Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forum"Blowback as labor bosses, not members, back Clinton"
"Union leaders are faced with a decision to support a corporate Democrat who isn't terrible but who gets her support from Wall Street versus Sanders, who will really advance our issues," Wilson said.
He said that with Clinton, organized labor's relationship with the White House would be "transactional" they'll maybe get something in exchange for something else. With Sanders, they won't have to doubt that he'll be on their side on all issues.
Wilson expressed no concerns about whether Sanders, a 73-year-old socialist with little exposure on the national stage prior to this year, could win in a general election.
"A few people might be put off by the word 'socialist' but once you describe it, it is what people want. People want things like universal healthcare," he said. "Bernie is quite viable in the general election. The primary is his biggest hurdle."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/labor-leaders-clinton-support-risks-blowback/article/2572711
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)the general populous is primed for big change, is pissed at Establishment same ol', same ol'
business as usual; and I hope to God that labor isn't so tone-deaf that it misses this opportunity,
in 2016 to elect a president who is 100% on their side, in their corner, and is willing to fight
alongside them for restoration of workers' rights to a decent living wage for their labor.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)just to watch him cave.
Bernie came along at the right time.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)1) Unlike Obama when he took office, Bernie already knows how DC works, from the
inside out, and every which way, having been there for decades doing the right thing, for
labor, bur not only for labor, also for gays, for immigrants, against racial injustice, calling Wall St.
to account, for the environment, and across the board for Progressive & humane public policies.
2) Bernie can build on whatever progressive pro-labor advances Obama has made in the past 7 years.
3) America was NOT ready for a "socialist" POTUS 8 years ago, but as we're seeing, they are now.
4) Labor Unions (if they have a brain and are not corrupt) can put two and two together and see
the same window of opportunity that you and I see. I mean really, what do they have to lose?
5) Clinton's labor record sucks, insofar as she mid-wifed NAFTA & massive outsourcing of US jobs.
and is still refusing to even say she opposes the TPP..
should I go on? I don't think this is a complete list, but it feels good to notice all these things at once.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)One quibble: I can't think of a single progressive cause President Obama has advanced. Maybe I missed it?
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Mid-wifed NAFTA & subsequent massive outsourcing of US jobs, and still refuses to
say she would oppose the TPP.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)redruddyred
(1,615 posts)and should be the #1 priority of the democratic party
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)dae
(3,396 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)Back the candidate that supports them, or the candidate who backs trade for free.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It would seem that SOME labor leadership...falls into the Entrenched-Establishment crowd, just like others that we've been seeing over the last few weeks falling all over themselves for Ms. Inevitable.
They seem to have forgotten about all those little people (usually called "members" .
We'll see what those VOTING members have to say.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...but it sounds like some unions may too. There is a clear candidate for the working person. If labor leadership is backing the corporatist candidate, then members got to be wondering why.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)why it seems that the Entrenched are getting really nervous.
They don't want their compfy boat rocked.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)allowed many members to be swayed by Fox News and the gun issue. They could use a big shake up and get some younger leadership. The old guys have their establishment pols who have sold out unions but still give huge perks to leadership. Some of the union leadership act like the big CEO's with huge salaries and tons of benefits.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)PosterChild
(1,307 posts)...a partisan for sanders, not a disinterested analyst . And he seems to rely on Facebook for his public attitude research .
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)I'm not sure using facebook (among other things) is a bad idea though. A whole hell of a lot of people engage socially there more than they do anywhere else. Particularly among the young, people who grew up either having this, or some version of it. I'm not entirely certain how you could use facebook to get an accurate idea of public attitude, but I suspect that, using polls and statistics, it could certainly be done.
That said, I'm not convinced there's any such thing as a disinterested analyst.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)..... where is there any substantial or significant data to support his assertions ? If there was anything to this, he would have provided the evidence. This is, IMHO, an attempt to sucker the hopeful .
The Washington examiner itself is a right wing propaganda rag. I know, because it used to be delivered, unasked, to me, since I live in DC. Once again , IMHO , total right wing crap. My bet is they are hoping and praying for bernie because they know he would be unacceptable to the American people in the general election.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Examiner
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)...you are posting in the wrong group. And I think Facebook posts by members on a union's page to be pretty indicative. Of course, I was told that anyone could pretend to be a member and post. But I think that's nothing but deflection.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts).... I'll wait for the topic to come up elsewhere to respond.