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The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:17 PM Sep 2017

I'm sorry for your loss.

I'm thinking a lot these days about the phrase "I'm sorry for your loss." People say it for a variety of reasons. They may actually feel sorry; they may say it because they think I expect it from them; it may be a reflex programmed way back in childhood, or it may be a way of safely acknowledging an uncomfortable event. All these reasons are perfectly acceptable, and I'm not going to bitch about politeness or caring.

What has interested me in the week since Kathy died is how my inner response to that phrase has evolved. While my outside voice still says things like, "Thank you, that's very kind," my inside voice is now saying something completely different. It says something like this:

Loss? What loss? Who got lost, and where would they have gone? Kathy wasn't her body. She wasn't even her mind, or her emotions. Kath was always a spirit, whatever that means. For a while the "spirit formerly known as Kathy" was focused in a physical body, now it is defocused into the universe - the eternal Here, the eternal Now. As Seth put it, she is now "an entity no longer focused in physical reality." That emphatically does not mean that she's "gone."

I don't even think "Oh, she lives on in our memories and in our hearts" - though that is true to some extent. What is far more true is that she lives on forever in everything. Whenever I take a photograph, I'm photographing her. When I walk down the street, I am surrounded by her. Well, that can't be exactly true, can it? "Surrounded by" implies that I am still somehow separate from her - she's outside, I'm inside. But that's just a culturally reinforced illusion. If she is now everything, then she must be me as well. And she is.

That's how I perceive her; that's my understanding of what happened. This is why there has been no sorrow in my heart. At first there was a sense of dislocation, because it was a fairly major change for all concerned. But sadness? No. She was happy to leave, even eager. She had wanted to go home for many years, and finally she could. Love means wanting for your beloved what they want for themselves. This is why I feel joy and celebration rather than sorrow. She got what she most desired.

But, "Thank you, that's very kind" works a little more smoothly most of the time. People at work are less likely to look at me sideways and wonder what planet I'm from. Luckily, you folks are not them, and we can sometimes tell each other our truth.

Thanks for listening.

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The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
3. Love at first sight.
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:25 PM
Sep 2017

I was at a party in 1972, and she walked in the door. Her aura was blinding, and a choir of angels played something by Handel.

But I was married, so we became besties instead for most of a decade. But then we lost each other for 30 years. When we reconnected via Facebook in 2010, our first phone call reminded us of what we should have done 38 years ago.

BigmanPigman

(51,562 posts)
5. Having your love and support thoughout this period is so
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:48 PM
Sep 2017

very important. My family is supportive of me and my decision as well. We have always believed in quality of life. I wish there were more doctors in the US that weren't afraid to help. The legal and insurance issues make too many reluctant to assist in CA even though it is legal.

fierywoman

(7,667 posts)
6. Thank you for having the balls to speak out loud of these profound things
Tue Sep 12, 2017, 11:55 PM
Sep 2017

that most of us shy and skirt around.

Xipe Totec

(43,888 posts)
7. Shakespeare Sonnet 71 - No longer mourn for me when I am dead
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:00 AM
Sep 2017

No longer mourn for me when I am dead
Than you shall hear the surly sullen bell
Give warning to the world that I am fled
From this vile world with vilest worms to dwell;
Nay, if you read this line, remember not
The hand that writ it; for I love you so,
That I in your sweet thoughts would be forgot,
If thinking on me then should make you woe.
O, if (I say) you look upon this verse,
When I (perhaps) compounded am with clay,
Do not so much as my poor name rehearse,
But let your love even with my life decay,
Lest the wise world should look into your moan,
And mock you with me after I am gone.

mopinko

(69,982 posts)
8. well, i think it is part being polite and part
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:04 AM
Sep 2017

you just cant walk on in the conversation w/o saying anything.
i dont assume that people believe in any kind of afterlife. i dont. but if people do, i am fine w that. i would never argue or put down that sentiment in anyone.
so, if you said to me that you believe her spirit lives on, i would be happy that you had that comfort.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
9. It is hard to know what to say.
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 12:39 AM
Sep 2017

There really are no words that I have ever figured out to say. Having someone lose a loved one is a difficult thing. We try and convey that we care. We try and convey that we stand ready to do anything we can to help. But there really are no words that work, but we try.

KT2000

(20,567 posts)
10. you are so right
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 01:52 AM
Sep 2017

people say all kinds of things and it is sometimes awkward but the sentiment is one of caring.

calimary

(81,085 posts)
11. "Love means wanting for your beloved what they want for themselves."
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 02:01 AM
Sep 2017

That's gotta be the quote of the year. Quote of a lifetime! You just defined love at its most fundamental.

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
14. OUR loss of her heart, soul and incredibly art, is on all of us.
Wed Sep 13, 2017, 10:41 AM
Sep 2017

I hate that she's gone; my heart hurts for you. But if she hadn't been here at all? It's all of us who would have lost.

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