*****DEBATE THREAD FOR BERNIE SANDERS GROUP*****

[dorkzilla]

FEEL THE BERN!!! Note: if you feel the burn its probably time to see a doctor. Just wanted to clarify that.

And now...let the SNOW begin!!!

[LiberalElite]

1. I'm already tired of looking at Hillary nt

[dorkzilla]

3. Yeah 10 seconds in and I’m ready to barf...

BERNIE ROCKS.

[LiberalElite]

11. Did they all get a memo - wear blue?

[dorkzilla]

15. Oh golly, I’m wearing red :(

[JackInGreen]

2. RedTwo- standing by

Look at the size of that thing....

[Marty McGraw]

254. For all With Limited Bandwidth

There's always an 'Audio Only' Version available

http://tunein.com/radio/CNN-s20407/

[merrily]

293. Er, the size of which thing?

[Scootaloo]

4. THis CNN intro is like fucking pro wrestling

Overly dramatic music! The "In a world..." movie trailer guy! Where's the pyrotechnics and Vince McMahon?

[LiberalElite]

13. I have the sound off eom

[Cassiopeia]

19. Where are the folding chairs and ladders at?

[SusanCalvin]

251. Wasn't that disgusting????

I, too, was intoning "In a wooooooooooooooorld." Looked like it was from Robocop or something.

[pablo_marmol]

315. FYI, the "In a world......" movie trailer guy passed away a few years ago.

http://www.donlafontaine.com/Index.html

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. That intro was nauseatingly 'infotainment'ish. nt

[dorkzilla]

9. My dad just left the room saying “is this a boxing match?"

I said “I think it may be..."

[MuseRider]

31. I thought it sounded

like Survivor! Good lord. There is nothing that cannot be cheapened.

[LWolf]

322. I thought I'd tuned in to the Oscars. nt

[dorkzilla]

6. How did Webb get in and not Lessing?

Just wondering...

[Scootaloo]

20. Webb knows a guy in the kitchen n/t

[dorkzilla]

23. *snort*

that may actually be true.....LOL.

[Fast Walker 52]

243. Webb's a kook

interesting guy and great resume, but he's a crank.

[Scootaloo]

244. Go Webb, drunk, you're home n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. Go, Bernie!

[Scootaloo]

8. BEASTMODE first on stage!

[SoapBox]

10. Oh my gawd...

Here we go!

Go Bernie!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

12. Well, very muted cheering from the crowd for Bernie, after gigantic noise for Hillary. nt

[LiberalElite]

16. Well, it's packed with her peeps, no?

[dorkzilla]

18. Wasn’t it an invitation kinda thing?

I think DWS stacked the deck, but Bernie is going to shine, I am sure.

[gateley]

21. I thought the reception for Bernie was more enthusiastic -- and I don't REALLY have a

dog in this show.

[merrily]

296. Really?

[Scootaloo]

24. That was good cheering. The "muting" was audio scaling, I think

[SoapBox]

33. That was my thinking.

I wonder how many showed up for the "rally" out front?

[dorkzilla]

53. Mine as well. nt

[dorkzilla]

57. So far it sounds like the “I’m JUST LIKE BERNIE” show. nt

[dorkzilla]

62. HERE HE IS!!!! GO BERNIE GO!!!! nt

[merrily]

294. the media is helping spread that lie too.

I think it the line "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" was from Henry IV.

we need to add "and faux journalists"

[retrowire]

32. No... Bernie's cheers were louder, it caused microphone muffling.

Bernie got rock star screaming. The amount of noise cancelled out the mics. Trust me, I've worked in TV. Bernie has this crowd. DDD

[gateley]

14. I just want ALL OF THEM to do well to knock the Republicans off the front page! nt

[BlueEye]

29. It's going to be a more serious debate.

Because the Democrats are a more serious party with an actual message, not the glossy bullshit tactics that we see with the GOP.

[HereSince1628]

37. I'm actually pretty good with Webb and Clinton not doing too well.

[gateley]

42. I have my preferences, but honestly, I don't want anyone to get knocked out who might

be THE one to keep the Republicans out.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

313. Bernie can beat any Repub.

And this is our moment in history, imo.

[merrily]

295. That would have happened long ago, if DWS had not decided Democratic candidates

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don't need 2 hours of free TV time, since Hillary can pay for as much as she wants and the Republicans could monopolize media for a while since Hillary wanted only four debates and delayed enough to disadvantage the other, less well known and less well funded candidates even more than they are already disadvantaged.

[valerief]

17. After Sheryl's song, Anderson didn't say, "Play ball!" nt

[elehhhhna]

178. Boy did she stink

[LiberalElite]

22. MORE FUCKING COMMERCIALS?

[JackInGreen]

26. Intro -add

Comment-add
response- add

We're in for a lot of marketing and little substance I fear

[dorkzilla]

27. Un-fucking-real

Smoke em if you got em, i guess...this is the only time they can “force” us to watch. This and the Superbowl.

[appalachiablue]

30. Al Jazeera is also airing the debate I just read in an OP in GD-P. I might check it out!

[potone]

25. Do they have to play such annoying music!

I'm irritated already!

