I hope everyone understands that these results tonight cannot possibly be real. **UPDATE**

[FourScore]

After this election, I will no longer vote. I will no longer participate. I realize now that it doesn't matter. Democracy is dead.

There is no way that Hillary could have won Montana and South Dakota. Even her own team is shocked by those results.

Now she is winning CA with 62%. That is impossible. And we all know it.

***UPDATE*** CNN has announced she just won the pledged delegate vote. That's what this was all about. Now it CANNOT be contested. I'm done.

[NV Whino]

1. Each county in CA I'd approximately 60/30

That's kind of weird. Always. 60/30 split?

[FourScore]

12. I just posted something about that.

Apparently, it's the mail-in vote again!!! Just like in AZ. Ya know, cause people who mail it in really love Hillary!! And her team is really aggressive getting those mail-in ballots!!

[JDPriestly]

39. People in nursing homes and older people can mail in their ballots.

I use mail-in ballot.

[FourScore]

43. I find it statistically impossible that almost every county went 63-37 for Hillary

with the mail-in ballots.

I don't have a problem with the mail-ins per se. I have a problem with these numbers.

[Stevepol]

61. Until every vote is VERIFIED, these kinds of results will continue

to be the rule. Sort of like Alvin Greene winning the SC Dem primary with about 65% of the vote. Rather odd since nobody knew Greene from Adam. He never lifted a finger to campaign, paid for no yard signs, posters, decals. Nothing. He also had a pretty serious criminal record I believe. His opponent was a popular Dem and campaigned considerably to make sure of the results.

Where paper was used in the voting (hand-counted paper ballots), that is, absentee ballots, early voting, etc., the presumptive candidate won by about 65%. Where voting machines were used, Greene scored a smashing victory.

What would a 10-year-old kid conclude from these results?

Well if that 10-year-old were a member of the Dem party of SC, he would conclude that it was not worth the trouble to have a new election using paper ballots hand-counted. Democracy be damned. Too much trouble.

This is the problem and nobody in the higher echelons of the Dem Party gives a damn. Nobody.

[amborin]

2. The CA polls had Bernie ahead of HRC just a day ago

she was on the verge of a humiliating defeat; hence, the evil tactic that threw the election, combined with chaos in California

(where the SoS, Padilla, posed for photo ops at her CA campaign headquarters on several occasions with a sign saying CA for HRC)

[TexasBushwhacker]

9. I does seem odd

I can see why Hill's supporters might stay home since she is the presumed nominee, but I would think Berners would still show up at the polls.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

13. It's beyond odd... democracy is dead!

[Shemp Howard]

32. The AP call helped Hillary.

People naturally want to be associated with a winner. So I think the AP call for Hillary would motivate Hillary supporters to vote. Then they can say yes, I voted for the winner!

And the AP call would discourage Sanders supporters. People abandon a sinking ship. They don't make any special effort to stay on board.

This thing is rigged, and it stinks. I'm writing Bernie in come November.

[FourScore]

57. The exit polls show an 16% discrepancy.

Sanders supporters showed up. I think they had AP call it so they could blame the discrepancy on something unprovable - like Sanders supporters didn't show up.

[JudyM]

64. I believe this was well planned and market-researched. They wouldn't take a gamble like this unless

they had good odds on the the result they wanted. Based on many hours speaking with Californians, Bernie had a huge surge particularly in the last few days before the election.

The Clintons canceled their NJ trip to do about 30 appearances in the last few days, a very heavy schedule, because they knew they were in trouble... Consistent polling at near-tie that greatly undersampled younger cell phone users. She knew she wasn't just going to lose narrowly, that's why they both had to hit CA with everything they had. Because a big loss would have killed her narrative and secured Bernie's.

Many PhD theses will be written about this, for years to come, and she and the press will be seen for what they are.

[FourScore]

14. I hope you don't really think that a staged photo with establishment politicians

is what caused this. It's rigged.

[amborin]

22. not the photo shot

but what is implies

[TDale313]

27. SoS (the one running the election) is a huge Clinton fan

That's the point

[FourScore]

29. Oh! I get it now. D'uh!

It's been a long, hard night.

[AllTooEasy]

34. Bullshit: you didn't say a thing when Sanders won IN and MI

Sanders was down just before the IN and MI primaries. In the end, he won to the shock of everyone. Where were your calls of voter fraud?

Plus the latest RCP polls had Clinton up right before the CA primary. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html

ND uses the causes/bullshit system. SD is a primary. One could calll all of Bernie's caucus victories into question.

Lastly, Hillary has been pulling away from Bernie in the national polls since April: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

This is why I consider myself a Bernie Voter, and not a Bernie Supporter. Bernie makes sense! His supporters???

