Iowa Dems warn against new Bernie-Hillary wars

[crazytown]

Politico May 19, 2019
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/10/2016-ghosts-1315854

There’s no need for sharp elbows’: Iowa Dems warn against new Bernie-Hillary wars

After a rancorous 2016 caucus battle that left the state party reeling, Democratic leaders are determined to keep the peace this year between the various campaigns.

Ask just about any Iowa Democrat about the state’s 2016 fight-to-the-death caucuses and it elicits a similar response: a long pause, a deep breath and a plea to talk about something — anything — else.

snip “There is no tolerance whatsoever for the bullshit this time,” said Polk County Chair Sean Bagniewski. “When I see people standing up spouting conspiracy theories in meetings, people start reacting. When it’s on social media, there’s an avalanche of people saying, ‘not this year, we’re not doing this again.’

snip Bernie Sanders’ senior adviser in Iowa, Pete D’Alessandro, said that if in an organizing meeting a supporter reopens complaints from the last election, they’re immediately cut off ... 2016 is over.

( I guess that’s why Senator Sanders talks about “Mrs Clinton’s” super delegates in his stump speech - to clear the air)

[JI7]

1. for certain people Hillary is still the bigger enemy than Trump

[murielm99]

2. WTF?

[crazytown]

3. JPR: 'We could have had Bernie!'

Hillary is to blame for Trump.

[JI7]

5. JPR supported Trump

[JI7]

4. things like this

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287111824#post10

[crazytown]

6. Biden equals Hillary?

That won’t fly. Desparation.

[JI7]

7. implying Hillary unfairly got the nomination and Biden is doing the same

[crazytown]

8. Oh right.

Excuse the French: Sick fucks

[Cha]

16. Excellent example.

[Hortensis]

9. Bernie simply has to run an antagonist campaign, so just expect it.

He's both a revolutionary and populist leader, the two natural partners, and neither draw followers by being agreeable and respectful of opponents.

As for Hillary, no one here's surprised I'm guessing. There's huge, unrequited HillHate still out there among some on the far left, the misogynist middle, and all across the right. Yes, she didn't become president, but women are still increasingly powerful and they still haven't burned the witch.

So it makes sense that both sides are going to try to harness it. I'm thinking we should expect both the Sanders and Trump campaigns and their activist followers to try to "hillaryize" any candidate who is seen as a threat. Maybe watch for "obama-ization" also when targeting particular groups.

[BlueMTexpat]

10. WHY will Iowa

NOT get rid of its undemocratic caucuses?

WHY is ANY state STILL holding these?

[crazytown]

11. It's because NH has legislated that they must be the first primary.

NH were prepared to bring it forward into 2007 if necessary

[BannonsLiver]

12. Wouldn't even be an issue if Bernie wasn't in the race.

[peggysue2]

13. Think we also need to consider that there are right-wingers . . .

who would love to stir this pot once again. Sure there are Bernie Burn-Outs who will not let anything go from 2016--the whole Bernie was cheated out of the nomination crap--but the right-wing Trumpsters and their foreign supporters will see a clear advantage in creating division and chaos, a 2016 redux.

Shut it down, along with the Biden = Hillary 2.0 baloney. It serves no one's interests beyond the Trumpster.

[NYMinute]

14. Hillary ran a very decent and dignified campaign

This story is not directed at Hillary or her supporters at all.

[StevieM]

15. The super delegates played no role in Bernie's defeat, nor was there ever a possibility

that they would deny him the nomination, over the will of the pledged delegates.

There is no candidate in American history who they were less likely to give the nomination to, in spite of losing the PDs, than Hillary Clinton.