[LiberalElite]

34. This is why I love my mute button nt

[JackInGreen]

28. My better half

Thinks Sheryl had a cold.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

35. Bernie was singing!

[Ed Suspicious]

36. Commercial break in progress. Forever.

[BigBearJohn]

38. CNN is sure pumping out the commercials. Start the debate already!!!

[LiberalElite]

39. It started - Chaffee is speaking nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

41. Yup, and note the 'I voted against the War' bit, heh. nt

[JackInGreen]

44. "Never has a scandal"

*sideswipe*

[Scootaloo]

40. Normally I blame my connection for choppy audio. But I think that Chafee actually talks like that

[Gregorian]

43. I'm having quinoa drenched in butter with soy sauce.

It's the best part of my day.

[restorefreedom]

45. yum! nt

[bluedigger]

46. CNN's online feed is useless.

Keeps buffering and reloading. Let me know if it's on youtube tomorrow.

[dorkzilla]

50. Do you have al jazeera?

Are you completely on the internet? There were a few threads today with links if you are.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

51. try http://www.zahitvstation.com/watch-cnn-usa-live

http://www.zahitvstation.com/watch-cnn-usa-live

[blaze]

68. That worked for a bit

but then I started getting script errors.

Damn

[bluedigger]

135. That seems to be working.

Thanks!

[PowerToThePeople]

78. Same here

what a joke.

[Scootaloo]

47. Oh my. Webb, get speech lessons, dude.

[dorkzilla]

48. Webb....why is a Republican running on the ticket?

There is something unnerving about this guy....

[LiberalElite]

54. Reminds me of the Sesame Street Song "one of these things (sic) is not like the others"

[stillwaiting]

58. We have several Republicans running for the Dem nomination.

Well EX-Republicans. Wink-Wink.

[Scootaloo]

59. He soudns remarkably like Trump in his delivery

Andhe had like, a ten-second hangup remembering his daughter's name.

Weird guy. Like the guy at the comic shop who just reads Ranma 1/2 and sweats.

...Maybe other people don't know that guy.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

49. O'Malley's first dig at Bernie - lifelong Dem. nt

[JackInGreen]

56. I kinda hope that we'll pop that boil

Tonight.

[elehhhhna]

181. Dig at Hil too

[cprise]

256. Yep, three former Rs on the stage...

And two of them are neocons, Clinton and Webb.

[SusanCalvin]

252. Yeah, I heard that.

And there was another a couple of sentences later, but now I've forgotten it. He slipped them in very smoothly.

[merrily]

297. No, that was a dig at Hillary, Chafee and Webb

I don't know why O'Malley seems bound and determined to knock the guy who is second out of place. OM cannot beat Hillary. Only someone whose policies are very different from hers has a shot.

[F4lconF16]

52. Checking in.

Watching with 20 old folks I've never met before, whoohoo

[Duckfan]

179. Checking in as well

I'm getting script errors too. Can't see it. Video later?

[Ed Suspicious]

55. Glitch in the matrix?

[LiberalElite]

60. Why are they apparently leaving her for last? nt

[Scootaloo]

71. How else will she go "What They Said"?

[LiberalElite]

80. HA!

[restorefreedom]

61. wating for the thunderous applause

after intro

[JackInGreen]

63. Bernie, STRAIGHT TO ISSUES

No Bullshit. But dude, say your name.

[cal04]

64. Not what I did but what is happening that we need to fix

whoa Bernie
You go!!

[LiberalElite]

65. I bet they say he's too serious nt

[LiberalElite]

229. What did I just miss - ? Him and her shaking hands? WTF?

I was clicking around elsewhere for a break

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

66. Bernie goes straight into the issues, doesn't talk about himself at all.

Good.

[Cassiopeia]

67. Launching right into it!!!

None of the family and i love god shit.

This is whats wrong! lets fix it!

Feelin' the BERN!

[gateley]

69. Bernie is the most passionate so far, IMO.

[dorkzilla]

82. totally agree!

My hubby just said “she’s so boring”.

[gateley]

97. She's better than Chaffe, O'Malley or Webb, IMO.

[cal04]

70. This is NOT about Bernie Sanders this is about the issues

YAY

[restorefreedom]

72. he cant even finish without applause!!, nt

[JackInGreen]

77. Right?!

Nows Hill....oh boy.

[Ed Suspicious]

73. YES!

[valerief]

74. Bernie is so smart. He got out his message at the get-go instead of blabbing

about himself. He's the only one making good use of this face time.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

83. Bernie was electrifying!

Hillary seems kind of boring afterwards

[think]

84. Knocking it out of the park from the start!

[JimDandy]

117. That was smart of him and he was forceful and passionate.

[retrowire]

75. BERNIEEEEE!!!

Wooo!!!

HE's keeping it real. Still has his fire and ambition. Not saying it with smiles. Thank you Bernie, THANK YOU.

He's the first to almost get applause in the middle of his intro!!!! TWICE!!!!

YESSS

[LiberalElite]

76. someone pls tell me what she says in 10 words or less

i can't listen to her bull.

