Biden praises Dick Cheney

[angrychair]

Sorry, with this, it's a hard no in the primaries. if he is the nominee in the GE I will vote for him

This is from an event that took place in October of 2015
Link to full video:

Joe Biden: "I actually like Dick Cheney... I get on with him. I think he's a decent man."

He adds that Cheney was "extremely helpful" about the "legal parameters" of the VP office. Without irony.

Mondale then says his view of Cheney is "a little bit different." The crowd laughs

Includes video in Twitter link

Check out @EmmaVigeland’s Tweet:

Link to tweet

?s=09

[Chin music]

1. Has everyone taken the Indivisible Pledge?

Just wondering.

[angrychair]

3. Not that I'm aware of

Last I heard about half the candidates had taken it, including Warren and Harris.

[Chin music]

4. Nice. I was kind of referring to in this campaign room. Considering,

the campaigns 18 months away.

[angrychair]

19. I understand the point

I don't see this falling out of that pledge:

Make the primary constructive. We'll make the primary election about our hopes for the future, and a robust debate of values, vision and the contest of ideas. We’ll remain grounded in our shared values, even if we support different candidates

This is in video, not a rumor. I clearly noted the date it was said and gave the link to the full video.

I think praising Cheney goes directly to a conversation about values as Democrats.

[Chin music]

22. I wasn't insinuating. I was reminding people though.

The other candidates here arent on par w repubs. The rules of DU alone say be nice to Dems. I was hoping everyone would double down. The elections not for almost 2 years. That's all I was saying.

[McKim]

27. It is on the Edge!

It seems like it’s on the edge of inappropriate. While I very much look forward to having Vice President’s Biden’s opinion on the War on Iraq and our other foreign wars, this is not the way to bring up this issue. It is information to be taken into account but It smells a little inflamatory. We need to know where he stand on this for sure. I think that Biden can change his stripes and evolve like any other human being. Is it keeping us busy fighting instead of reaching out to likely voters?

[angrychair]

36. Likely voters for who

Its not trading in Internet rumors or referencing rightwing sites. It's on video. I gave the date it happened and a link to the full video for context.
I was also unequivocal in my support for Biden if he is the GE nominee.

I have very few sore spots but more than anyone else, I blame Cheney for our current political situation.

But for Cheney there would be no trump.

The political environment and hate have s lot of their origins in Cheney and the inner circle he developed.

If ever there was a "deep state" it was Cheney.

[George II]

13. Unfortunately I think it's only available for candidates, not supporters.

[Chin music]

14. There's 2 versions.

One for candidates, One for voters. Maybe if this room is going to be open to broadsides to each of the candidates, good, bad, or indifferent, Mr Skinner may consider allowing us a medallion(?) or something saying we have taken the pledge. The GOP wants us to devour each other. It behooves us to remember tht. imho.

[angrychair]

20. Link to voter pledge

https://pledge.indivisible.org

[Chin music]

23. Thanks for doing that.

[angrychair]

40. You are ver welcome

Really not being divisive. I also plan to sign the pledge.

I also promise to give more consideration before I post but I'm not going to give any candidate, even my own first choice, a pass but at the very least, ask the question.

[Chin music]

42. We have a long way to go.

Not really sure yet why this campaign room is a good idea. IMHO. Esecially this far out. Seems like every 'shit on the other guy'post gets the wave through bc it'sposted here. I'm speaking in generaliies. I'm not hopping on you. Thought it was a good time to remind everyone. Even George didnt know there was two pledges. I added something good today and that makes me happy. Personally. It's not a knock on you. Just an opportuinty to relay what I saw on TRMS on Monday.

[jalan48]

2. How do you like someone who advocated for and applauded the torture of prisoners?

[marble falls]

5. Being a progressive means progressing. What's his take now?

[Kurt V.]

29. That's THE question.

[doompatrol39]

44. It also means progressing not just when...

...it's convenient or politically expedient or other people have done all the heavy lifting and taken all the risks (ie. Obama with gay marriage once it stopped being risky).

