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QC

(26,371 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:53 PM Jun 2016

Should We Petition Skinner to Close the Sanders Group?

Posted without any commentary on my part just to get a sense of the members' take on the issue.


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Should We Petition Skinner to Close the Sanders Group? (Original Post) QC Jun 2016 OP
I would think it will be closed automatically next week Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #1
If it is closed, I'd like to see us open a critique and continuation group in its place Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
Why would you want to stay here and do that? They DONT want to hear it onecaliberal Jun 2016 #26
Just look at the results of the poll. There are 217 replies at this writing, and all of them are Cal33 Jul 2016 #75
Don't do that LiberalElite Jun 2016 #39
Take the blue pill. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2016 #51
I don't see that happening. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #63
I like this idea: call it "Bernie's Revolution" forum. Stevepol Jun 2016 #72
Excellent suggestion. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #73
Great idea. This might be part of the movement started with Bernie. I'm also all for Cal33 Jul 2016 #74
CLINTON/SANDERS Ticket Silentvoice Jul 2016 #77
Then, why not Al Gore? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #22
Gore is part of the established democratic party; an insider. DU is an Establishment. DhhD Jun 2016 #42
I'm familiar with JPR MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #43
Its establishment is an independent democratic oligarchy with its own donors. DhhD Jun 2016 #44
So, the banks, who control "the real economy" can play chicken with Warren on a string? MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #45
Not if we work outside of triangulating conservatism. DhhD Jun 2016 #47
I doubt if it will be closed. They did not close the Clinton group in 2008. totodeinhere Jun 2016 #48
Yeah, unless Warren or Sanders is the VP Kelvin Mace Jun 2016 #49
The hillary group will as well.we should open a downticket group swhisper1 Jun 2016 #52
We should petition him to keep it open! n/t RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #2
Why close it prematurely? senz Jun 2016 #3
Was the Hillary group ever closed? Just curious. djean111 Jun 2016 #4
No, but I really don't think anyone should use them as a model. n/t QC Jun 2016 #5
Why is it when I click on your user name nothing appears, while when clicking pangaia Jun 2016 #33
I'm not sure about that. QC Jun 2016 #34
OK.. Thought maybe you were a spy or something. LOL! pangaia Jun 2016 #36
There's a way to see QC's journal etc. Yonnie3 Jun 2016 #55
HA HA!!.. I won't tell.. ">))) pangaia Jun 2016 #56
The software has a problem with user names of only two letters. -none Jun 2016 #65
I agree... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #46
IMO, as long as people are not talking about Hillary, there is no reason to djean111 Jun 2016 #7
bernie is a democrat and as long as we dont bash Hillary, the movement is a valid topic swhisper1 Jun 2016 #53
Hell no. emulatorloo Jun 2016 #6
No. Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #8
Indeed. One thing we need to really reflect hard on, is the Left ELITE sat on their collective hands 2banon Jun 2016 #15
Indeed. They have their Pensions, their trust funds everything that a limousine Liberal needs. LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #21
yep, that's it in a nut shell. 2banon Jun 2016 #23
No, I haven't read it, but I will try to find it. I was just speaking about people I have known LiberalArkie Jun 2016 #24
wow. first hand observations.. excellent education .. 2banon Jun 2016 #25
Is this it? klook Jun 2016 #68
yes.. thanks 2banon Jun 2016 #70
They didn't sit on their hands, they know where their money comes from they supported that. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #27
Yes, true. I meant sitting on their hands in our struggle for genuine progressive campaigns 2banon Jun 2016 #32
Only close if Hillary's group closes as well. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #9
That won't happen. -none Jun 2016 #66
Perhaps that's why I'm rarely here anymore. highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #69
Can't we at least wait until the convention. MoonchildCA Jun 2016 #10
Been here a long time and I don't remember any presidential group closing. It just falls into disuse Melissa G Jun 2016 #11
I like to read comments in the Bernie group... nenagh Jun 2016 #12
Looks like we have a consensus! n/t QC Jun 2016 #13
NOO!! grasswire Jun 2016 #14
NO! Duval Jun 2016 #16
As long as he is a Democrat I see no need to shut it down. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #18
Agreed. If he is a Democrat and is still 2orking to bring people into the party, then GreenPartyVoter Jun 2016 #38
It should remain open until the Democratic Party decides who to run for President imagine2015 Jun 2016 #19
What would happen to all the research in this group? Various topics that people took time to... Donkees Jun 2016 #20
I wouldn't care if the Hillary group was closed, though. nt valerief Jun 2016 #28
Absolutely not! I liked both candidates, but favored Bernie. When, one time, napi21 Jun 2016 #29
The Bernie Group hosts are good about gently reminding people they are posting in the group first. cui bono Jun 2016 #41
Should we close down the Lincoln Chafee and Elizabeth Warren Groups? immoderate Jun 2016 #30
Were you thinking of closing Kerry, Biden and the others as well? peace13 Jun 2016 #31
Autumn and I wanted to be able to show that there's is real demand for this group. QC Jun 2016 #35
Ok peace13 Jun 2016 #37
People having been posting OPs here every day. merrily Jun 2016 #62
No. Bernie has been and will continue to be a force in govt. He is our voice. cui bono Jun 2016 #40
No sangfroid Jun 2016 #50
No, he's been a hero of progressive Dems since before the primary ReasonableToo Jun 2016 #54
Hell to the NO! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #57
Why? LWolf Jun 2016 #58
Why Not? DU has had many Groups that were allowed to function--and Still Are: KoKo Jun 2016 #59
Why ask that we be shut down? left-of-center2012 Jun 2016 #60
See post 35. n/t QC Jun 2016 #61
Looks like it's closed by default in any event. stranger81 Jun 2016 #64
^^^This^^^ -none Jun 2016 #67
no glinda Jun 2016 #71
Wait until the convention. Lunabell Jul 2016 #76
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. I would think it will be closed automatically next week
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