[Scootaloo]

86. "I Love kids, and What Bernie Said. Paid family leave."

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

88. "I'm about kids and families and tax cuts for middle class, oh and no divides". nt

[global1]

90. She Said She's Looking For Ways For People To Get Ahead....

I think she was thinking 'especially me'.

[narnian60]

94. Hahahaha.

[JackInGreen]

100. See: Obama soundbites

"Anderson hit her HARD tho.

[merrily]

298. First woman President, Republicans, first woman President, Republicans, first....

well, you get the idea.

[Scootaloo]

79. UNNNNFFF Crowdgasm

[F4lconF16]

81. We'll see what Clinton says.

He's come off way stronger than any others so far.

Liking the point on energy and climate change.

Ooh wish he hadn't addressed the racial point with the connection to jobs, he should have made a clear point on race and racism. No mention of gender and lgbt equality?

Eh, far better than the others.

HRC: godgiven potential? Ewwwww.

[dorkzilla]

89. Platitudes and vagueness...

Jesus, how tiresome...

[F4lconF16]

93. Me?

Or Clinton? Or Sanders?

[dorkzilla]

326. Sorry, Hillary is who I was referring to! nt

[restorefreedom]

85. is it just me

or does hillary sound just like bernie?

h,mmmmmm

[dorkzilla]

91. She’s trying...but no way nt

[merrily]

300. NO.

[Ed Suspicious]

87. Bernie II just did a great job, but I prefer Bernie.

[LiberalElite]

99. She's his Mini Me nt

[Duckfan]

187. I hope she tries and flops live-as she's done in past

[LiberalElite]

92. I can't stand her facial expresssion.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

95. Wow, Anderson launches RIGHT into the flip flop question for Hill. nt

[restorefreedom]

96. whoa anderson!

will you say anything to get elected?

[Scootaloo]

102. And she dodges like Jackie Chan!

[HooptieWagon]

114. Lol!

[Geronimoe]

98. Hillary .... you lie

She said she was daughter of factory worker. He father was a successful business owner.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

101. He might have worked in a factory at some point.

My Dad had 4 or 5 jobs during his life.

ETA: Oh, she just said grandfather was factory worker, father small businessman.

[merrily]

302. Her father owned two busineses, one of which was supplying

draperies and other things made of fabric to hotel chains. They lived in a very affluent suburb; they had a second home on a lake; he bought a new car every year--a huge deal at that time-- and he was well-connected with Republicans, which is how a kid becomes a Goldwater Girl and gets invited to Republican National Conventions.

Between trying to run on her grandfather's work history, her mom's childhood (supposedly) and minimizing her father's business success, she is trying desperately to come off as someone who understands poverty or the working poor, but it's smoke and mirrors.

Shocking, huh?

[LiberalElite]

103. well, that too - she was saving that

for later (heh)

[HubertHeaver]

220. No, she said granddaughter.

I'll replay it later to clear that up but, I did hear granddaughter at least once.

[restorefreedom]

104. now she is a progressive

bwhahahahaha!

[stillwaiting]

112. I just can't. SMH. nt

[cprise]

257. After all these decades: Republican then New Democrat and now

suddenly "progressive".

[ozone_man]

275. Omg! Just last week she said she wasn't.

Flip flop. At least Anderson Cooper called her on that.

[dorkzilla]

105. I need some maple syrup for this waffle

Hillary sucks. She isn’t even fucking answering the questions.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

106. And right to Bernie about socialism! Anderson is going for the big questions right off the bat.

I actually applaud Anderson here.

[arcane1]

131. I agree. Notice how Hillary responded as if it was a democracy-reduction plan?

His comeback perfectly showed how she was pretending her universal platitudes didn't apply to all of them

[SusanCalvin]

255. This debate is actually decent.

Well, except for the intro.....

[litlbilly]

284. I agree, nice to see an actual debate on the issues.

I enjoyed it very much, and I basically hate debates because they are usually not debates. this was a debate for once. Cant wait for the next one

[JackInGreen]

107. BERNIE POUNDING IT

He's mighty excited.

[INdemo]

270. Bernie will no get any credit or any

positive vibes from the political "expert" analysts They want Hillary..Wall Streets Princes.

[LiberalElite]

108. Bernie's giving them their lines nt

[cal04]

109. Bernie is doing great explaining

lots of cheers

[Scootaloo]

110. Bernie pins the question down and beats the fuck out of it!

"Where's my money, question! Where's my money?!"

[dorkzilla]

111. GREAT ANSWER - CASINO CAPITALIST!!!!

BRAVO!!!!

[restorefreedom]

113. hillary defending capitalism

yeah that will fly

[Duckfan]

201. Did Bernie get a home run??

I'm missing this.

[restorefreedom]

204. bernie is nailing it on economics

right now doing foreign policy

[Geronimoe]

115. CNN on line goes into buffering

whenever Bernie speaks.

The fix is in.

[flying_wahini]

262. That wouldn't surprise me

Wondering if GOP is involved...