[marble falls]

79. We've all changed our minds on things like marriage equality, gender ...

equality, capital punishment, gun control, abortion ... I've had to change my mind about every single one of those.

[doompatrol39]

85. No, not all of us.

Some of us hav consistently been fighting for what we believe to the moral side of those arguments for decades.

But again, that's not the point. You or I changing as a regular citizen when there are no stakes beyond your own sense of morality and justice is one thing. Yes, a LOT of people do that on a LOT of issues.

A politician changing or "progressing" when they need to in order to gain support is another thing altogether.

Or evolving (as Obama did on gay marriage) once there was much less risk involved and other people had put in all of the work and struggle.

I'm not saying that applies to Joe on any or all of these, but just saying "we all change and progress" isn't enough. It is important to look at how long it took someone to progress and the curious timing of their progression.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. BIIIIIIIIINNNGGGOOOOOO!!!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[lunasun]

113. No not one of those issues for me. Plenty of We who didn't change thier thoughts ever I bet

Do not know who We is in your post but if you meant as a group here , I at least want to say NO not me. I never changed my mind and i am offended by the assumption

[Grendam]

6. Don't be duped...

This is pure left-wing hackery... Need to watch the entire clip in context. You know what else Mondale says to Biden, "I know all the things you said were right." Biden also agreed with Mondale with his criticism. Frankly, I'm tired of having to go through all this garbage incessantly.

I'm really starting to despise the hard left as much as the hard right.

[elleng]

10. THANKS.

'Need to watch the entire clip in context. You know what else Mondale says to Biden, "I know all the things you said were right."'

[angrychair]

15. Not hard left at all

But praising Cheney is where I draw the line. I dont care who they are.
As far as I'm concerned that is a very reasonable Democratic position to have.

I'm not ok with people calling Cheney a decent man. He is not, in any way, a decent anything.

Also, sort of walking it back, a little, because you are on stage in front of people, doesn't change what you said.

I am unequivocal that I will vote for Biden if he is the GE candidate.
I will even campaign for him as hard as I can.

I have every right to Express my opinions on public statements in the primary period.

[still_one]

38. Do you draw the line with a campaign that hires three people who voted for Jill Stein and encouraged

others to do likewise also?

[angrychair]

41. Sorry still, dont know the reference

What do you mean?

[still_one]

43. Really? David Sirota, Briahna Joy Gray, and Nina Turner

[angrychair]

55. The names I recognize

As Bernie supporters but I'm not a Bernie supporter.

I did support Bernie in the 2016 primary but once Hillary was nominated I campaign for her until the bitter end.

I do not support Bernie in this campaign, in fact he isnt even on my list of top 10.

If they did that and Bernie supported or endorsed it in 2016 than that is even a better reason not to support him in 2020.

[still_one]

60. That wasn't my question who you support. You are outraged at Biden because of this, are you

also outraged at the one campaign that has hired three people who were involved in working against getting the Democratic nominee elected in the 2016 general election?

Does that also bother you?

[angrychair]

67. Absolutely

Its reprehensible. Full stop.

[still_one]

68. I apprecieate your fairness, and I mean that

[emulatorloo]

108. Then perhaps you should be careful about naively believing what Sirota and the other Stein voters

Senator Sanders has hired for the top positions in his campaign.

Sirota has done false hit pieces on every candidate considered to be a threat to Senator Sanders.

You don’t see thst sort of thing from Harris, Warren, Booker, Beto, Biden’s campaigns. Those candidates aren’t out to falsely damage each other.

You are a very intelligent person. I am sure you will eventually figure all this out.

Best Regards

[Grendam]

45. It's getting ridiculous...

It was posted by one of the Young Turks to feed the outrage machine.

Cheney was his immediate predecessor and had to help with the transition of power. I know so many people are disappointed Biden didn't spit in his face and shout, "WAR CRIMINAL!" as Cheney showed him around Number One Observatory Circle. It's called civility, and Biden acts that way because he's a decent man. You know who else he called decent? Mike Pence. He then had to clarify the context of his remarks because of the collective freakouts of the Cynthia Nixon's of the world.

