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What Does Howard Dean Mean - No Need For The Dems To Panic..... (Original Post) global1 Sep 2015 OP
I tossed him in the Entrenched Establishment bin... SoapBox Sep 2015 #1
I think so, and yes very disappointing. I can't figure out Dean's 'place' anymore. Sorry, but appalachiablue Sep 2015 #7
Don't you think dean knows more about Bernie then yeoman6987 Sep 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Sep 2015 #17
Exactly how did they 'work close'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #19
...and de Blasio won’t endorse Hillary, one of his closest allies dorkzilla Sep 2015 #30
I did too MissDeeds Sep 2015 #18
Yep. Hard to believe I was a Deaniac back in the day. :/ nt silvershadow Sep 2015 #35
He means *normal* people. Ones who aren't *socialist radicals.* immoderate Sep 2015 #2
Bwahaaahaaaaa n/t monmouth4 Sep 2015 #4
I think he's gone over to the dark side tularetom Sep 2015 #3
At a guess, he means that the PTB Dems are starting to panic and they shouldn't (at least not yet). hedda_foil Sep 2015 #5
As in all sudden drops in share prices, investors need reassurance RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #6
Fuck this shit. kath Sep 2015 #8
I hear ya, Kath. My name is Cath. :D roguevalley Sep 2015 #9
Do you have a link? nt MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #11
Sorry I Don't..... global1 Sep 2015 #21
I know that Dean's helping the dark side MannyGoldstein Sep 2015 #26
Good catch. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #12
Yes! SoapBox Sep 2015 #13
He means, democratic socialists are welcome to vote for dems, but shouldn't pretend to be dems HereSince1628 Sep 2015 #14
Dean went down to the crossroads. Fell down on his knees. Asked Hillary for mercy. raindaddy Sep 2015 #15
The same message as all the other folks who talk about the Dems needing a 'white knight' to save Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #16
Bernie is somehow the destroyer of the Party AlbertCat Sep 2015 #37
Do you have a link to where he says this? thesquanderer Sep 2015 #20
With enough time spent in a zombie apocalypse U of M Dem Sep 2015 #22
Dean has become a corporate-msnbc-establishment tool. Congrats Howard. polichick Sep 2015 #23
He has gone over. Too late for Howard. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #24
I went to Dean's FB page to see what he said... Jackilope Sep 2015 #25
Perhaps he's envious of Bernie - swilton Sep 2015 #40
Some people are just that petty and egotistical. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #41
I think he meant "I've been there!" napi21 Sep 2015 #27
M$M has already tried to silence him Barky Bark Sep 2015 #34
Howard Dean did not have the courage that Bernie has, the humility. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #36
He means the Hillary campaign is getting nervous and wondering if this is INdemo Sep 2015 #28
They just dont get it SmittynMo Sep 2015 #33
I don't know other than Dr Dean is a big Hillary supporter Autumn Sep 2015 #29
So by supporting Bernie,that means wendylaroux Sep 2015 #31
too bad restorefreedom Sep 2015 #32
I don't think Howard Dean was ever as progressive truebluegreen Sep 2015 #38
I am going to a seminar in Vegas with my husband in mid November....Dean ALBliberal Sep 2015 #39
That will provide some answers about Dean's loyalty. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #42

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
1. I tossed him in the Entrenched Establishment bin...
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 04:51 PM
Sep 2015

after hearing him bang the drums for "her" a couple weeks ago.

It was really a disappointment.

appalachiablue

(41,131 posts)
7. I think so, and yes very disappointing. I can't figure out Dean's 'place' anymore. Sorry, but
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:05 PM
Sep 2015

with his qualities and experience, I'd be damned if I'd stick around hoping for another position, if that's what he's doing after reading here that he made known his desire for the HHS Secy. slot but wasn't accepted by Obama's team, and their punting him as DNC Chair per Rahm so I read. Forget that, jeeze. And now favoring HRC outright with little to no regard for what Bernie's accomplishing. Strange.
I've met him, heard him speak and he's everything you see, confident with major brights and also personable. Can't understand the waste of a major asset like that and his situation. Though I sure don't know everything involved-

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
10. Don't you think dean knows more about Bernie then
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:36 PM
Sep 2015

any of us do? Being from the same state and working close with him? Some act like they know Bernie more then Dean does (not saying you think that) and that is not true. I really can't wait til the primary is decided no matter who is chosen. We are negative on a good politician because he isn't supporting another candidate? Have we really gone down this path?

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #10)

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
19. Exactly how did they 'work close'?
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:05 PM
Sep 2015

I'm not negative on Dean because he 'supports' another politician. I'm negative on him for HOW he's choosing to support her. He seems to be a lead surrogate on MSNBC these days, and he's a lot more like an establishment flunky than anything else. I was never a 'Deaniac'. He had good ideas to help the establishment, but the establishment is the enemy of progress.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
30. ...and de Blasio won’t endorse Hillary, one of his closest allies
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 07:07 PM
Sep 2015

I think he may know Hillary a bit better than we do.

And you may want to re-think Dean, as I have had to (and I had a natural attachment to him as we are distant cousins, so there is that).

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/02/howard_deans_iran_secret_famously_dovish_dem_is_paid_shill_for_iranian_regime_change_group/

When you can’t beat em, join em.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
3. I think he's gone over to the dark side
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 04:55 PM
Sep 2015

When he says "the Dems" he means the Clinton campaign.

