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Bernie Sanders (Group): this is a good group. (Original Post) delrem Nov 2015 OP
You're wonderful, too! Fawke Em Nov 2015 #1
... CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #2
The heart is our home, it's where we live aspirant Nov 2015 #3
Hugs. 840high Nov 2015 #4
It's a very good place! SoapBox Nov 2015 #5
I agree Lordquinton Nov 2015 #6
I remember having just such a thought delrem Nov 2015 #11
I like it too. Thank you. roguevalley Nov 2015 #7
Glad you found us! Demeter Nov 2015 #8
You might not like the SOP change I was thinking of suggesting hootinholler Nov 2015 #9
"No maudlin posts!" delrem Nov 2015 #10

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
6. I agree
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:08 AM
Nov 2015



(Please note this is in jest as a comment about how nice the place is, not some subtle commentary)

delrem

(9,688 posts)
11. I remember having just such a thought
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:56 PM
Nov 2015

when I was out on a hike in the Rocky Mountains, a few days in, the smell of the country having totally permeated my skin, my clothes, my pack.

I would set up my camp stove and make a pot of Pi Lo Chun tea, a very delicate tea with a very short life after steeping that I discovered by accident in Vancouver's downtown Chinese district. I had a little dragon cup to sip the tea and a set of Zen practices that I automatically followed and it was a beautiful hike.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
10. "No maudlin posts!"
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:23 PM
Nov 2015

Honestly, you're all good people.

I had LOonix in mind when I posted and felt sad, cut off from a friendly voice by highly partisan and one-sided political censorship. He must be devastated to be suddenly out of touch with his political allies on DU. I guess that was the purpose.
I wish LOonix well and hope he keeps fighting the good fight (he will) - just not here.

I'm a Canadian and breathing a sigh of relief, having dodged the bullet.

Can I tell a story - my perspective - comparing events in US/Canadian politics? I will anyway

In Canada's last federal election the Liberals ran with Michael Ignatieff as leader. He was "air dropped" into Canadian Liberal party politics, a heavily funded corporate backed third-way think-tank man coming back up here after living and working in the US for a period, helping the neocons out, and he was catapaulted into leadership position by militarist/corporate insiders taking advantage of political disarray. He was a pro-Iraq war, pro-torture, Hillary Clinton clone right down to the last molecule of DNA, and he was rejected by Canadians who couldn't bring themselves to vote for the sucker regardless of the fact that it would mean a Harper win.

So Harper won and we had a few more years of regression, of the corporate right tearing apart the country we built. But, after we rejected Michael Ignatieff and he quit, the Liberals didn't go third-way Bushy/neocony/neoliberally again, and by picking Justin Trudeau they handily won. Big sigh of relief. (aside: we don't have "primaries" leading immediately into an election, we had a fair amount of time to appraise Justin Trudeau and all the candidates before the election. That's an important difference.)

That's what happened. Here's what could have happened. If the Liberals under Michael Ignatieff had won, it'd be a very different and disastrous story. Canada would perhaps be even more into US wars than happened under Harper. Canada would have swung radically to the right because neolib/neocon corporatist warmongers would be thoroughly entrenched in BOTH major parties, with only the NDP holding out - and that couldn't work. Progressive structures and politics and candidates would have been systematically smothered, progressive institutions would have been killed, social institutions decimated, while neolib/neocon structures would have been entrenched in ways that in the 21st century look impossible to dislodge, once that solidly established.

If Bernie Sanders doesn't win, please, look toward 2020. Build toward 2020. Don't throw in your lot with the neolib/neocon warmongering corporatist pigs. It isn't worth it - it'd be a mistake.

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