[FourScore]

56. Actually, when I learned of the exit poll discrepancy, I did say something. n/t

[nc4bo]

3. Something's wrong. Hope the TrustVote lawsuit gets to the bottom of it. nt

[Hydra]

4. That was my first reaction

But this is why I vote, and the conclusion I hope everyone reaches:

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

[findrskeep]

5. Thinking the same thing...

there is something very suspicious about those numbers.

[Califonz]

6. Californians seem to love a famous name, regardless of the monster using it...

California gave us Nixon (veep for 8 years), Reagan (ex-movie star and governor)... thank god Arnold was born in Austria or he'd have won the White House by now.

[New Earth]

7. TYT keeps saying

CA is most likely counting early voting ballots first and it should even out later. They also said, if not, it's def not good and extremely odd.

[FourScore]

16. But isn't it weird that every county has the same percentage of 63-37?

And they are ALL for Hillary?

[Voice for Peace]

19. it's very weird and maybe there is somebody who knows what to do about it

I do not trust them and her win is a joke.

[JDPriestly]

38. I will be watching the numbers in my area because I have canvassed

here and walked down the street in Bernie tee shirts here and the support for Bernie is really strong. We shall see.

[AmBlue]

8. But they had to be sure she "clinched."

Now we know how they could call it yesterday.

[findrskeep]

11. Yep, their plan is to finish him

off once and for all tonight. And not a second later.

[restorefreedom]

10. this whole thing is fucked. i'm out.

can't do it anymore. the young ones will have to decide whether to fight this.

the only hope left is that the fbi does the right thing. but they won't.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

15. This is no time to retreat! There's too much at stake!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[FourScore]

20. It's over. n/t

[Gregorian]

46. Warren is establishment. Don't let her "progressive" exterior fool you.

I wanted to vote for her, but she never made it out of my probationary period. Now I know why. It takes some research, but some of her votes, along with her support for Hillary speak for itself.

I won't vote for her if Warren is part of it or not.

[BlindTiresias]

78. This was it.

it is over.

[FourScore]

18. No. I don't think they can now.

When I saw the post about the State Dept holding the emails between Hillary and her aides for 75 years...the fix is in.

[nc4bo]

21. +1 nt

[CrispyQ]

63. Agreed.

After she gets the nom, what do you bet a tape/vid of one of her speeches gets out. She has a ton of baggage & I hope she can carry it to the White House, cuz I'm not going to help her. The thought of Bill negotiating trade agreements . . .

[Voice for Peace]

17. unless it's that BErnie voters were effectively disenfranchised by the AP-HRC teamwork

Seemed designed to depress turnout from Sanders voters... I see a lawsuit in their future.

[FourScore]

23. That's why they did it. They WANT to use that as the reason.

I guarantee it! That's what they'll be saying tomorrow. "It's because of the AP call."

But think about it - Why would Hillary voters show up and not Bernie voters? That makes no sense.

[amborin]

25. because

it's elating if you hear your horse has won and deflating to hear it has lost

news like that deflates and depresses

that's how it suppresses turnout

whereas if you're told your horse has won, you're ebullient, energized, and you get out and vote

i felt depressed today and so did many others; and canvassing was down today compared to what it had been

[FourScore]

31. How do you explain the mail-ins? Which happened before the announcement.

The AP report had nothing to do with this.

[amborin]

36. doesn't she typically get the early mail-in voters?

they are typically older and more affluent....

bottom line: idk other than that the day before yesterday even the LA Times reported that current polling showed a dead heat until Bernie had actually pulled ahead of her

[FourScore]

60. Isn't it strange that there can be up to a 30% swing between the mail in vote that she gets

and the polling place for for Bernie? Over and over. Always in her favor. How is this happening?

[KPN]

49. Oh you delusional conspiracy theorist you!

How could anyone be that Machiavellian?

[amborin]

24. last evening

people were asking me if they should still vote

i asked them what they meant and they said the media said she had already won the nomination

not all Bernie supporters are connected to social media or reliable sources of truth and accuracy

a lot of people get their info from the M$M and are swayed by it

[marlakay]

26. I had to beg my daughter to vote

She heard Hillary won.

Also as of now Bernie is ahead in Montana...

[HooptieWagon]

30. I would say that Sanders supporters are probably more tuned in online than Hillary supporters.

That was how his campaign was built, after all. Clinton supporters more likely to only get news from M$M, in my estimation.