[merrily]

309. In both the pre-show and after show commentary, two out of the three outside

commentors were Brazile, a vice-chair of the DNC (and Presidential campaign head for then DLCer Gore), and Begala who runs a Hillary PAC.

Brazile, however, gave Bernie more favorable defenses than I expected.

[LiberalElite]

116. She's looking perturbed heh heh

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

118. Hillary obviously expected and prepared for Bernie's explanation on capitalism vs socialism. nt

[SoapBox]

119. Ah ha! She loves her some CAPITALISM!

Well...we know she's a Corporatist!

[retrowire]

129. Yep, she was quick to defend capitalism. She took that from Bernie. Yeesh... n/t

[LiberalElite]

120. chaffee like a block of granite (??) he 's never changed - just like Bernie nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

121. And Anderson goes after Chafee and mistakes 'socialist' for a political party... nt

[Gregorian]

122. Bernie makes me happy. The concept is boiled down so all can understand.

[cal04]

123. we're the United States of America so why do we look like this in NY State?

LI cost of living at 'alarming' levels, report shows
The cost of living on Long Island has reached "alarming" levels, with residents at nearly every income level struggling with some of the nation's highest taxes, according to a new report by an anti-tax think tank.

[RoccoR5955]

124. Question...

If Clinton was "working all her life for the middle class," what was she doing, working for Goldwater?

[SusanCalvin]

291. Please (from a Bernie supporter)

She was 17. I read Ayn Rand when I was 17. Hope we're not permanently disqualified.....!

[merrily]

310. I don't care what the story for public consumption is.

I will always frimly believe she was a Republican until she met Bill--and he's a Third Way triangulator who grew up in the Jim Crow South with Fullbright as his biggest political ally and mentor.

Things that allegedly happened before she met Bill that supposedly show that she turned away from Republicans before she met Bill are false or unverifiable and/or implausible.

Supposedly, she left the Republican National Convention that nominated Rockefeller when she heard racist comments. Unverifiable and unplausible. 17 or not, she was a Goldwater Girl and had heard it before.

Supposedly, she did a paper on Alinsky. Yes, attacking him. (This paper was kept secret by Wellesley during the 2008 primary, but was put online after that primary. Why was it soimportant to keep a college paper secret during the 2008 primary? )

Supposedly, she attacked Senator Brooke in her college graduation speech. I read the speech. No attack, at least not for any of his Republican views.

And BTW, even at 17, I would never have been a cheerleader for a Presidential candidate who thought Jim Crow was a states' rights issue--and I literally was a cheerleader at 17. (OK, stop laughing.)

[RoccoR5955]

316. I think that people get a good grasp of lifetime values

well before 17.
If Clinton was 17 when she supported Goldwater, she should not go around saying that she has been a "lifelong" Democrat. In her early life she was a RepubliCON. When I was 17 I was backing Dems. When I was 7 I was backing Dems. There certainly IS a difference from what Clinton is calling herself, and from what many of us actually are.

[Warpy]

125. Well, it's "git Bernie" time, my gawd, Martha, he's a Socialist!

Whatever you do, don't play a drinking game around the words "middle class." Play Bingo, instead.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/10/politics/democratic-debate-bingo/

[Stargleamer]

126. Anderson's questions are a lot more critical than any the Republican candidates get in their debates

for the most part.

[F4lconF16]

127. Clinton on capitalism:

Fuck capitalism, we're America, go capitalism!

What the fuck?

Meh to Sanders answer too. Come on, just say no: own it.

He's a social democrat, barely a Democratic Socialist. He's a moderate FDR liberal. Let us know that, don't waffle on this. He could be much stronger if he asserts that no, he does not believe in socialism, he believes in a mixed economy. That's where America is at, it's what people will respond to.

[JackInGreen]

140. I kinda agree

He could have been more direct. I have to remind myself 'still a politician....still a politician...'

[F4lconF16]

145. But a good one.

God, he's like a breath of fresh air, and I'm not really even that big of a fan.

[cprise]

260. He could give UK Labour as an example of democratic socialist

but that might not sound patriotic enough.

[leftcoastmountains]

128. Bernie seems nervous.

I'm hoping he warms up. Sorry.

[retrowire]

134. He will. No doubt. They're all nervous honestly.

Hillary is trigger happy. She's pretty afraid, she was quick to interrupt and take a question from Bernie.

Bernie is being careful.

[Scootaloo]

130. Anderson Cooper is kinda the Genghis Khan of debate moderation

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

138. And I'm liking it, heh.

I notice everyone seems to be going overtime a bit now and then - Anderson has had to try and break in on everyone but Webb now I think.

[Old Crow]

305. Scootaloo, I figured your debate comments...

... would be hilarious. You did not disappoint.

[cui bono]

132. Bernie's the only one who doesn't sound like a politician.

Everyone else is a snoozefest.

[dorkzilla]

143. Hey there twin!

Was wondering when you’d show up!

[cui bono]

150. Hi! I'm at work so can only post while the computer is doing my work.

Then when I have to type and click I have to get back to it.

