Looking at the greatest threads and the postmortem threads

[MelissaB]

I'm not hopeful most Democrats (at least here) are going to learn a damn thing about why we lost this election.

[fleur-de-lisa]

1. I agree.

And what's with the talk of Howard Dean as DNC chair? Have we learned nothing? Same old same old!

[MelissaB]

4. Yup!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. Yup... can't believe we'd go down that losing road again... KE is the ONLY way forward or else we are doomed to repeat history.

[TexasBushwhacker]

7. I only wish the DNC could be his one and only job

But I don't want him to give up his seat in the House.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

9. He couldn't do a worse job than DWS... it's time to turn the page and give KE a chance to show what he can do.

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He's one of the few, like Bernie and Elizabeth, who's in touch with the hearts and minds of regular folks... which is probably why those new leaders of the Democratic Party are supporting him. Go Keith!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[MelissaB]

3. By the looks of the forum, we haven't learned a thing.

They STILL think Hillary lost (and people don't like her) because she is a woman.

This place looks like a freaking echo chamber right now.

[TexasBushwhacker]

6. You would think that the popularity of Sanders and Trump

would be a sign that PEOPLE WANT CHANGE. As awful as he is, Trump still represented change and Clinton represented status quo. Shit, it's not about the "deplorables". It's about all the college educated whites that voted for Trump. Even the women!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. I think people will realize that Hillary was not the perfect messenger for 2016, a "change" election. Time to pass the baton to the real progressives in the party.

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Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[Cobalt Violet]

12. the bubble grows back fast.

glad I only payed a buck for my star! Not sure if it's even worth that. Having to hear over and over again that the working class are all a bunch of racist is really sad.

[nashville_brook]

16. amen to that.

here's a really good article on the working class and what people should understand, but don't.

https://hbr.org/2016/11/what-so-many-people-dont-get-about-the-u-s-working-class?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email

[nashville_brook]

17. ...an echo chamber that's a week out of date.

ffs.

[marlakay]

28. My daughter who works for large company

Full of republicans said they told her they believed Trump when he said he was going to lower taxes and bring back jobs.

They live paycheck to paycheck worried about bills more than abortion, Supreme Court or global warming. She said mom you don't get it they are worried about today, not tomorrow.

Also even though they needed Obamacare they felt forced into it and couldn't afford it.

We need to look closely at that, how can we save the planet , help women and minorities, but at the same time not raise taxes or health care costs.

Bernie talked about taxing the rich, but his programs were going to cost so much it worried people they would have to pay for it.

With Hillary I don't think they believed her, how they could believe Trump more seems crazy to us but then a good chunk of us don't live where we are forced to watch Fox in waiting rooms all the time.

[LWolf]

10. Of course they won't.

They've had their excuses set up months ahead of time.

[Cobalt Violet]

11. I agree. seems that nothing was learned.

They're blaming bernie and the voters. Those of us warned that a vote for Hillary in primary was a voter for Trump in general knew that this is exactly what they would do.

[lastone]

23. And they'll continue to stick their collective

Heads in the sand. Corp dems lost this fucking election - Sanders would have won. Clueless fools the lot of em...

[Tarc]

13. Well, I tried

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512611056

But yes, there's resistance. I think it may take some time for the raw feelings to subside.

[MelissaB]

14. I gave that post a rec. I really don't know what to expect

here. I think I'll wait until everyone is back and see, but I'm not too optomistic about that. So many liberals/Bernie supporters have left. If this place remains the corporate party or get out, I'm out.

[nashville_brook]

15. love the use of establishment talking points in response to your OP

e.g. that an elected official can't hold the position. Erm, DWS anyone?

[eridani]

18. DWS was not exactly stellar

I was thinking that the two jobs issue might rule out Ellison, but I've reconsidered and will ask our four DNC reps to support him.

[kenfrequed]

19. Well..

There are a number of people that are trying to tell us what we should learn. Hell, there are threads trying to tell us what we should learn going forward.

[kenfrequed]

20. Yup

The Hill people out there seem to be ideologically opposed to Bernie. Some of them seem to have redefined what it means to be a democrat by being opposed to everything he was for.

It really is sort of sad.

It might be best just to stay out of that room since none of them seem interested in learning anything and everything is just about continuing to blame Bernie.

[MelissaB]

21. And the alerters are trigger happy.

Be careful out there.

[Arazi]

22. What's tragic is DUers are going to be as crushed in 2018 as now

If they don't begin to get out of the DU bubble. The blame-memes here are already ossifying and once that meme is set, it's impossible to change (for example remember how anyone who even dared point out the negative polling at the end was relentlessly mocked as a concern troll?)

There's a lot of extremely interesting post-mortems out there that I don’t dare post here for fear of being hidden. It's not worth getting swarmed

Damn shame because there's some very interesting analysis being done

[Bob41213]

24. Yeah, for sure...

It was the FBI, sexism, and voter fraud that cost the election. Right?

[VulgarPoet]

25. They won't.

I'll guarangoddamntee that. They'll go right back to the Bernie bashing of the primary, and alert on enough people to cause a new offshoot forum to be made; since apparently JPR has gone full blown reich wing.

[Arazi]

26. Nah, the 3Ms shut that bullshit right down @ JPR

And those folks left completely fyi

It's pretty interesting there imo. It's certainly not the shitstorm it's been portrayed to be here

[VulgarPoet]

27. Maybe I'll give it another whirl then.

Goddess knows I will not be able to tolerate how much Bernie-bashing I anticipate seeing here, and the odds are good I'll pop off again. I used to post there in the first week or so of 1.0, and then something changed and I couldn't access it behind the work proxy. So I wrote it off for the most part; but if it's been cleaned up, then there's definitely reason to go back.