what democratic insiders really think of bernie and democratic base

[Robbins]

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/insiders-to-clinton-lay-off-sanders-214594

the term looney toon is used to describe us.

[Lunabell]

1. Here we go

[merrily]

4. What maroons!

[nxylas]

2. Of course, you realise...

...this means war.

[Lunabell]

6. HaHa

Let's go get 'em!

[merrily]

26. It's been war for like forever. Too bad we've been so slow to grok that.

[merrily]

3. She will need votes from his supporters for the general. Hmmmm.

Where have I heard read that before?


Sounds like a bunch of people saying what they were told to say. Either that or it's one utterly clueless crowd.

Bernie Sanders play victim? When has anyone seen that?

Get the votes from his supporters? Don't they get it? Many of his supporters are formerly disaffected Democrats who are NOT going to vote for another New Democrat again ever in their lives. Or young people, already disillusioned with the system before they were old enough to vote.

Sure, his supporters also include hard core Democrats who have been waiting for a candidate like him all their lives and they will vote Democratic, no matter what--even after being called looney tune. But the comments are clueless or "scripted," or both.

By the way, how many of those quotes were attributed to a specific person by name?

[Lunabell]

5. Well,

if she happens to win the nomination I will hold my nose and vote for her. She is better that a rethuglican.

[merrily]

8. I have no doubt that his base includes what up until he ran were purely loyal LOTE voters.

But many of his votes will not be transferable, even if he strongly advises his voters to vote for Hillary--and I believe he will do exactly that.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

21. "Democrats who are NOT going to vote for another New Democrat again ever in their lives"

TRUTH


Lets say it actually comes down to Clinton vs Trump......

Both are dreadful and IMHO would be poor presidents however Trump would be way more fun to watch on the TV!

[merrily]

23. I know it's true. All my family members but one are Democrats--I'm talking

several generations that I know about, aunts, uncles, cousins, second cousins--the whole fam damily!

My oldest living relative is over 80. She was so turned off politics, though she still votes. (Duh. It's in our genes, I think!)

Nothing could have persuaded her to vote for a New Democrat. She was going to write in Elizabeth Warren for President. However, when I emailed her that Bernie Sanders was about to make an informal announcement that he was running for President, she got so excited again. So did all her children, who had also become totally turned off.

She would have voted for Sanders, no matter which Party ticket he ran on. And that is a woman who voted Democratic all her life, as did her parents and her grandparents. And that is only one example. Similar stories are all over facebook and reddit, but this 80 year old's multigenerational Democrat's story seems to me like the most dramatic.

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

24. Bernie running is the only reason I am still in the party today

Been in the party for over 30 years and will leave if the party chooses clinton as the the party nominee.

IF the majority wants another corporate dem as party leader so be it, I will just have nothing to the with the org if they do.

[merrily]

25. Some of the tactics that the Party has employed have been

incredibly distasteful and anti-democratic--and that's only the ones we know about. Those have given me pause, even more so than who might be the nominee. 2016 is only one election. If successful, though, that kind of --I don't even have words for it--will only get worse, election after election.

[Demeter]

32. Corruption

and maybe fraud

[merrily]

37. Thuggish, too. A quality I see in many posts on threads in which people disagree about candidates.nt

[YabaDabaNoDinoNo]

39. Ignore it, sticks and stones and all that also look where it is coming from too.

[merrily]

40. Pretty much, that is what I do. Most of my posting time is spent in this group.

[djean111]

7. What utter tripe that article is.

All it accomplished, for me, was to make me feel, more than ever, that the Democratic Party has oozed too far to the right, on a greasy trail of money.

And, yeah - getting stuff accomplished? I don't want to see war and more H-1B visas and more fracking, among other things - being accomplished. THAT is what I am afraid of.

[Scuba]

9. +1

[Enthusiast]

17. My sentiments, exactly.

[davidpdx]

22. Thanks for posting this

I was going to read the article, but after seeing your comment I'll skip it.