[dorkzilla]

158. Gotcha...

[cal04]

133. Face the Nation question

https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation
Who got the better of the exchange just now on capitalism & socialism? #DemDebate

[LiberalElite]

136. VOTE - she's winning that one eom

[roguevalley]

162. 100% goes to bernie. :D

[F4lconF16]

137. Yikes, that was a baaaaad answer from Webb.

Holy cow, that was bad.

[dorkzilla]

170. He sucks. nt

[INdemo]

263. I think it is ironic that Wall St firms NYSE

and large banks (Bank of America) are the sponsors of CNN coverage...Especially since there was much debate about Wall St.

[restorefreedom]

139. uh oh guns.... nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

141. Ouch, don't like the third person reference there. nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

142. Hillary left the door open for Bernie

re small business. Bernie pounced.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

144. And here comes the Hill attack on Bernie on guns. nt

[restorefreedom]

146. oh fuck!

hillary, when are you going to stop protecting the banks?

ok bernie tske the gloves off NoW

[JackInGreen]

147. He made that distinction well

And Hill hit back pretty hard.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

156. I think that was her big attack for the night on Bernie.

It might work to her disadvantage that it was this early in the debate. Sure she spiked up on it, but will it last?

[valerief]

148. Hillary, the warmonger, is dissing Bernie for violence???? nt

[JackInGreen]

151. She ignored

The distinction he made in why and what he supports. I don't expect better.

[kath]

149. HRC looks and sounds like a robot

And makes me want to

[Rosa Luxemburg]

152. Hillary has been practiciing

Bernie is a natural

[INdemo]

167. Hillary practiced

with Bill?

[merrily]

312. Of course not. She's totally independent of Bill.

Unless she isn't.

[F4lconF16]

154. Honestly, Webb and O'Malley are worse right now.

I am really disliking O'Malley.

Some respect for Chafee's performance, it's been decent.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

163. O'Malley's getting some jabs in now on guns against Bernie.

And Bernie's 'You have never been in the Senate' reply may not play well with some.

[F4lconF16]

183. Eh, I think he's got that issue. He seems off otherwise.

Sanders was a little weak on the military force issue.

Simple: don't use it unless we're directly attacked.

Then do every damn thing you can to avoid it.

#strongpacifist, #fuckwar

[MissDeeds]

160. And she's got that damn bobble head

thing going. I can't stand her!

[dorkzilla]

153. WHERE THE FUCK IS MERRILY? nt

[JackInGreen]

172. Not here :(

But hopefully before it's done?

[dorkzilla]

185. WHY?? Whhhhhyyyyyyy? :) nt

[merrily]

307. You are a very naughty poster.

I was offline during the debate. I was only going to read this thread and go on to other things. Once I saw your "where the fuck is merrily" post, though, I start posting all over the thread. As I have no free will or self control whatever, I blame you.

Luckily for you, I am a forgiving sort, though.

[dorkzilla]

320. I sowwy

Glad you made it, and grateful for your forgiveness

[merrily]

324. It was a great thread. Y'all had fun!

[LiberalElite]

184. I just sent Merrily a DU mail msg nt

[merrily]

306. Sorry, LE. I was not online.

[merrily]

303. .

[Gregorian]

155. I think Bernie nailed the gun issue. He understands the heart of the problem.

Not the worst debate Ive seen

[restorefreedom]

157. they better fucking well

go after hillarys iwr vote and her cozy wall street buddies

[INdemo]

159. Bernie Sanders was set up on the gun control issue

by Cooper..Hillary had her rehearsed lines to come back with the Brady bill issue but Bernie overcame

[Rosa Luxemburg]

164. Bernie did a good job at addressing the gun issue

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

169. yeah

We seem to be spending a LOOOOOONG time talking about guns, one of the few 'vulnerable' areas for Bernie compared to other folks.

[leftcoastmountains]

173. I thought he did a good job.

He's hitting his stride!

[BlueEye]

161. Bernie represents his constituents.

A lot of people own guns in Vermont. A lot of those people vote for Bernie. I really don't see anything wrong with it.

Unfortunately, Bernie is taking a real beating on guns right now.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

165. So, I notice every other topic went by pretty quickly, but we sure seem to be dwelling on GUNS quite

a long time.

[global1]

166. Looks Like O'Malley Wants To Be Hillary's VP....nt

[cui bono]

168. Hillary enjoying O'Malley going after Sanders...

is he vying for VP (of a losing candidate)?

[TBF]

195. What else would he be vying for -

no one knows who he is.

[INdemo]

171. Bernie is being set up and he is doing great to overcome.

Hillary is __________________________________

[restorefreedom]

174. whoa..,chafee on hiklarys war vote! nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

175. Hah. Hill, More WAR! Bernie, Less WAR! Chafee - Clinton is too warlike! nt

[TBF]

176. Lincoln Chaffee is right about her lack of judgment. nt

[cui bono]

177. Chaffe did HIS homework. BAM!!!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

180. Oh, Bernie is going to fight back! He's whacking on Clinton for voting for War to get back for the

gun attack.

[Perogie]

182. CNN is using Chafee and Webb and O'Malley to set up Clinton responses

It's obvious because they always go to Clinton after each one to get her response.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

190. It was sort of to be expected.

Just as Trump got more time, she will too, because she's taking the most whacks from the guys with no polling.