Biden didn't give Cheney a pass. He astutely pointed out, among other things, Cheney couldn't have done all the things that he was able to do if Bush hadn't empowered him to do so. It's too bad few will realize the full context of everything in that forum because of their blind rage. (The Russians sure knew how to exploit this in 2016)

If people want to ever govern effectively again, we are going to have to learn to treat each other with more respect and use common sense. When there's no tolerance for saying anything remotely positive about our political opponents without the tribe revolting, our future is going to look far more grim than it does today.

[irisblue]

87. I'm not 'Cynthia Nixon' & it bothered the hell out of me he said Pence was decent.

[rusty fender]

97. Cynthia Nixons of the world? Really?

[Grendam]

114. Absolutely

If you don't remember, Cynthia Nixon helped cause his Pence comment to trend on Twitter with her direct criticism @ him. Biden then felt compelled to directly respond and clarify himself to her on Twitter. Nixon then wrote a Washington Post editorial days later, decrying "civility" and "politeness over policy." Progressives responded by widely praising her.

Not sure why anyone is taking exception when she aptly represents the last time people collectively freaked out over Biden saying anything remotely positive (even when the broader context was negative) about someone progressives want vilified.

[pangaia]

7. Well, all I can say at the moment is

[Demit]

8. That he thinks Dick Cheney is a decent man is mind-boggling to me.

[qazplm135]

39. I have no idea if he does think that

what I do know is that it is classic Joe to want to say nice things about everyone.

[Demit]

71. He said Cheney was helpful & gracious during the transition, and that's fine.

That's saying something nice. But he went beyond that. By calling Cheney a decent man, he was speaking approvingly of his character. That is TERRIBLE judgment, in my view.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. It does make me wonder... though context is a consideration.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[marylandblue]

63. It's pretty simple really. These people are all in the same social group.

And any social groups has norms of behavior. Among the Washington elite, the rule is that you can bash each other in public, but you don't take it personally, in private you are "decent," to each other, even when you disagree. This helps get things done, and prevents Washington from exploding.

So all Biden is saying is that people like Cheney and Pence follow the rules of polite society, but Trump doesn't. For Trump, politics is personal, and that's the real crime for Biden.

[delisen]

73. Seem to recall Cheney saying FU to Sen Lynch

and some in Congress talking about a major cha age in Cheney.

One thing to remember about calls for civility is that those of us whose human rights are are threatened on the basis of out status (women for example) are going to define civility somewhat differentlyfrom those who feel an identity

[marylandblue]

76. Yes that's true, Cheney did break the rule that time, and perhaps some others,

but maybe he always got along with Biden, so Biden thinks he's decent. Biden seems like a friendly guy, so maybe only Trumpian levels of rudeness can break his presumption that everyone is decent.

Disadvantaged groups always have to act better than everyone else, or be thought worse. This is why Obama never lost his cool, he couldn't afford to.

[Demsrule86]

74. Your post demonnstrate an extreme dislike of Biden...so I don't doubt it.

To each his own.

[Perseus]

9. Those are the things Biden does that turn me off

I think he is one of those characters who doesn't think too much before opening his mouth, some people can do it without putting his foot in his mouth, but I don't think Biden can do it all the time, he has tasted the sole of his shoe many times.

Don't get me wrong, I like Biden, and I will vote for him if he is the nominee, no doubt about it, I just wish he would think before he talks a little more.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Fair statement... something to consider in choosing the best candidate to go up against tRumpy.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[hlthe2b]

11. I had to interview Cheney once on a matter totally unrelated to politics...

This was years ago before he was VP. I can honestly say being in the same room with him made the hair on my neck stand up. Sure he was patronizing and contemptuous, but it was something far more disturbing.

Women may well have more ability to pick up on that, but geez, Joe. What the hell? It isn't as though you've not had to deal with some of the most truly evil people on earth. Cheney may not be Osama Bin Laden, but he is surely NOT a "good" man.