[JackInGreen]

10. Oh thothe kidthhh

They ain't theen loony yet BROTHER!! HOOHOOHOOHOO *bounces away*

[HooptieWagon]

11. It was just a childish Hillary supporter...

...doing her damnedest to make sure Hillary doesn't get votes from Sanders supporters in the GE, if she doesn't crash and burn first. We already know what the RW corporatist faction of the party thinks of democrats (small d), but it will be eye-opening to all the millenials who are registering Dem for the first time, in order to vote for Sanders in the primary. Hillary and her supporters are engaging in a scorched earth policy, the mark of a losing campaign.

[merrily]

27. It's beyond Hillary now. Win, lose or draw, the Party's tactics

will have long term deleterious effects on the Party.

[Demeter]

12. They who laugh last, laugh best

and I have a feeling there will be oceans of delight, as well as sniggering and other, less-innocent forms of amusement, come Nov. 2016.


I take special umbrage at the notion that Bernie's ideas are "unrealistic". The only unrealistic idea out there is that things can just keep merrily rolling along the way they have been....and Hillary will be coronated right on schedule, just like she was last time...

[merrily]

28. EXACTLY (but please leave merrily out of this)!

Yeah, I know: corny.

[Demeter]

33. I did hesitate before invoking your nom de guerre

but "Merrily we roll along..."

[merrily]

36. Couldn't resist. Of course, I don't expect people to stop using

the word "merrily," just bc it's my screen name. In fact, the more references to being merry, the merrier. I love the word.

[Scootaloo]

13. I lovethis line...

"As much as it would be personally satisfying to see her eat his lunch, it's not necessary or helpful,"

Or feasible, for that matter...

[merrily]

30. I noted that, too. Delusional.

As an aside, what has Bernie done to anyone that would make it so personally satisfying to watch anyone "eat his lunch," even assuming someone could?

No wonder some of us cannot distinguish between having a different political view and/or supporting a different candidate and "hating."

Shades of Nixon's "enemies list."

[SoapBox]

14. I'm very proud to be Looney for Bernie!

[ALBliberal]

15. With Hillary's newfound opposition to TPP and other positions she is taking

that are counter to Obama I don't think Biden will support her. Biden is very loyal to the President. Add to that the ad coming out about Biden's hesitancy to take out Bin Laden....I don't think Hillary is shoring up her connections to the White House. On the contrary she seems to be biting the hand that fed her. How does this affect the Obama Coalition? Won't it splinter and possibly support candidates other than Hillary?

[djean111]

20. For all we know, this stuff has been run past Obama. n/t

[merrily]

31. Yes, and at the end of the 2008 primaries is my guess as to when.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/details-of-obama-clinton-meeting-emerge/

I believe that the "secret" meeting described in the article, though, was for public consumption. The actual deal was reached a bit earlier, though perhaps not face to face in person.

[Demeter]

35. Then he's a bigger fool than even I suspected

[djean111]

38. Eh, he is out, he is done, he is likely out of politics and will do well in private life.

More Clintons and Bushes? Looks like it is just sort of a big money-fueled game, at the top.
Obama was never a fool, just not really much of an agent of actual hope and change. He said of himself that he was more like a moderate Republican, or something like that. Presidents come and go, but the power structure stays intact, is what it looks like to me.

[Demeter]

34. What coalition?

Obama's thrown everyone under the bus. I'm surprised Biden still hangs in there, but he's got a son fighting in Ukraine for the 1%....

[dae]

16. "Eat his Lunch", in what alternate reality do they live in!

Those Ar$e-wipe clowns don't have a clue what's happening around them and so much the better!

[madfloridian]

18. After what we Deaniacs were called in 04...nothing phases me.

[olddots]

19. the people at Politico are like unpaid P.A.s on a crappy TV movie set

they all want to grow up to be even more shallow than they are now .