Bernie Sanders
Related: About this forumHillary's campaign's attack on the VA: Swift-boating.
Whoever is managing Hillary's campaign is putting her on the path of the Swift-Boaters of Kerry with her statements about the VA.
This will not stand.
Hillary is attacking Bernie on his strengths.
Dirty campaigning. Dishonest campaigning.
Republicans love war but don't want to pay for it. They don't even want to pay for the VA.
Is the VA perfect?
No. No healthcare system is "perfect."
Bernie has fought for veterans against the enormous irresponsibility of the Republicans. Bernie has fought for veterans against all odds.
Nobody cares for the veterans like Bernie.
Hillary should be ashamed of herself.
Always playing the victim and then campaigning in a dishonest way that is just like Republicans.
Hillary! This is dishonorable.
For the Hillary campaign, the motto is do what it takes no matter the cost. We Bernie supporters will not be fooled by Swift-Boating.
This is shameful and dishonest.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)"Whatever It Takes To Win" is the mantra.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The Republicans in Congress, many of them, want to privatize the VA, and make it nothing more than a pass-through system to move money to private providers. First, they cut funding to overburden the system. Then they express outrage... OITRAGE!... when the overburdened system grinds to a halt, or at least to a slow crawl. I can see why Clinton might want voters to blame Sanders for problems at the VA, but she doesn't need to brig it up, seeing as how she's so far ahead. It just gives the Republicans more ammunition to kill the VA.
Autumn
(45,082 posts)This is all about Hillary and her goal to be the first woman president. It doesn't matter if a program that helps Vets that she voted to send into harms way fails.
glinda
(14,807 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I think she just wants to be president really, really badly. I don't think she would behave any differently if she were a man and she would be running a very similar campaign.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)She's just getting warmed up.
TBF
(32,060 posts)I have a family member (Vietnam Vet) being taken care of in one of the VA hospitals that is connected to a teaching hospital. He has always gotten amazing care and it is free - including all his dental appts and eyeglasses.
Hillary Clinton embarrasses us yet again.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)And the VAs do a lot of teaching.
But then Republicans don't understand that it costs money and you have to have a structure to train doctors (and teachers).
Faux pas
(14,675 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)Although, when I see that big "H" with the arrow pointing right, I assume the same thing.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)People are so tired of nasty political smears and dirty tricks, I just hope they are smart enough to see what she's doing.
n8dogg83
(248 posts)on working with him to improve the VA. He talked about how Bernie was able to reach across the aisle to get bipartisan legislation through even though there were strong differences of opinion. That's leadership, and McCain did Bernie a big favor I think. All Bernie has to do on his next news network appearance is say: Yes there were some serious problems with the VA, and I was able, with my republican colleagues, to come together and pass bipartisan legislation to help improve the system. We still have a lot of work to do to improve the VA as it stands but I am proud of the work we did to address the problem."
IllinoisBrenel
(51 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)help vets and many other Americans for years. The recent bogus charges against him are deliberate attempts to avoid and distract from so many critical issues that need covering. The online forum flame wars and stories drifting into the corporate media news cycles now from these negative efforts are a waste of valuable time and it's just nonsense. The tactic is also very old and politically unwise.
Claims that Bernie hasn't done his best for the VA and vets, that he's a sexist for a phrase he's long known to use and absurd smears are an insult to him and offensive to many people, especially women. I'm getting this from female colleagues, friends, three sisters and millennials. The distain is being expressed online in social and progressive media as well.
Cut the rubbish and start focusing on the candidates' records and stances re: TPP, Keystone XL, climate change, racism and social justice, income inequality, Wall Street and Glass Steagall, prison incarceration, criminal justice system reform, immigration reform, investing in education and jobs, preserving the middle class, and protecting and strengthening the social safety net.
It's a lot of work, let's get started because this country has many serious problems.
Teagan
(62 posts)Creating veterans.
Bernie has been 100% right on the veterans through his entire political career.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)The clintons unlike their supporters here don't think race is over.
Swiftboating bernie on the VA.Trying to call bernie as well as those who support him sexist.and trying to rewrite history on DOMA
is similar to their tacits against Obama.why would she bother if bernie wasn't seen as threat.
The Clintons earn my disdain for them.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Bernie is a serious threat to her campaign. Anyone that says Clinton doesn't want those big crowds is either a fool or a liar.
This campaign is just getting started and Clinton will make it ugly. It's what she does.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)To the Clinton machine is that he keeps pulling the conversation to the left. Hilary's been saying/promising a lot of progressive things that she 1) doesn't believe and 2) has no intention of honoring. The only reason she's been forced into even discussing the issues we progressives hold dear is because of Bernie.
FWIW...Hillary completely lost me years ago, the moment she gave that impassioned speech on the Senate floor in support of the IWR 😡
floriduck
(2,262 posts)confirm Bernie's supporters will vote for Hillary in the GE. That takes some huge Donald Trump size balls.
The real question is, after their candidate swims through the campaign mud and fails, will the shouters back Bernie!?
but i have seen clinton supporters acting like race is over.
Bernie will soon be on air with tv ads.and at next debate i doudt he will defend her like he did on emails.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)On a large 2 foot by 3 foot foam board write
HONK
FOR
BERNIE
Go to a busy intersection and hold the sign up high so the drivers can read it.
A couple of things will happen, it might get loud with horns honking and others will realize how many supporters he has.
Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.
Then Bernie will win.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)due to the Bernie stickers on my truck.
I'm starting to see more of them pop up here in SW FL as well. Still have yet to catch a Hillary sticker.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Yet, something allowed their teams to completely have no reservation for running a dirty campaign.
I think Bush/Rove were unconscionable in their attack on Kerry, but at the point they started it, what had been a likely Bush landslide had turned - maybe because of Kerry's and other Democrats' attacks and or events - into what could be a close race. Anyone who saw the internet primary ads, where Kerry's vets spoke of his leadership, compassion and caring, saw that going forward, these non political character recommendations contrasted with Bush's bad boy until 40 story. This made attacking Kerry necessary -- and specifically against those testimonials that completely refuted the media generated negative characterization of Kerry - necessary.
HRC's attacks on Bernie as "sexist", a gun nut, and now - not doing enough for vets are more gratuitous. She is very likely to win. It is mystifying why she is purposely doing this as it could make it really hard for many who ordinarily don't vote, who are out because Sanders inspired them.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Sooner than I might have thought...they ARE really concerned.
And that is good.
She is already flip-flopping all over the place (aka "evolving" .
And that leads into TRUST...certainly shows why she cannot be trusted on anything she says....however, her track record of big money, big power and war machine support is solid.
Better take anything she says with a whole lot of suspicion.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)Sure okay, it must depend on what is, is.
McCain has arleady made a statement defending Bernie's important work for the VA.
It is shameful that the oposition party feels a need to defend Bernie from Hillary's mud slinging.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)but not unexpected.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Enthusiast
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jkbRN
(850 posts)When repubs always cut the budget!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)What is this all about?
Bernblu
(441 posts)So, Hillary runs on Bernie's issues and attempts to swiftboat him on sexism and veterans! What a dishonorable, disgusting campaign she is running. I am life time Democrat and have supported every candidate since George McGovern but it's becoming that she will be the very first Democrat I will not support should she be nominated.