Bernie doesn't listen. He's not pragmatic. He's just putting on a show.

[AlbertCat]

Are you as sick of these false memes as I am? Where did they come from?


See... Hillary is listening! How can you tell? I guess by the "Uh huhs and Mmm hmms"

And of course "It's time for a woman president" is not the same as "It's her turn and she deserves it".


Also MEN keep telling Hillary supporters that they are just voting for her because she's a woman (that's another manifestation of It's her turn...again) Women never tell other women such a thing....right?

And of course, what Jane Goodall thinks is paramount!

I wonder if Sanders' campaign would be less of a "show" if he had someone with huge name recognition?


Please note that 90% of this post is snark. But let's face it....some things are true (they think its "her turn&quot and some thing are not (Sanders isn't listening)

[Skinner]

1. I think complaints about being sick of unfair criticism of one's own candidate...

...tend be much more compelling when they do not include criticism of the other candidate.

Be the change and all that yada yada yada.

[AlbertCat]

2. Where did I criticize Clinton.... and not the false memes her supporters spread?

Actually understanding what is in a post is much more compelling than thinking criticizing followers is the same as criticizing the candidate.

[Skinner]

3. I've said my piece. (nt)

[AlbertCat]

7. I've said my piece.

So, I didn't criticize Hillary.


Thanks for running away.... 'cause when you got nothin'....

[marym625]

15. +100000

[truebrit71]

25. Probably having another Chipotle burrito....

[cheapdate]

29. Your post criticized Hillary Clinton using backhanded statements.

Like this one:

See... Hillary is listening! How can you tell? I guess by the "Uh huhs and Mmm hmms"

What is that, except a backhanded way of saying that Hillary Clinton is insincere?

Please. Backhanded criticism or criticism "disguised" as snark is practically the same as straightforward criticism -- it's just a little weaker and it gives one some wiggle room to straddle the fence, if it's convenient to do so, like now.

Own it.

[Autumn]

32. Skinner owns this site. We don't need you coming in here deciding what a poster has said.

This group is for Sanders supporters.

[AlbertCat]

36. What is that, except a backhanded way of saying that Hillary Clinton is insincere?

What is is?

It's asking how can you tell she's listening?


Just like it says.


You can insert your fantasy butt-hurt reading all you want, but it is a criticism of the notion that Sanders isn't listening. It is a criticism of Hillary's supporters' memes.

[cheapdate]

38. "Butt-hurt"...what are we? Like, 12?

[AlbertCat]

42. what are we? Like, 12?

You act like it every time someone questions anything about Hillary.

[cheapdate]

43. Whatever.

[AlbertCat]

44. Whatever.

No.

It's "What-EV-errrr"

[marym625]

45. you were warned

Since you can't seem to honor the rules for this safe haven group by yourself, I made it easy for you.

[Scootaloo]

4. Hi, Skinner

So far, Sanders has been called a segregationist. He's been held responsible for slavery in Virginia and the Chicago PD's abuses of blacks. He's been called "a republican with his head between women's legs," and a rapist. There is constant insistence that he is a Republican "plant." That he's a wild-eyed (and wild-haired!) gun nut who ignores minorities and only thinks about money, whose true loyalties lie to Tel Aviv. He's too old! He's too white! He's too liberal!

[RoccoR5955]

5. Yep, I have heard all of htem

Not to mention, the ubiquitous, "A socialist will never win" meme.

[Scootaloo]

6. We're only four months in

And the "Clinton supporters" have spent all four in rage mode. We're seeing shit in September that in 2008 waited until May.

[AlbertCat]

8. all four in rage mode.

Let's see....


Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance


Which one are they on now? Y'know, before "death"

[RoccoR5955]

11. Yep.

And the Clinton supporters shall say that the Sanders supporters do the same thing, only worse. both you and I know that this is true.

[smokey nj]

9. You left out draft dodger. That's the latest.

[Scootaloo]

10. Oh yes, and the cowardice and inability to act as Commander in Chief

That's a fun one. Thanks, I forgot!

[merrily]

19. ....

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/draftletter.html

[delrem]

39. Phew! That's some read.

Reading it from the letter all the way through the interview with Koppel.

Now that's some kind of calculating.

Doesn't bear too much thinking about...
an antidote to some kind of calculating

[Autumn]

13. All those and more. A new one pops up every few days. Did you see the post complaining about Bernie

hiring a woman to work on his campaign who had the actual nerve to write about... women and another that said Bernie wouldn't make a good President because.... he isn't a lawyer.

[beam me up scottie]

20. And that he supports pedophiles.

Who hasn't seen the swift boating that began months ago and shows no sign of slowing?

When Bernie becomes a big enough target the right wing hacks can just come to DU if they need material for their sleazy hit pieces.

[Puglover]

24. There was a post in the HRC group awhile back

(that was hidden) complaining about unfair attacks on Mrs. Clinton (and there ARE ridiculous attacks on her on this site) that then compared DU and by proxy Bernie supporters to Free Republic. I am puzzled why no concern about that sort of post. Seems to me these two posts are not dissimilar.

I understand that since the OP was hidden it could not replied to however the thread was long and no concern was voiced. Are there two different sets of decorum for HRC supporters and Bernie backers? If so it would be nice to know.

[Scootaloo]

35. Couldn't tell ya. Haven't read a HRC group thread in a good while

[Aerows]

12. Which makes Bernie Sanders such a more compelling candidate

Because he doesn't do that.

It's unfortunate that some of his supporters do so, but then you would have to take a look at Hillary Clinton supporters for a comparison.

Is that a mirror a Hillary supporter would wish to look into?

[marym625]

14. Thanks for setting up our safe haven group

I hope to see you say the same in other safe havens. You know, be the change and all that yada yada yada.

[Autumn]

16. I think I'll start using be the change and all that yada yada yada.

[marym625]

17. it's a great

You know, yada yada yada.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

18. I just searched & funnily enough

I didn't find 'be the change, yada, yada, yada' anywhere else. I thought for sure I would see it in at least one other group.

[marym625]

21. That can't be!

Surely you found at least one yada?

[LiberalElite]

22. You can't have just one yada

gotta be yadda yadda minimum. (but you knew that)

[marym625]

34. I didn't know!

Really!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

27. No, it makes sense.

We've got the only real change candidate. No point in telling anyone else to 'be the change' because the others don't want change.

[daleanime]

31. +1

[marym625]

33. Excellent point! n/t

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

37. Absolutely right.

I didn't think of that.

[Autumn]

23. Are you saying we got the only be the change, yada, yada, yada, anywhere?

I'm shocked, truly shocked.

[historylovr]

26. Maybe we're that privileged.

[Autumn]

28. We are that privileged. Because we are the change we have been waiting for.

Bernie is a big change which is why people are so excited.

[historylovr]

30. Couldn't agree more!

[delrem]

40. Thanks for this. It's been cathartic reading the feedback.

What a great group the Sanders group is!

[Aerows]

41. Bernie Sanders eats puppies for dinner, blah blah blah

I believe he has thick enough skin to deal with that kind of nonsense, and his supporters do, too.

It is kind of satire, but it really skates the line. Hillary Clinton supporters are willing to do anything to get her elected. That's a given

As far as a dose of reality is concerned, reality given how weak the GOP clown car line up is, anybody with a halfway coherent message can win.

Coherent messages pretty much exclude the GOP butt-wagon.