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'Oh geez the Sanders decline is happening and its happening exactly the way I said it would happen.' (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 OP
He doesn't have Hillary to fight against katmondoo May 2019 #1
Either mutes it or there are better, more modern approaches to the issues than his. George II May 2019 #4
Or, perhaps, the messages of Vladimir Putin Cary May 2019 #10
How come nobody ever quotes me when I take credit for stuff? bluedigger May 2019 #2
I hear ya! NurseJackie May 2019 #5
Do nobodies get published in the New York Times? DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #6
"Me, too!" Honeycombe8 May 2019 #7
Do you believe one way to get noticed is to be published in the New York Times? DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #9
You're welcome. But time to take a step back... Honeycombe8 May 2019 #11
Everybody is somebody. Nobody is a nobody. DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #15
Emily? Is that you speaking to us from the grave?? Politicub May 2019 #20
Good! NurseJackie May 2019 #3
I've seen a lot of people who supported Bernie last time Indygram May 2019 #8
Beto is the cool uncle...who wouldnt prefer a cool uncle Demsrule86 May 2019 #19
Beto gets the same unfair and inaccurate coverage everyone else in this field does, but Maru Kitteh May 2019 #23
The CNN town hall on May 21st will help him a lot Indygram May 2019 #29
I look forward to it. nt Maru Kitteh May 2019 #33
Grumpy BS only goes so far. we can do it May 2019 #12
Here is my fear! Gamecock Lefty May 2019 #13
sanders was counting on a brokered convention Gothmog May 2019 #36
Thank you for posting this Gothmog May 2019 #14
Here's her twitter page. She also did as well a job on predicting the mid terms as the big boys DemocratSinceBirth May 2019 #17
... Scurrilous May 2019 #16
Oppo Is Finally Coming Out Me. May 2019 #18
Let's hope Cha May 2019 #25
... Me. May 2019 #26
Hoaaloha, Me! Cha May 2019 #27
It is because of how Trump got elected LibFarmer May 2019 #21
If Bernie wants to win the primary, he has to convince those who supported Hillary to vote for him. ehrnst May 2019 #28
Bernie is so out-of-touch, he filled his campaign staff with John Fante May 2019 #30
Word on the street is that he and his supporters LibFarmer May 2019 #31
It wouldn't surprise me. John Fante May 2019 #34
If we had a functioning EPA twitter should be declared a toxin BannonsLiver May 2019 #22
This is interesting Gothmog May 2019 #24
Still within the margin of error LibFarmer May 2019 #32
Right.. Cha May 2019 #38
If Bernie loses support among youth, what is left??? Gothmog May 2019 #35
The sensible people that were in his camp are switching over to Senator Warren. nt Blue_true May 2019 #37
 

katmondoo

(6,457 posts)
1. He doesn't have Hillary to fight against
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:27 AM
May 2019

With 20 people running it kind of mutes his message

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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. Either mutes it or there are better, more modern approaches to the issues than his.
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:28 AM
May 2019
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Cary

(11,746 posts)
10. Or, perhaps, the messages of Vladimir Putin
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:38 AM
May 2019

Maybe Sanders has passed the point of diminishing returns? God willing, Russian trolling has too.

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bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
2. How come nobody ever quotes me when I take credit for stuff?
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:28 AM
May 2019

I'm a nobody too!

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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. Do you believe one way to get noticed is to be published in the New York Times?
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:35 AM
May 2019

Thank you in advance.

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. You're welcome. But time to take a step back...
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:46 AM
May 2019

and call up that humor gene inside. It was a little joke, based on nothing but humor. No intent to insult anyone.

I also don't see the tweets as representing a massive decline for Sanders. It's that big poll that shows him far behind Biden. Like historically behind.

It's notable if he's declining in favor among the younger people, but that's not the high-voting-probability demographic. Sanders has never, to my knowledge, been that high among the 45+ age crowd. That's the crowd that actually reliably votes. And the Af. American vote (particularly female) is critical for some elections. Sanders never polled high for that demographic.

So I never saw him as being to win any general election, without those key demographics in his corner.