since expressing support for Sanders will be viewed as high treason.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
17. If it is closed, I'd like to see us open a critique and continuation group in its place
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jun 2016

The idea would be to debrief and take a hard look at what did and did not work, plan strategy for whatever we do now, and lay out wh
at our future objectives should be.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
75. Just look at the results of the poll. There are 217 replies at this writing, and all of them are
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

for not closing. That's 100%. We want it open.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
39. Don't do that
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jun 2016

here unless you like being continually alerted on and blocked. It should be obvious by now that this group is not the safe haven it is supposed to be. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

P.S. There IS intelligent life outside of DU.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
63. I don't see that happening.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jun 2016

You're basically not going to be allowed to even hint at Sanders as a Presidential nominee. Unless the "future objectives" have nothing to do with the Presidency, the group will be the target of non-stop alerts. While no one would get away with coming into a Sanders group and bashing Sanders, that doesn't mean they won't try, and I am assuming that would become more of a pain than it's worth for the admins. I could be wrong. I don't think so.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
72. I like this idea: call it "Bernie's Revolution" forum.
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:15 AM
Jun 2016

This could add significantly to the political revolution. It would involve discussion of the many issues that became well-known during the primary because of Bernie's speeches and interviews. It would keep these hot button issues hot. It could involve other candidates who support or are running to promote and further these issues. There's no reason to say a word about Hillary and her allies except when they reveal their commitment to neo-liberal politics and policies that are doing so much damage to our country and the world.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
74. Great idea. This might be part of the movement started with Bernie. I'm also all for
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jul 2016

Elizabeth's movement. I hope the two will unite some day.

Silentvoice

(1 post)
77. CLINTON/SANDERS Ticket
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jul 2016

Why can't Secretary Clinton just take Senator Bernie Sanders as her Runningmate? It's the wise thing to do. That ticket will just blow Donald Grumpy away like chaff. I will be happy to see a CLINTON/SANDERS Ticket.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
42. Gore is part of the established democratic party; an insider. DU is an Establishment.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders is an outsider; someone opposed to triangulating conservatism.

Outsiders usually stop by a place called jack pine radicals.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
43. I'm familiar with JPR
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jun 2016

I post there often enough.

What is funny about your post is the "establishment" part. When the system doesn't work for either party because they have both been taken over corporately, then who wants to be in the "established" political party? It's no longer a political party.... Yet, Americans somehow need to see an established allegiance to that?

I'd say the party needs to move, not us. Meanwhile, the pretenders here think they're still Democrats.

Pretty crazy.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
44. Its establishment is an independent democratic oligarchy with its own donors.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:42 AM
Jun 2016

We support who the Oligarch tells us to support or it is announced early that we are gone by June 16th.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/27/wall_streets_political_shakedown_well_stop_funding_dems_if_elizabeth_warren_wont_sit_down_and_shut_up/

Wall Street’s political shakedown: We’ll stop funding Dems if Elizabeth Warren
won’t sit down and shut up
Top banks consider cutting off Dems if the party won't rein in party progressives

more at link

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
45. So, the banks, who control "the real economy" can play chicken with Warren on a string?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jun 2016

We're completely fucked with THAT one!