That said, this does not affect my overall opinion of Biden. I'm not ready to make a pick, but I do have tremendous fondness and respect for JOE.

[FoxNewsSucks]

21. Of course Cheney creeped you out,

he's an agent of Satan, stalking the earth.

[murielm99]

32. He is indeed.

So is 45.

[samnsara]

12. I dont care about who he likes or dislikes..

...my support for biden grows stronger every day.

[themaguffin]

16. Like it or not, statesmen say things like that

[LakeArenal]

46. "Used" to talk like that. It was called being diplomatic

Now we supposed to tell everyone what we really think of them. No filters.

[mobeau69]

51. Like Rump about Putin et al?

[themaguffin]

112. Nope. and really? Really?

[yaesu]

17. My brother in law who is a very progressive retired Union electrician

was involved with state politics & had a few meetings with cheney way back before cheney turned into a dead hearted fascist. I think the meetings were about public land access in a state, maybe Wyoming, idk, anyway, he liked him back then, said he was pretty decent to work with. Cheney is an evil doer, I have no doubts about that, but I think he parks his mad dog persona at the door & is probably less of a prick when he's having one on one meetings so Biden may have been right in his description, &, I think its Biden's way not to be too controversial. That way has changed by now I'm sure. Don't see this as a disqualifier.

[angrychair]

26. I don't doubt Cheney could be personable

But in 2015, Biden would be very aware that Cheney was a a very bad human being. Him and the president had been cleaning up the mess Cheney created for years at that point.

Cheney's actions were well documented at that point. He was/is NOT a decent man.

[yaesu]

62. I agree, cheney is not a decent man, quite the opposite actually. I do believe Biden is a decent man

though I must admit that he is not on my very short primary list but I will vote for him if he makes it to the GE.

[CaptainTruth]

18. I guess Biden doesn't know anything about the PNAC.

[George II]

24. Biden was on for about 50 minutes, people zero in on that very short segment (with no context)

[angrychair]

31. There is little ambiguity

In Cheney is a decent man.

There is no parsing that phrase.

Just ask Mary if he is a decent man.
Sold his own daughter out so they other could attack her own sister's sexuality to win an election.

[Blue_true]

78. When a person is out to make someone look bad, exculpatory evidence is a bother. nt

[Demit]

80. I watched the whole segment. Did you catch his anecdote about his Cheney torture cartoon?

Mondale was recalling how Cheney said early on that he was going to take things to the dark side, and Mondale believes he really did. Cheney wouldn’t respond to subpoenas, stiffed Congress, worked with his key guys to bring about the Torture Memo...Mondale says he thought those were bad days in the history of the Vice Presidency.

Soon after, Biden starts talking about the New Yorker toon somebody gave him: Cheney is showing him around the VP residence, and they're in the basement and there are things like manacles hanging on the wall. Biden says he's standing behind Cheney in the toon and Cheney says—and here Biden deepens his voice to mimic Cheney's—“Joe you might want to make some decorating changes.”

There, I hope I gave you enough context. Biden made a joke about torture.

[shanny]

25. all that collegiality, bi-partisany and let's-all-get-along CRAP.

NO thank you.

[doompatrol39]

48. It's what worries me most about Biden...

He's stuck in that overly conciliatory, "reach across the aisle" backwards looking political mode. He still thinks its something that gets him points in any way, with anyone other than David Brooks/Tom Friedman types.

[shanny]

92. Same here.

this is war and our side needs to act like it

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. Bipartisanship is so yeaterday....the RefucKKKlicons aren't interested in it, why are we?!?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[NYMinute]

28. It is the decorum of the office

Until Trump, no President or VP bashed their predecessors to maintain the dignity of the office.

This is why Trump is such a lowlife.

Obama had praise for GW as well -- which is required in public.

Anyone who pulls one of these videos to attack Biden should be ashamed.