Very odd that each county has an identical result. Given the canceling of exit polls, the premature declaration of Clinton victory, and all the other usual DNC shenanigans I'd say there's a solid likelyhood the CA primary was rigged when Sanders started to gain in the polls. Too much $ in the corporate gravy train at stake to take the chance that Sanders might win.

[Voice for Peace]

69. I think a lawsuit in this case is really justified. I am not big on lawsuits in general

but this one is so blatant.

[peace13]

28. But, the mail in votes wouldn't have been influenced by the ap funny business.

[KPN]

50. No, the AP funny business served to distract from the mail in "influence".

Just the opposite. Well played by the Clinton camp for sure.

[FourScore]

59. Wasn't it in AZ that the mail in vote also took that state?

There was one other state where it was a big deal.

[felix_numinous]

33. It's all those COUNTLESS invisible HRC supporters

who would rather stay home and support her in secret--that's the thing everything is done in secret, untraceable and unproven. It is the new democratic way.

[emulatorloo]

51. Everyone's vote is secret. Absentee ballots aren't "untraceable and unproven."

Voters have to request absentee ballots, there is a record of those requests.

[Chezboo]

74. There were CA voters who went to their polling stations to vote

and were told they had already voted by mail.

[k8conant]

35. I was just thinking that someone threw in

about 500,000 "seed votes" for Hillary to start.

[JDPriestly]

37. Hillary is not winning California by 62%.

We need to find out how many provisional ballots were required today in Los Angeles County in California. It was incredible.

Some of the voters who had registered and were shown as registered on-line were not listed on the printed sheets of voters at the polls.

Voters who registered decline-to-state and were shown on the lists as registered in that party designation are supposed to be able to vote in the Democratic primary. But they were being given pink, provisional ballots that will not be counted for 21 days.

I spoke to a woman who said she voted Democratic for 29 years and discovered today that she was registered as either Libertarian or Green and was not allowed to vote.

Lots of mistakes. It was similar to the kind of disenfranchisement and shenanigans that have gone on coincidentally (?) to the detriment of Bernie voters in state after state.

Is the DNC and are its pawns really that worried about Bernie?

I did not believe these stories about voter disenfranchisement by the Democratic machine until I saw it myself today in local polling places.

It was in most cases not the fault of the poll workers although one poll worker appeared to be demanding that voters go home and get their sample ballots (which she collected neatly in a stack) before they could receive real ballots. Maybe she was checking addresses of voters who claimed to be registered but were not listed in the polls. I have no idea.

But it was chaos, and with that kind of chaos comes disenfranchisement and discouragement of voters.

[amborin]

40. this explains a lot:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3166572/bernie-sanders-erased-hillary-clintons-15-point-lead-in-california-and-could-be-headed-to-a-bigger-coup-there-is-evidence-that-clintons-nervous-superdelegates-are-ready-to-jump-ship/

it had to be prevented

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. HORRIBLE! EVIL!

[amborin]

42. Greg Palast Special Bulletin on California Fraud:

http://www.gregpalast.com/california-stolen-sanders-right-nowspecial-bulletin-greg-palast/

[rhett o rick]

44. This needs an OP.

[amborin]

68. made it an OP; think in GDP

[panader0]

47. Yes, please make tis an OP.

[bvar22]

58. As a cred reminder,

Greg Palast was the investigative journalist who was instrumental in uncovering the election fraud in Florida, 2000.

[disillusioned73]

66. WOW, WOW... WOW...

That is some f*cked up shit right there... WOW

[Gregorian]

45. Sleepwalkers did not win California.

I'm not even stunned or shocked. It's all happening as expected.

But it's not believable. I've lived here 60 years, and I know CA did not go to Crooked Clinton.

So the system won't allow participation, and it's time to try something else. I hope they don't force people into revolution. But if that's what it takes, so be it.

Any time a candidate wins while lawsuits are being filed with election fraud evidence, the results cannot be trustworthy.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

48. And ALL the counties showed the same split?

63/37? All of them, the same percentages? That's so ridiculous, you'd think the planners would have prepared something more believable.

[Gregorian]

62. Blanche! It's so good to hear from you.

I don't know what is going to happen with this forum. I'm not inclined to spend time here. But seeing your post reminds me of how special this forum is to me.

Hugs.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

65. Awwwww!!!

Hi Gregorian!

I hadn't been around DU much for a while...

Hugs!!!

[tblue37]

52. I am a Bernie supporter. I just checked out a county results map for CA

after reading this thread, because if the results were as similar among all the counties as several posters below describe, then that would be irrefutable evidence of rigging.