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
47. Not if we work outside of triangulating conservatism.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jun 2016

There is democratic socialism that is not a collective of Ayn Rand's thinking and writings.

totodeinhere

(13,130 posts)
48. I doubt if it will be closed. They did not close the Clinton group in 2008.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

And if I read it correctly we can continue to voice support for Bernie's agenda as long as we also support the election of Clinton. And if Hillary Clinton can praise Bernie as she has then why can't we continue to do it as long as we support the election of our party's nominee?

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
52. The hillary group will as well.we should open a downticket group
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:59 AM
Jun 2016

it would not be a conflict site at all and how many of us have any knowledge of our choices and what they stand for?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. Why is it when I click on your user name nothing appears, while when clicking
Reply to QC (Reply #5)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:14 PM
Jun 2016

on anyone else's user name, it goes to the info page,,whatever it is called?

I am really just curious, no agenda...

QC

(26,371 posts)
34. I'm not sure about that.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016

A member of the Yellow Button Club asked Skinner the same thing in ATA, and I figured it was just because the poster in question couldn't imagine someone's transparency page not being visible.

I guess there's some kind of glitch.

Yonnie3

(17,707 posts)
55. There's a way to see QC's journal etc.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:42 PM
Jun 2016

Put QC in the site search box and press the search button. The first result is a link to the journal.
But shhh .... don't tell anyone.

-none

(1,884 posts)
65. The software has a problem with user names of only two letters.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

It takes 3 or more to work properly.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
46. I agree...
Reply to QC (Reply #5)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

Their representation is anything but democratic!

Giving the ole "nod" to Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Bank of America!

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. IMO, as long as people are not talking about Hillary, there is no reason to
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jun 2016

close the group. Unless Skinner is determined to wipe Bernie's name and presence off the face of DU, this is a good place to talk about what Bernie is doing, whatever he does. It's not like not having this group is going to make anyone into a Hillary supporter.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
53. bernie is a democrat and as long as we dont bash Hillary, the movement is a valid topic
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:10 AM
Jun 2016

and has legs against Trump. As far as I know, this isnt DNC underground, it is for democrats be they liberal, progressive or 3rd way. Why would skinner wipe bernie's name from DU?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
8. No.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jun 2016

This was, for me, never about this election. I never thought Sanders had a real chance of winning. I am delighted by how well he has done. For me it was and is about the potential to build a strong left faction inside the Demicratic Party, about a multi election process to seize control of the party, to elect democratic socialist democrats, re-new deal Democrats up and down the ballot, and to transform this country by doing so.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
15. Indeed. One thing we need to really reflect hard on, is the Left ELITE sat on their collective hands
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

and essentially has done nothing really for decades to build a truly progressive left movement. and are being criticized today for essentially doing nothing of worth still.

It's time we take long hard look at the bourgeoise of the "Left" and understand they're too comfortable, and largely irrelevant this movement.

They do LOVE to interfere with strong progressive efforts , by co-opting at every turn, Occupy is a perfect example. That's just one. I've been observing this for the past two decades. I think we really need to look at this, and give a big finger call out on their complicity with the status quo and their mealy mouthed "opposition" token punditry.


It's just one thing anarchists continue to remind us of, but so many of us haven't quite given it the value of worth, including myself. Until now.

I'm starting to look at that criticism with a sharper eye, which I used to reject out of hand..



LiberalArkie

(15,861 posts)
21. Indeed. They have their Pensions, their trust funds everything that a limousine Liberal needs.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jun 2016

One thing they do not want is increases in taxes or their capital gains touched. They do not want the tax code changed as they have to be able to write off the donations to the Met. They have to be able to have their foundations for a reason to go to Africa to check on the endangered animals, they have to be able to deduct the ocean cruses to check for plastic. It they are lucky in their giving they will not have to worry about paying anything in taxes that might go to those grubby people outside the townhouse.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
23. yep, that's it in a nut shell.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jun 2016

Someone posted an interesting article by Thomas Frank a week or two ago. Not able to read beyond a few paragraphs, many other matters on my plate, but he presented quite an interesting and critical perspective on the subrosa of Women Micro-Entrepreneurship enterprise... worthy read and eye opening.

But I suppose you've read this piece or at least have studied it a lot more closely than I had. Sort of explains a great deal I hadn't considered before.