[NurseJackie]

33. Just like saying "My good friend from Georgia" ...

Just like saying "My good friend from Georgia" ... when they should be saying "that summbitch from Georgia". Or any reference to "our friends on the other side of the aisle" is simply decorum.

I can't include myself in the small group of handwringers who are going to get distraught about how Biden refers to Cheney. Of ALL the things there are to worry about, this doesn't even make the top 1000 for me.

[NYMinute]

35. or esteemed gentleman from Alabama nt

[Thekaspervote]

57. +1000

Was just going to say the same!! You also dislike president Obama and Michelle because they are seen in public with George and Laura, and it is known that especially Michelle and George have a close friendship?

[NYMinute]

58. Perhaps rephrasing is in order

I don't dislike anything about President and Michelle Obama.

[Nanjeanne]

30. I understand the place where Biden comes from back when he was a Senator and there was a much more

collegial feeling between Dems and Reps. But this was from 2015 - and after the horror of years of endless wars and the lying to get us into Iraq. It's not a good look. Praising a colleague that you worked with on bipartisan legislation is one thing. Calling Cheney a decent man is going too far. Helping Biden adjust to the VP office is expected in a transitional period. And if he was cordial and pleasant - that's very nice. But it's not worthy of praise. Decent has a very different meaning to me.

[still_one]

34. One candidate hired 3 people who voted for Jill Stein, and encouraged others to do likewise, up

until the day before the election.

Any campaign that hires people who helped put Trump into the WH has a problem as far as I am concerned

[dogman]

69. You repeat this non-stop, where is your proof how they voted?

"After Clinton won the nomination, Turner was invited by Jill Stein to become the Green Party's nominee for Vice President, but Turner declined, stating, "I believe that the Democratic Party is worth fighting for.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Turner
David Sirota's wife was just elected as a Democrat to the Colorado House. The only one that I see voted for Stein was Briahna Joy Gray. Personally I don't blame voters, I blame non-voters. Your vote belongs to you, no one else.

[still_one]

72. David Sirota said up until the day before the election he was pushing that in his deleted tweets.

https://www.democraticunderground.org/128730834#post3

briahna joy gray worked for Glenn Greenwald's intercept, and pushed that garbage, but unlike Sirota, she didn't erase all her tweets:

Link to tweet

?lang=en

Nina Turner:

https://www.insidesources.com/nina-turner-coming-new-hampshire/

That is why Sanders is NOT on my list for primary candidates. As far as I am concerned he hopes to gain the nomination by dividing Democrats, and I don't want that in a candidate for the primaries


All other candidates have my potential vote in the primaries.

Currently, I favor Biden and Harris, and have donated to both their campaigns, but there are others who I also view favorably

[dogman]

99. You still haven't shown proof how Nina Turner voted.

The columnist claims it but offers no proof. The video clip does not say how she voted. I don't care who you support, I want to know where your proof of people's votes is. Briahna Joy Gray said she voted for Stein as I said, that is one out of three people you cite. And just like you will vote your choice, they will vote theirs, no one owns anyone's vote but their own.

[still_one]

100. So you have no problem with someone who didn't vote for the Democratic nominee, working for

a campaign running for the Democratic nomination in 2020?

In Sirota's tweets, which he has deleted conveniently, he encouraged people not to vote for the Democratic nominee.

No problem with that either, huh

We'll see how that works out for him when we get to the convention

[George II]

88. It's been all over the internet for two years and all over DU the last few weeks. In addition....

....Jill Stein asked Nina Turner to be her VP candidate (which she declined)

As pointed out, the day that Sirota was hired by Sanders it came out that he's been working for the Sanders campaign he deleted ALL of his tweets (more than 20,000 of them!) to erase the record of him boasting about voting for Stein.

And then we have Cornell West, who was a surrogate of Sanders and has been talking up Sanders' candidacy this year, not only voted for Stein but formally endorsed her prior to the Convention:

https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/jill-stein-green-party-cornel-west-endorsement/index.html

Bookmark this for the day West becomes a surrogate this time around or is hired by the campaign.