She's really going over time, Anderson thanked her 3 times, heh.

[angrychair]

186. Hoping for a stronger line on gun control

Take the guns. An Australian or UK model would be ideal.

[dorkzilla]

188. Me too.

I love Bernie but I’m hoping he “evolves” more on this.

[merrily]

308. He has been. His record was not anywhere near as it has been made out to be and

that was probably because his job is to represent the state of Vermont.

[TBF]

191. They will lose with that line -

Americans are not going to vote for taking away guns. To think this nation is in any way similar to the culture of UK/Australia is a mistake. The dem nominee will lose every state with that position.

[LiberalElite]

197. We have one thing they don't -

that goddamn second amendment. Guns are probably here to stay. (Not that i like that - I don't.)

[TBF]

203. We need much stronger controls -

but we saw how well prohibition worked in this country. Americans do not respond well to being told they can't have or do something.

[LiberalElite]

208. Yup.

[angrychair]

215. Do you know anyone from AU?

Or paid attention to the debate that came about from that change?
Australia has some very rough country and a history of hunting that is longer than the history of the United States.
At the end of the day the Aussie on street is very happy that their country made that change and would never go back.

[TBF]

228. It's not a unilateral decision here -

many people will base their voting on that issue. It won't happen.

[stone space]

250. I agree.

Hoping for a stronger line on gun control

[global1]

189. Oops!!! Maybe O'Malley Just Wants To Be VP No Matter Who's The Nominee...nt

[elehhhhna]

194. webb is a dick

[Duckfan]

192. Is Bernie doing good enough for bigger poll numbers afterwards?

Please tell me.

[F4lconF16]

196. No, not yet.

He hasn't been clear enough, I feel like. Better than the rest but still feels off.

[leftcoastmountains]

206. I agree. He sounds better than earlier but

to be honest Hillary has it so far. I'm just trying to
be objective which is difficult of course.

[F4lconF16]

209. Yeah I agree.

Unfortunately.

He's doing well on the CO question.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

199. Depends on who is watching.

I think he is if he's reaching people who haven't heard much about him so far. But there were OP's suggesting that most Americans didn't even know the debate was tonight.

[Scootaloo]

193. Webb's on the wrong fucking ticket. GTFO Webb

[valerief]

198. He's there for the DINO votes. nt

[merrily]

311. IMO, he's there to make Hills look liberal in comparison.

[humbled_opinion]

241. LOL... He sure is...

[restorefreedom]

200. here she goes

defending her hawk views

no thanks hill

[cui bono]

202. OMGZ!!!!! Bernie just tied Hillary's shoelaces together!!!

I saw him duck down!!!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

205. Webb has been kinda getting screwed on airtime compared to the rest.

Which I can acknowledge, even if I disagree with him a lot.

[LiberalElite]

207. Comments on Reddit Sanders

don't think he's doing so well.

[F4lconF16]

212. He needs to be clearer.

This is the time to make a strong stand. Nobody else is, and that's what Sanders is supposed to be about.

[LiberalElite]

219. He started out that way though -

the first two minute segment when the rest were all "story of my life" he launched right into what has to be fixed.

[leftcoastmountains]

214. I don't disagree.

I think Hillary is doing better and Bernie 2nd.

[dorkzilla]

217. Interesting...can you link?

I think they’ve treated Sanders like the front-runner, not Hillary. I think he’s really holding his own, but I’d love to hear what the youngis are a sayin’

[LiberalElite]

221. Here ya go - scroll down a little

https://np.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3onmad/official_rsandersforpresident_democratic_debate_1/

[LiberalElite]

258. The reddit Sanders comments have improved somewhat -

https://np.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3onmad/official_rsandersforpresident_democratic_debate_1/

[restorefreedom]

210. war should be the last resort! nt

[wundermaus]

211. What a terrible debate.

Hilary is getting unprecedented exposure. Fortunately, Bernie is cleaning her clock but as for the other candidates? They might as well join the audience.

Thank goodness Bernie is doing so well.

But....

One of the worst debates I have ever witnessed.
Pathetic.

[TBF]

213. Climate Change - bingo. nt

[Gregorian]

216. Bernie is truly perfect. Can we please have him for president? kthanksbye

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

218. I'm having a harder time refreshing as the comment stream is getting so long.

Could we maybe have a 'Debate Thread #2' started? Or do you really want it all to stay under one OP?

[dorkzilla]

225. I can do that! nt

[secondwind]

222. GO BERNIE!!!!!!

[leftcoastmountains]

233. Good job! Tells it like it is! Tells CNN enough with the emails.

[restorefreedom]

223. hillary..or is it joan of arc?

emails they are attacking me...i am still standing blah blah

[INdemo]

224. As a Vietnam Vet I was satisfied with Bernie's response about

his CO status

[JackInGreen]

226. "SICK and TIRED of hearing about your damn emails "

Our Man. Fuck yes.