LiberalArkie

(15,861 posts)
24. No, I haven't read it, but I will try to find it. I was just speaking about people I have known
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jun 2016

growing up and in adulthood. I guess I should have thrown in "I'll pray for you" in there also. I was raised around people like that. My family was poor but all the kin folks were wealthy oil and timber people. So here we were, my parents trying to provide and an aunt or uncle or cousin stops by and wants to show us pictures of their Africa trip or the pictures they took at JFK's inaugural party or down at the Johnson ranch etc. They only people they would help or do anything for is people in their own class. They might be see at a charity event handing a sandwich to a poor person as long as a camera was there, but once the flash went off they were gone.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
25. wow. first hand observations.. excellent education ..
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016

on the Liberal "Elite"..

don't have the link.. at the ready. maybe if you google Thomas Frank/Micro-Entrepreneurs/Clinton Foundation ? or something to that effect. I think the article might have been published in the Atlantic, but again memory is failing on details

onecaliberal

(34,114 posts)
27. They didn't sit on their hands, they know where their money comes from they supported that.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

NOT the people.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
32. Yes, true. I meant sitting on their hands in our struggle for genuine progressive campaigns
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jun 2016

Chief Editors of the The Nation comes to mind. You know those with roots in progressive activism dating back to Chile in the early 70's and before then, but have really gotten too comfortable and thrown a lot of obstacles in our path for access and establishing "credibility" ..

I don't have time to elaborate on that at this moment, someday soon maybe I'll post a couple of reads that will clarify.. but I'll do it on the other site though.

See ya there?

Melissa G

(10,170 posts)
11. Been here a long time and I don't remember any presidential group closing. It just falls into disuse
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jun 2016

when it is done. Maybe after a very long time of no posts then it closes.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
16. NO!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

It's a democracy, right? Don't we have the right to read posters from Bernie's group as long as he is in the race?

GreenPartyVoter

(72,520 posts)
38. Agreed. If he is a Democrat and is still 2orking to bring people into the party, then
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jun 2016

the group should remain open.

Donkees

(31,708 posts)
20. What would happen to all the research in this group? Various topics that people took time to...
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jun 2016

collect and verify.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
29. Absolutely not! I liked both candidates, but favored Bernie. When, one time,
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

I posed a question in the Hillary group and apparently pissed off one of the people that head that group and I was locked out! I was shocked and surprised. I even sent a note to the person who locked me out of the group and was told "we're pretty strict in this group when it comes to any criticism of Hillary. There are so many posts, I don't remember what you said."

If the Hillary group remains "so pure" in their requirements, then I suggest the Bernie threads be left alone. THEY aren't nearly as demanding that they can't discuss a criticism of their candidate once in a while without freaking out and slamming the door!

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
41. The Bernie Group hosts are good about gently reminding people they are posting in the group first.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jun 2016

Then only ban when people don't respond to that.

The Hillary group hosts not so much. Complete opposite attitude.

.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
31. Were you thinking of closing Kerry, Biden and the others as well?
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jun 2016

Seems like a strange time to call this question.

QC

(26,371 posts)
35. Autumn and I wanted to be able to show that there's is real demand for this group.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jun 2016

Clearly there is.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
62. People having been posting OPs here every day.
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jun 2016

Is there a reason this group has to show more demand than that, when other groups do not? For example, the most recent post in the Kucinich group was July 2015--and that was an OP noting not much posting was happening in that group.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1106194

We even still have a Lincoln Chafee group.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
40. No. Bernie has been and will continue to be a force in govt. He is our voice.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:20 PM
Jun 2016

We need not talk about him and the presidency, but can continue to talk about him and his goal of reforming the Dem Party and our govt.

.

ReasonableToo

(505 posts)
54. No, he's been a hero of progressive Dems since before the primary
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:16 AM
Jun 2016

No reason to think that he won't continue to speak the truth. Truth should always be welcome and have a place.

If for no other reasons than he's speech against the Iraq war and his REAL and inspiring Mr.-Smith-goes-to-Washington filibuster are reason enough to open and keep open a Bernie group.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
59. Why Not? DU has had many Groups that were allowed to function--and Still Are:
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jun 2016

Elizabeth Warren Group, John Kerry Group, Occupy Wall Street, Isreali/Palistine Group, The Gun Dungeon, Astrology Group, Loners, Foreign Affairs, Socialist Group, African-American Group, Populst Reform of the Democratic Party Group, Progressive Media Resources Group, Religions Groups, LBGT Activist Group and many other Social Issues Groups and other topics of Interest to Members of ""Democratic Undergound"

There's no reason a "Bernie Sanders Group" should not be able to be a part of DU. He is still a US Senator and news of Bernie will be welcome in the Bernie Sanders Group about those activities. Skinner has never asked a DU Group to be "Dismanded" as far as I've known in my many years here on the site.



stranger81

(2,345 posts)
64. Looks like it's closed by default in any event.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jun 2016

About half the posts here have been removed already. Discussion from points of view left of the DLC now appears verboten.

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