[NYMinute]

96. Well, Sir, no one at DU actually saw them voting

so you are technically correct that they may have telegraphed that they were voting for Stein but actually voted for Hillary.

However, it would require an extreme cognitive acrobatic maneuver to explain why they advocated for Jill Stein, campaigned for Jill Stein and then voted for Hillary in the end.

My cognitive acrobatics, no matter how contorted, refuse to accept this as a logical scenario.

Your next argument in defense of these characters please.

[still_one]

102. Well stated

[lapucelle]

117. Sirota was very busy the night before the election in 2016.

[qazplm135]

37. yeah, don't care

Biden is a guy who likes to say nice things about everyone.

He's not a traitor because of it.

[Otto Lidenbrock]

47. Context matters

A 14 second video does not provide context.

"He adds that Cheney was "extremely helpful" about the "legal parameters" of the VP office. Without irony."

Yeah after Biden spent a few minutes explaining how Cheney concentrated power with his own National Security apparatus which was something Joe would not emulate.

"Mondale then says his view of Cheney is "a little bit different." The crowd laughs"

Mondale also added his personal encounters with Cheney were nice.

Look, I'm no fan of Joe overly chumming in the name of bipartisanship but this is a hatchet job. This tweet makes it appear Biden was full of praise and nothing more. The second part of the tweet comes a full 4 minutes after the first. Watch the full clip for yourself.

[nolabear]

50. Thanks! I was posting the same below. It's a hatchet job.

[nolabear]

49. PLEASE listen to a larger segment. He follows it with a considerable "but".

After he makes this remark Mondale says Cheney had said he was going to the dark side, Joe agreed, and talked a great deal about the unfortunate power Cheney had assumed and that he disagreed with him on how he had held the power and used it.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

52. Kinda says iit all.

[Thekaspervote]

53. Oh for heavens sake!! How many of these outdated clips are you going to dig up!!

[sheshe2]

59. Reminds me of all the pictures posted of Hillary.

The ones with Kissinger. Just another smear.

[Grendam]

64. A gazillion...

I was bored the other day and going through the C-SPAN archives, watching some old, very dry hearings/speeches featuring Biden. Let's just say there are some things that he says that would go over like a heart attack today. I just wonder how long it will take some Berner/Trumper to uncover and plaster all over social media (especially out of context).

[R B Garr]

90. ooh, sounds like a threat. "I wonder how long it will

take some Berner/Trumper to uncover and plaster”. Ooh, we should be so scared!!!

Welcome to DU!

[LongtimeAZDem]

61. I hate people who say good things about others! Geeze, it's like Biden is a Christian or something!

[lapucelle]

65. I'm more disgusted with the tools who got on the caboose of the Trump train

by working and voting against the nominee.



This disgusting person couldn't wait to see faces fall as she recounted with glee the the fact that she helped deliver the White House to Trump.

I hope the falling faces of all the parents and children who were and remain separated are seared into her memory forever. Hipster spoilers need to slink away into oblivion and ignominy. Who associates with people like this?

[lapucelle]

66. Ah the glee when you watch those little faces fall!

No wonder she looked forward to it.

[madville]

70. That's why people love Joe

He can say something positive about even the worst people. The civility and decorum are refreshing and needed.

[angrychair]

89. Sorry, just don't agree

Civility is literally killing us.

Trump and other Republicans are wiping their ass with the Constitution and putting babies in cages and creating significant ecological and economic harm that may take decades to repair.

They are creating divisions with our allies that may never recover.

The time for civility is long gone.


We are the only ones playing with a rulebook anymore. We are playing by rules that don't exist anymore.

Unless we get control of these situations and start holding Republicans, especially trump, legally accountable for their actions than our republic is in serious jeopardy. This is the most significant challenge to our republic since the Civil War.

Cheney has been a vile human being, in his personal life and in his professional life.

When it comes to making public comments about Cheney, you don't need to say anything nice but follow the principle "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all".