[glinda]

230. Woot woot

[TBF]

232. I only saw the end - did he really say that? ha!

[JackInGreen]

237. Yup

The crowd went nuts!
His answer just got interrupted by an amber alert tho'.

[LWolf]

321. I had an amber alert as well...

although I don't think it was at that moment in the debate; a bit later on.

[w0nderer]

238. he did

hillary grinned as he covered her, then reached over a hand thanked him with a wide grin

[w0nderer]

235. snap, beaten by seconds

*thumbs up*

[glinda]

227. Hillary will be badgered if she becomes POTUS

Never ending badgering.

[w0nderer]

231. enough with the email !

moral highroading it and getting a 'thanks' handshake and smile from hillary


that's how to create a bern

[merrily]

314. They announced after the debate that that comment won the internet.

So, at a mimimum, it may have been good for increasing his name recognition.

[INdemo]

234. What did Bernie just do with the E-mail

issue....Awesome comment Great response.

[questionseverything]

236. bernie is such a gentleman...he just stuck up for hillary over the email thing

n/t

[LiberalElite]

239. Ahhh - so that's why they were shaking hands -

i was clicking around elsehwere on DU - the next thing I know - WTF??

[w0nderer]

249. that was why n/t

[d_legendary1]

247. He took the knife out of her back

Not that he needs to use it. Very classy!

[dorkzilla]

240. Hey kids - we’re moving over to part 2...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128061721

[F4lconF16]

242. Damn, Sanders had the race question to himself.

No one else was close. Good on him. Wasn't perfect, but none of them will be.

[Duckfan]

245. Ok Did Bernie do well enough for better poll numbers?

[F4lconF16]

246. On that issue and the banks?

Oh yeah.

[w0nderer]

248. signable line

in my opinion "congress doesn't regulate wall street, wall street regulates congress"

[Babel_17]

253. The hard questions for Sanders have been asked, honestly answered ...

The hard questions for Sanders have been asked, honestly answered and now the horror of the unknown is gone.

His main opponent, imo, has not really gotten a handle on the issues that will continue to haunt her, and in some cases only raise more doubt.

Sanders was a ship that never had to take such a public broadside. He is showing himself to be an Old Ironsides. The hits leave a mark but he looks all the more impressive for having been through the test of fire. Secretary Clinton has shown she can take a hit, over, and over, and over. It's impressive in its way, but the damage is having an effect and I see her campaign as listing from it.

P.S. Who's hosting the next debate, and where and when? Thanks in advance for any info.

[BeanMusical]

259. Hillary badly wants Snowden in Jail, or worse.

[d_legendary1]

261. I wish Hillary would stop with the first female president schtik

People are too tired, hungry, and sick to worry about making trivial history. A female president is the last thing they are worried about. They want job security, a good education for their children, and a decent retirement.

[BeanMusical]

264. She's a Washington outsider because she's a woman?

[w0nderer]

265. on a state level is the same as many countries in the world

normally not a H supporter but smart sound bite

[d_legendary1]

267. I think she said a state as big as some countries in the world

But well said on debunking Carly Fiorina's bogus statement.

[w0nderer]

278. either way

(some of the smaller countries in europe)

In reality she's got a point, many countries in europe are the size of states in the us)

or to phrase it more correctly

many of the states of the EU
are the same size as states of the US

either way

just because it works on a small scale doesn't mean it doesn't work on a large scale

[d_legendary1]

281. That is true

And Fiorina still remains a liar.

[w0nderer]

286. i see no reason to comment on truth n/t

[quakerboy]

317. Just because something works on a "small" scale doesnt mean

it doesn't work on a large scale either.

I'm not sure you can credibly arguer that scaleability is really an issue when you are getting into the millions of people. ie a program supported by and supporting 5 million people, cant be used by a similar demographic that has 30 million people. Sure, what works for 100 may not work for 5 million. But 5 million to 10 million seems eminently doable. But it seems a lot like dating. A 15 year old dating a 25 year old looks a bit dodgy. But when you are 75, dating a 65 year old ain't such a big deal.

And even if there was some sort of scaleability issue.. So it works for Denmark. Denmark is more populous than the majority of our states. So you do it in Oregon. And then do it again in Nevada. And again in South Carolina. You dont have to scale, just repeat, and your problem solves itself.

[d_legendary1]

318. And raise taxes

Those nice programs aren't cheap either. Ending corporate welfare is a great way to get them started.

[d_legendary1]

266. No position on weed for HRC

You'd think Bubba would have changed her mind about that...Speaking of which, my pizza is here!

[BeanMusical]

271. Same old song: We have to wait and yada yada yada.

[John Poet]

273. She said she was against legalization right now.

Seemed like a clear position to me.

Just one more reason I'm against her. It's the "careful Hillary"--
the POLITICALLY careful Hillary--
the same one that took forever to support gay marriage...
the same one that voted to give Bush power to make war on Iraq.

[d_legendary1]

276. As Cooper pointed out its been more than a year since she made that statement

And is still against legalization. What more does she need? Tax the damn plant and stop putting people in jail for possession. She can't have it both ways.

[Overseas]

268. So glad Bernie is doing an excellent job! He has had strong replies on so many issues.

So glad he's emphasizing getting more people out to vote as a kind of citizens' revolution.

