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dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:16 PM Sep 2015

More views from the Minnesota State Fair (from the Minneapolis Star Tribune)

This was a column in today's Star Tribune

http://www.startribune.com/what-the-state-fair-tells-us-about-minnesota-voters/324529031/

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What the State Fair tells us about Minnesota voters (Lori Sturdevant)

Evidence of Minnesotans’ interest in a major shake-up in national politics was easy to spot at the State Fair HQs of both major political parties. At the DFL pavilion, two presidential campaign tables bearing literature, trinkets and volunteer sign-up sheets vied for fairgoers’ attention. As 2 p.m. parade time neared Wednesday, a cluster of fairgoers three or four deep stood around Bernie Sanders’ table, grabbing copies of “Bernie’s agenda for America,” scribbling messages on a white board, and offering their names and e-mail addresses.

“It’s been this way every day,” said Christine Carragee of Minneapolis, who heads the Sanders campaign’s events team in Minnesota. “We’ve been signing up 300, 400 people per day,” and employing six volunteers at a time. It’s no cult of personality she’s witnessing, she said. Rather, “people come with an issue in mind — preserving Social Security, improving health care access, income inequality.”

Traffic was much lighter at the adjacent table for Hillary Clinton. Clipboards bearing “I pledge to caucus for Hillary” forms bore just two names when I peeked. Solo volunteer Dorothy Baker of Eagan allowed that she’d love to see a woman elected president. “It would be such a moment for women in this country!” she enthused.

That it would. But Clinton’s potential to be a history-maker wasn’t drawing a crowd. A lonely-looking life-sized Hillary cutout near her table waited, and waited, for someone to stand close enough to snap a selfie.

“People are tired of lip-service” from Washington, offered Minnesota Farmers Union President Doug Peterson by way of explanation of Sanders’ appeal to fairgoers. They are annoyed with a political establishment that does not seem to listen to them, he said. “That’s why Sanders is bringing excitement. He’s like a prairie populist.”...


The article goes on that over at the Republican booth Trump appears to be running away with their unscientific poll with Carson and Fiorina running distance second and third. The Republican state party chair claims he is hearing from union members who claim to be DFLers who really like Trump. If that's true, it's scary, but we have to consider the source of that comment.

Meanwhile, at the booths the state House and Senate run, they're getting fairly positive comments which indicate that Minnesotans are fairly happy with how things are going at a state level (all things considered, they ought to be). It's at a national level that everyone seems to be looking for something other than the usual.

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More views from the Minnesota State Fair (from the Minneapolis Star Tribune) (Original Post) dflprincess Sep 2015 OP
Clinton seems to be following the same shitty DLC advice she got in 2008 Warpy Sep 2015 #1
They'll NEVER learn SmittynMo Sep 2015 #2
Ditto. SoapBox Sep 2015 #3
Why is Hillary asking them to pledge to caucus for jwirr Sep 2015 #4
Precinct Caucuses are the first step in electing national delegates dflprincess Sep 2015 #5
Thank you. I know I sound dumb at this but I have jwirr Sep 2015 #7
No problem dflprincess Sep 2015 #9
The momentum is unstoppable now! in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #6
Traditionally, the Fair has been a very good place to take the pulse hifiguy Sep 2015 #8
It's a shame that Bernie didn't stop by the fair Mnpaul Sep 2015 #10

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
1. Clinton seems to be following the same shitty DLC advice she got in 2008
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 08:34 PM
Sep 2015

and instead of getting out and stumping, she's relying on house parties among the upper middle class for higher dollar amount fundraising.

What both parties need to realize is that both Sanders and Trump are evidence that their rank and file just aren't buying those old messages any more. Trump has done relatively little bowing and scraping to the preachers (at least compared to the rest of the lot) and Sanders has the audacity to suggest that business as usual is not a good thing for most of us.

The power brokers in both parties need to take notice of this.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
3. Ditto.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:37 PM
Sep 2015

And the more we see this, I'm thinking it's good for Bernie.

The entrenched establishment may indeed do her in.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
4. Why is Hillary asking them to pledge to caucus for
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:33 PM
Sep 2015

her. We have caucuses in this state but they are more to work on the platform etc. than to name our nominee. Don't we decide that in a vote later in the year?

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
5. Precinct Caucuses are the first step in electing national delegates
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:47 PM
Sep 2015

The caucuses will be March 1, 2016. Attendees at those will elect delegates to the Senate District (or County Unit in some parts of the state) Convention.

At the Senate District conventions delegates will be elected to the Congressional District and State Conventions. -- The same delegates go to both conventions. Endorsements for the state legislature are done at the Senate District level.

At the Congressional District conventions endorsements for the House of Representatives are done and 1/2 of the national party delegates are elected (I'm assuming this hasn't changed since past years).

At the state convention, endorsements for any statewide offices are made (Governor, senator, etc). Minnesota will not have any statewide races in 2016 so the major piece of business at this convention will be electing the remaining national delegates.

We do have a primary, but that is only when someone is running against an endorsed candidate for a local or state wide office, it has nothing to do with the presidential race.

So, to make a long story short, it all starts with getting your supporters out to the caucuses and getting delegates elected to the next level. -- And then it really depends on those delegates showing up at the next levels.

It can be tedious and it is time consuming but I think it is grassroots at its best.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. Thank you. I know I sound dumb at this but I have
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 10:33 AM
Sep 2015

lived in Iowa most of my life and went to college in Nebraska. Neither of these states have anything like this so I have usually gone to the caucus here in MN for the platform and to support those I agree with.

Never really understood what it is all about.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
9. No problem
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 09:02 PM
Sep 2015

I've been going to caucuses in Minnesota since 1972 so I fancy myself an "expert". (Though I should probably find out what rule changes there may be this year).

The system here is complicated, don't hesitate to ask questions.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. Traditionally, the Fair has been a very good place to take the pulse
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 06:17 PM
Sep 2015

of Minnesota. I am not one bit surprised.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
10. It's a shame that Bernie didn't stop by the fair
Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:26 PM
Sep 2015

when he was in town. He missed a great chance to get the message out.

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