[TIME TO PANIC]

4. We need to show up to the convention by the masses!

I mean in numbers they've never seen before!

[oldandhappy]

8. Philly is expensive and the rooms will be gone. Maybe a mass meeting near by

and a one-day demo in Philly? Wilmington, Delaware? We need bus lines and trains to pull it off. And reasonable room rates and a gathering place. Smile. Seems like a lot. But I do not know how to do it. So hope others will jump in here.

[lsewpershad]

5. Long overdue

[bvf]

6. I'm in. n/t

[SoapBox]

9. Me too...

I'm in.

[eridani]

10. There are already a lot of Sanders Dems running for office

There should be some way to make this support base permanent.

[greymouse]

11. I'm not in Phil, rather RI, but count me in.

This needs to be as strong a structure as the Tea Party. If they can just about take over the Republican party, we can take over and replace the corrupt Democratic party that now exists.

We need some Internet meeting place to coordinate, as if Bernie does not get the nomination, much more talk about this and we will be thrown off DU. Is jackpine radicals the place?

[davidpdx]

12. I would like to see a long-term mass movement out of this as it is needed

President Obama tried to do the same after winning in 2008 and 2012 and had mixed luck with it.

[Ken Burch]

16. As I recall, Rahm and the 1%er wing of the admin basically talked Obama into ending the movement.

It was taken out of the game as a mass thing almost immediate after the votes were in in '08.

OFA exists now largely as a website and nothing else.

[davidpdx]

17. It has been pretty benign true

I have to wonder if the Clintons would try to kill off anything that derailed their third way corportist agenda.

[LongTomH]

13. There will be a PEACEFUL march outside the convention

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280183268

I hope the march organizers will be coordinating with the Bernie delegates inside the convention.

[Jim Lane]

14. I'm against launching yet another organization.

There are many, many existing organizations into which people can channel their energy. A well-established one is the Democratic Socialists of America. There are others that are outgrowths of the Dean and Kucinich campaigns.

We could do with some consolidation, not further proliferation.

[Jack Rabbit]

15. I hope so

I belong to the party of the New Deal, progressive civil rights legislation and opposition to imperialist wars in Vietnam and Iraq.. I believe in an open, inclusive and just society. I believe in egalitarianism at home and abroad, and that slavery and imperialism are the two greatest crimes against humanity. I believe that human beings are made of flesh and blood, not legal documents, and that corporate personhood is a legal principle limited to business law, where its best use is to allow common people to take a corporation to court for damages to a small farmer's property, extortion, fraud and other acts of wrongdoing. Those are traditional Democratic values. The Third Way believes that government should be partner in crime to America's unworthy elites.

The establishment of the Democratic Party does not seem willing to give us a place at the table, although Bernie has won eight out of the last ten contests. It is the establishment that does not represent the values of the Democratic Party. A Democrat does not ship Americans' jobs overseas. A Democrat does not put Social Security or medicare on the bargaining table. A Democrat strives for universal healthcare for all Americans. A Democrat does not suggest that she would be willing to compromise on a woman's right to choose to terminate her pregnancy or anybody's right to vote. A Democrat puts an end to NSA spying, A Democrat does not embrace the criminal deregulation of Wall Street banks, does not take bribes for them and prosecutes the likes of Legs Dimon or Pretty Boy Lloyd.

The Republican party is dying of its own stubborn puritanism, its outdated crony capitalism and it vicious bigotry against about 65% of the American people. We have no long term fear of harm from that rotting body that is almost a corpse. What we fear is a faction of our own party that embraces corruption and crony capitalism and eschews democracy. A house divided against it slef cannot stand. Following this coming election, a decision must be made about the future of the Democratic Party.

If Hillary Clinton, Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Jon Cowan want to read us FDR Democrats out of the party, let us tell them that they do so at their own peril and let them know that they shall be responsible for any unpleasantness that rises from a permanent split. In the mean time, let us be prepared to rebuild the Democratic Party apart from this rotten shell that remains from the hostile takeover of the party by Al From and the Clintons. We shall make room for our future and the future of all Americans, with ot without the Third Way.

If this fate can be avoided, fine and well. That is up to the Third Way interlopers. If not, let us make the most of it.