And he's demonstrating the way to talk about ideas that bring millions together.

[Overseas]

285. MSNBC says Bernie lost on guns but he didn't. He has a more effective approach-- not alienating gun

owners but bringing them in on the basic protections we all want first.

He knows all kinds of paranoid fantasies have been encouraged by gun industry PR flacks and reformers need to tread carefully to welcome more people in to reforming a dangerous situation.

I can see value in Hillary's forthright approach but I also appreciate Bernie's more careful stance.

[mobeau69]

269. Go Bern Dog. AC is a Moron.

eom.

[Old Crow]

272. Webb on enemies: "The enemy soldier that I killed."

~crickets~ ...

[LiberalElite]

274. Webb doesn't seem to have many recent references eom

[BeanMusical]

280. Yeah that was very disturbing.

[Old Crow]

282. Very awkward. He thought it would get laughs, but... awkward.

[tomm2thumbs]

289. Webb was like the angry neighbor, mad at the debate, mad at the world.. GOP-like

He ate up oxygen without putting it to good use

[Old Crow]

299. Agreed. There were a few times...

... when he kept going on, saying things like "You've given them 10 minutes!", that it got awkward. Not a good night for him. At the debate's end, I saw him shaking hands with the other candidates but not making eye contact with them, and it seemed he couldn't get off the stage fast enough. Actually, I feel a bit sorry for him at this moment. He and his wife do sound like good people who've accomplished a great deal.

[tomm2thumbs]

301. On the flip side, he's doing well on the Drudge Report poll...

I think you are right, it was unfortunate... but he's a politician and should know impressions matter, and it looks like he was unable to manage his emotions onstage at the smallest of things, and that does not bode well for how he might act on larger issues...

[Old Crow]

304. Agreed.

If he wanted more time, which was understandable, he needed to be able to cajole the narrator with some grace. He didn't manage that and came off looking a bit hot-headed. I wish him well in government, but he's not the president this country needs right now. (Although, I have to say, he has a point about China. )

[TBF]

319. Drudge is extremely right-wing so that

is about right. He's running on the wrong ticket. He's like a young John McCain.

[Geronimoe]

277. Hillary ... our best days are ahead

After Bill Clinton deregulated the Banks and caused serious damage to the middle class,.

[KansDem]

279. "Damn emails!"

I truly believe that's the line that won it for Sanders!

[w0nderer]

283. k&r n/t

[INdemo]

287. I think Hillary perpared herself to make this a one on one debate against Bernie Sanders

she was only able to perhaps get to Bernie on the Socialist issue a little but the free education issue was more rhetoric for her and she knew his objective was for middle class families education.;.
Hillary brought up the issue about free education for Trumps kids? Bernie Sanders should have said and asked Hillary How many millionaires do you know that send their kids to public colleges?

The media will dissect this debate and bring out things out of context that will make her look like a political dream candidate and make Bernie out as a political outcast..

Hillary Clinton is the Wall Street Princess.

[glinda]

290. She counts on the public To not know facts.

[Scalded Nun]

288. I want to hear more about socialism

I think Bernie needs to focus his comments on socialism towards the things he stands for...Social Security, ACA/Medicare for all, free public Uni tuition, etc.

But while he does that he also needs to turn the vitriol republicans (and the MSM) spew about HIS socialism and point to their embracing of socialism, that being socializing risk and loss within banking, Wall street, Insurance companies. The middle class has been robbed bind by the right's version of socialism.

EVERY time someone throws his socialism in his face he needs to come back with THEIR socialism and contrast the 2.

[w0nderer]

292. right? i asked earlier(I grew up under social democracy, and liked it)

and asked
social democracy vs democratic socialism


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027257264



i listened to the whole debate
he sounded social democrat to me..it's possible he's holding back but i don't know

[Myrina]

323. I agree.

I think he could have done just a tic better at explaining the difference between Democratic Socialism and 'the big evil fringe Socialism' that everyone - including McCaskill, Frank and Wasserman-Schultz - are painting him as part of. That's my only criticism.

[rhett o rick]

325. I admit I was nervous before the debate. I think Anderson Cooper was fair but he did try to

instigate bad feelings but Sen Sanders didn't take the bait. He was on point at all time and not afraid to interrupt. HRC hedged on a number of issues. And when discussing the excesses of Wall Street that lead to the crash, she said, as NY Senator she went to Wall Street before the crash and asked them to back off their speculating. Sen Sanders heard that and nicely commented that Wall Street needs more than talking to.

HRC is also a master of rhetoric. She wants all Americans to have the opportunities to make it big like her and Bill. Sounds great but means absolutely nothing. Where Sen Sanders says he wants to tax Wall Street speculation to help pay for college educations, HRC says she wants students to work for their tuition and ask the states to keep tuition down. How terribly absurd. States will either ignore the plea or tell her to go to hell. Secondly, she apparently is out of touch with the fact that since she went to college, expenses have skyrocketed and wages haven't and jobs have been shipped overseas by corporate sponsored "Free Trade" deals.