It's quite obvious there is no need for supporters of Sen. Sanders to panic.

hedda_foil

(16,373 posts)
5. At a guess, he means that the PTB Dems are starting to panic and they shouldn't (at least not yet).
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 04:59 PM
Sep 2015


or it could just mean



It often depends on what you do about it.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
6. As in all sudden drops in share prices, investors need reassurance
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:04 PM
Sep 2015

A pity this is democracy we're talking about and not Wall Street. Or is it?



global1

(25,242 posts)
21. Sorry I Don't.....
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:06 PM
Sep 2015

I had the news on in the background and I was in another room and heard that comment from him.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
26. I know that Dean's helping the dark side
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:41 PM
Sep 2015

But I'm surprised he'd say something like that. But not shocked.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
12. Good catch.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:44 PM
Sep 2015

Oh my, what a changed man Mr. Dean is, and not in a good direction.

I stopped listening to him like over a month ago, when he was hawking
Hillary like a car salesman.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
13. Yes!
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:53 PM
Sep 2015

We must have heard the same babble...I was sitting with my mouth open thinking, what the hell?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
14. He means, democratic socialists are welcome to vote for dems, but shouldn't pretend to be dems
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:57 PM
Sep 2015

something which I don't think Sanders has done.

But it also means that as a coalition party, some of the coalition is more party and some of the party is more coalition.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
15. Dean went down to the crossroads. Fell down on his knees. Asked Hillary for mercy.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:58 PM
Sep 2015

Take me if you please!

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
16. The same message as all the other folks who talk about the Dems needing a 'white knight' to save
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 05:59 PM
Sep 2015

them. That Bernie is somehow the destroyer of the Party and cannot be allowed to win.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
37. Bernie is somehow the destroyer of the Party
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 07:44 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie is an independent ...running as a Dem so his votes will not endanger a liberal winning. He caucuses with the Dems so this shouldn't be so unusual. Maybe Dean doesn't consider him a Dem.

U of M Dem

(154 posts)
22. With enough time spent in a zombie apocalypse
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:10 PM
Sep 2015

one is bound to be bitten.

Me thinks he has "turned" 3rd way.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
25. I went to Dean's FB page to see what he said...
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:38 PM
Sep 2015

... while I didn't see anything about not panicking, I did see lots of folks that feel the Bern responding to his pro Hillary post.

Sad that Dean became a Corporate shill. I had thought better of him a few years back. Now he is just sad. Here Bernie is going to the 50 states, is getting people fired up, is promoting progressive ideas and all Dean can do is tell Democrats not to panic?? Stupid commentary.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
27. I think he meant "I've been there!"
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:46 PM
Sep 2015

If you remember, he was leading by a lot and his popularity was rising. I was one of his supporter! THEN, THE MEDIA decided they just didn't want him, so they pulled that "microphone trick" and made him sound like a crazy man, and his numbers fell like a rock.

I'm very afraid that Bernie might face the same thing. Remember, tthe media likes the " party favorite" and they have the power to eliminate any candidate they wish. I have no idea how to stop something like that either!

 

Barky Bark

(70 posts)
34. M$M has already tried to silence him
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 07:33 PM
Sep 2015

Not even working. Bernie's getting WOM and social media to do the talking for him. It continues on a daily basis on a positive note. What better representative for our country than Bernie?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
36. Howard Dean did not have the courage that Bernie has, the humility.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 07:39 PM
Sep 2015

Bernie at Liberty University.

A Jewish man, the grandson of people persecuted in Europe by people calling themselves Christians?

That takes a lot of love, a lot of capacity to forgive and a lot of courage.

Bernie is the one.

Howard Dean gave up. He could have recovered from his media embarrassment.

He didn't. He had a lot of support. The Dean groups that he founded are still active and they have some wonderful people. We used to attend Dean's groups.

Dean became a company man.

Never had the courage to speak up for what was right against the odds.

I still like him, but he does not have and never did have Bernie's passion.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
28. He means the Hillary campaign is getting nervous and wondering if this is
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:56 PM
Sep 2015

the beginning of the 2008 all over again.
Look for Dean to became the Attack Dog for Hillary soon..well even more so...

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
33. They just dont get it
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 07:21 PM
Sep 2015

I don't see an attack dog for Bernie. Reason? Because he don't run a campaign like that. And it appears it's paying off.

She's gonna do the same crap she pulled in 2008, and lose it again.

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
29. I don't know other than Dr Dean is a big Hillary supporter
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 06:58 PM
Sep 2015

but I suggest he start getting worried cause he's about to be Berned.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
31. So by supporting Bernie,that means
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 07:11 PM
Sep 2015

I am a crazy radical coo coo bird?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
38. I don't think Howard Dean was ever as progressive
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:01 PM
Sep 2015

as we thought at the time, particularly on fiscal issues...which means he can fit in nicely with the corporate party.

ALBliberal

(2,339 posts)
39. I am going to a seminar in Vegas with my husband in mid November....Dean
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 08:04 PM
Sep 2015

and Huckabee are guest speakers. The seminar is related to the health insurance law. I will be all ears regarding Sanders. May have to have a question or two ready to go! Feel the Bern Howard Dean!

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