[madville]

91. The independent middle voters want civility

And they decide elections, it's a good tactic especially for the general election.

[angrychair]

93. So you want us to kiss trump's ass?

Just let it slide, call him Mr. President and hope we win the election in 2020?

[madville]

94. Of course not

Biden takes the high road and looks calm, collected, and Presidential. Let the surrogates get dirty in the trenches, that's the way it should work. Dropping to trump's level will turn off the middle independents, the voting bloc we have to attract for the general.

[angrychair]

98. Sorry, you are reading the room wrong

That boat sailed when they denied every congressional subpoena, refused to testify to Congress and have thumbed their nose at your decorum and rules.

I dont give a shit about kissing the ass of a bunch of center-right fence sitters.

If we do not hold trump legally accountable there won't be a republic to win.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Sir Edmund Burke

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

110. THIS!!!! +1,000... civility should not be a one-way street!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[SMC22307]

75. Praises the war criminal as "decent" as recently as 2015?

Fucking disgusting. It is indeed one big club and we ain't in it.

[guillaumeb]

77. Good, meet perfect.

My view is that Cheney should have been prosecuted, but that is my own view.

[MrsCoffee]

81. Do people even understand what they are outraged at anymore?

With all the fucking things going on in the world, this is where you draw the line? I mean this is pure spin.

You go with that winning strategy.

[Otto Lidenbrock]

82. Some quotes the tweet did not mention

Biden
"I have a harsh view of how the vice presidency, the office was used. So that's why I never, I mean he knew because I was in the Senate during this period, he knew my strong disagreement. Remember he was talked about being an independent in that he was not executive, he was not legislative, he was...I don't know what he was."

Mondale
"He was everything"

Biden
"That could not have happened without President Bush permitting it to happen. So that's why I said it was a very different relationship. And I think at the end of it, it appeared he had lost President Bush's confidence. At the end, because of a lot of things I guess. But in terms of the transition he was extremely gracious. But there's no similarity between the office."

He then briefly explained a possible factor between the relationship difference between Bush-Cheney and Obama-Biden was Cheney appeared to be writing the agenda, whereas Obama and Biden "had no ideological differences". They disagreed on tactical stuff but could work with it.

[jberryhill]

83. So what?

Find me that video of Joe Biden calling someone an SOB.

[EveHammond13]

84. zzzzzzz

[walkingman]

86. Biden's mouth is not his biggest asset. Cheney is a war criminal.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. A war criminal of the worst kind!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[melman]

95. Cheney is a decent man?

Wow. That's an unfortunate statement.

[dawg day]

101. Walter Mondale... now there's a great Dem

[emulatorloo]

104. Nice try Angrychair. But big ole fail.

Pretty sure most all of our candidates have said something over the years that is embarrassing now.

I am all about unity and winning and destroying Trump.

If some DU’ers want to focus on destroying their fellow Democrats rather than Trump I guess that’s their choice. Certainly nothing wrong with that I suppose. But with Trump in the White House it just isn’t my thing.

We have to win in 2020.

[ucrdem]

109. Expect a fresh outrage every morning.

As sure as the sun shines.

[ucrdem]

106. I see the new hires are earning their pay.

Lovely.

[madaboutharry]

111. I think politicians have different relationships

on a personal level. The political world is really a small little club.

Just to throw this out there, but recall that Michelle Obama and George W. Bush are very close friends. In fact, Michelle has said many times that he is “a kind, sweet man and I love him”

We still love Michelle, don’t we?

And to be clear: I also think Cheney is Satan.

[Demit]

115. But Michelle Obama isn't running for president.

And her "kind, sweet man" comment is more analogous to what Biden said about Cheney being helpful & gracious during the transition—as you say, a personal-level comment. It wasn't a pronouncement on his character.

In the video, Mondale was able to make it clear that yes, Cheney was kind to him too, and his wife Joan, but he was able to avoid saying anything about Cheney's character. He just talked about the things Cheney did, so you could infer from that what he thought.

[WeekiWater]

116. Trend setter.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287104085