But the counties did not all have the same split between Hillary and Bernie. Here is a link to the map. You can check the percentages yourself.

http://graphics.latimes.com/election-2016-california-results/

[FourScore]

55. When the polls closed last night, all the mail-in ballots were immediately posted by county.

They were ALL 63-37 or 62-38 for Hillary. EVERY county (except about 5-7 counties that apparently had no mail-in ballots or they weren't posted, and those are counties Bernie won). Every one of them. That's how the election began. A private company did the exit polls and said there is a 16%!!! discrepancy between the exit polls and final results. Exit polls have always been the strongest indicator of election fraud.

I wish I had video taped it last night, because other than those first few minutes of the election results, there is no way to separate them out. I'd like to explore this further county by county. The election was stolen. I'm sorry, but it was.

[kathysart_decoration]

54. I'm with you on this

I confess I have been thinking about this all night till I fell asleep and all morning, off and on. I agree with you 100%. Something odd happened with these results and I really don't need anyone to tell me to get over it. It has been said before, but I will say it again, I will not abide any Hillary supporter getting angry and complaining about the Republicans stealing elections. Get ready for it because it will be happening, especially with Trump's Mafia ties. Either you really care about these things or you decide not to when it favors your candidate. I hate saying this, but I am deleting cable news channels from my TV, especially MSNBC and I will rarely be checking in on DU, which I have been doing religiously every single morning for many years. I just haven't, yet, figured out what my game plan is. I hate hypocrisy and I see it all over the place on DU. Get ready for war and all the other things we supposedly hate as progressives. If I had the $ and ability to do it, I would go to Washington for the coronation of Hillary, if that is what happens, and turn my back on her just as people did with George W.
I am sorry, but, there is no damn way the coronation of Hillary two nights ago was just a coincidence in that it happened the night before some very important primaries, especially in California. Smart people cannot possibly believe Hillary's crew was not involved in making that happen. Because that is the thinking on this site, I have to extremely limit my visiting here and I will certainly not participate in any juries, as I have in the past - when asked. I don't understand who you people are anymore.
If folks don't realize that Bernie Sanders was the only real Democrat running in this race, then all hope is lost - for now.

Hillary has 4 years to get it right because after that we can gear up for the fight to unseat her from her throne. If I am still alive I will be on the front lines of that fight.

[mhatrw]

67. First they canceled the exit polls. Then they declared the race over. Then they released

the "voting results" that fit their narrative as our Demopublican Overlords.

[Major Hogwash]

72. They cancelled the exit polls?

How can they do that?
I thought exit polls were conducted by voting rights groups and media outlets.

Jaysus, what a charade!!

[pokerfan]

77. The networks canceled exit polling a month ago

for the remainder of the primary:

http://ballot-access.org/2016/05/06/tv-networks-cancel-plans-for-exit-polls-for-remaining-presidential-primaries/

[pokerfan]

75. banana republic bullshit

and I don't mean the clothing store. Forget oligarchy. Oligrachs are usually fine with the appearance of an open election because they own all the candidates. This is kleptocracy at its most brazen.

[-none]

76. Now we know why they were acting as if Hillary won months ago.

They knew because the DNC..., The 3rd Way, had their fix in from the start.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

70. This thread is very illuminating!

I voted for Bernie by mail a couple of weeks ago, so wasn't privy to any polling place shenanigans. But watched the returns until 2 a.m. If I'm not mistaken, HRC was ahead by roughly 400,000 votes from the very beginning and stayed there.

Fresno County returns really bothered me. Bernie hit that area hard and went to cities no politician had ever visited before. He got consistently enormous, enthusiastic crowds. Don't tell me they all stayed home! Same thing in South Dakota.

Somebody gave the order to the AP: Call it after Puerto Rico.

I think it's our job now to communicate with Bernie's campaign: FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT. So much positive hangs in the balance for him, and so much negative for HRC.

[senz]

71. I feel like I'm reliving the 2000 & 2004 elections

Even the bit about the counts being off by the same amount in different localities -- which of course is computer hacking -- same code, same algorithm. I remember people going through Florida results county by county.

And I think about the Clintons' closeness with the Bushes.

I don't think I've ever witnessed a dirtier politician than Hillary. Just, everything. And now this.

But FourScore, if you're going to give up, do it for a few days and then come back. There need to be a lot of witnesses, a lot of people aware of what has happened.

Also, this is not a good website for exploring this subject. JPR would be a better site.

[farleftlib]

73. IKR

It's like deja vu all over again. When they pulled it off in 00 and 04 I knew it wouldn't be
the last time. The Dem leadership didn't bat an eye and I knew that it would happen again.
HRC is (to me) every bit the nightmare GWB was: grandiose, unethical, mean-spirited. I
could go on and on but that pretty much sums it up.