Frankly, I'm not crazy about any of the candidates. There's no Pied Piper there for me. I'm in a key older reliable-voter demographic. I think people my age and a bit younger are just comfortable with the old shoe, Biden. No more angry tweets. No more bizarre plans to change everything. Smiles and jokes and pleasantries, but with experience. Family man. No more cozying up to Putin while insulting our allies. Nice, normal, politician Biden. The old comfy athletic shoes in the closet. (But given a real choice, Biden wouldn't be the one I'd choose.)

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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. Everybody is somebody. Nobody is a nobody.
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:05 AM
May 2019
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
20. Emily? Is that you speaking to us from the grave??
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:13 PM
May 2019
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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
8. I've seen a lot of people who supported Bernie last time
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:35 AM
May 2019

Supporting Beto this time. I see it all over social media. I think that is happening because Beto has that similar charismatic appeal and he is still progressive enough to be appealing on that front. Beto also offers a message of unity which people really like. I actually think that if Beto gets some fair and accurate media coverage instead of all the baseless hit jobs that he is likely to peel off even more of Sanders' support.

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Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
19. Beto is the cool uncle...who wouldnt prefer a cool uncle
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:11 PM
May 2019

to a crotchety granddad?

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Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
23. Beto gets the same unfair and inaccurate coverage everyone else in this field does, but
Tue May 14, 2019, 01:12 PM
May 2019

if he's going to move forward, he has to figure out how to get past it.

I have a serious soft spot for Beto, having spent a few very happy years in El Paso - but his message communication and damage control have been pretty lackluster. He needs to do better to break out, let alone take on Trump. Time will tell soon enough whether he can show those skills and turn it around.

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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
29. The CNN town hall on May 21st will help him a lot
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:42 PM
May 2019

Anyone who has been watching his town halls that he live streams on facebook and hears him answer those questions usually sees how special he is.

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Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
33. I look forward to it. nt
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:25 PM
May 2019
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Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
13. Here is my fear!
Tue May 14, 2019, 09:57 AM
May 2019

We are starting to eat our own and fall right into the conservative’s playbook!

Bernie’s #s fall among a certain demographic and we can’t wait to get out that news. Beto is rumored to be restarting his campaign. Can anyone beat Biden? Is Biden not green enough?

I get with 20+ people running for Prez we need to find separation amongst our preferred candidates. But we are all Dems here and our #1 goal is to take back the Presidency and send Trump packing and off to prison. Granted, some fighting amongst us family members is healthy, but my fear is that we are going to have an all-out battle where we become the Susan Sarandons of 2016!

Let’s ban together, folks. Support our candidates but be positive. We need 2020!

Go Dems!

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Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
36. sanders was counting on a brokered convention
Wed May 15, 2019, 07:49 PM
May 2019

It was the sanders campaign game plan to split the African American vote and force a brokered convention with 30% of the primary vote.



sanders is not likely to get 30% of the convention delegates
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Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
14. Thank you for posting this
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:05 AM
May 2019
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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. Here's her twitter page. She also did as well a job on predicting the mid terms as the big boys
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:09 AM
May 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
18. Oppo Is Finally Coming Out
Tue May 14, 2019, 10:21 AM
May 2019

& being used

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Cha

(297,188 posts)
25. Let's hope
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:18 PM
May 2019

it continues!

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. ...
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:21 PM
May 2019

Heya, Hiya ....

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Cha

(297,188 posts)
27. Hoaaloha, Me!
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:30 PM
May 2019
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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
21. It is because of how Trump got elected
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:14 PM
May 2019

After a disrupted Democratic convention. People have long memories.





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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
28. If Bernie wants to win the primary, he has to convince those who supported Hillary to vote for him.
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:33 PM
May 2019

People haven't forgotten the convention, and will be looking for him to say something about it.

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John Fante

(3,479 posts)
30. Bernie is so out-of-touch, he filled his campaign staff with
Tue May 14, 2019, 02:43 PM
May 2019

people just like this - Bernie Busters and "Jill Not Hill" types

I'm heartened to see his support slipping, but I'm disgusted that he ran again in the first place.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
31. Word on the street is that he and his supporters
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:54 PM
May 2019

made Hillary lose so he will have another bite at the apple.

Hillary's book says it indirectly.

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John Fante

(3,479 posts)
34. It wouldn't surprise me.
Tue May 14, 2019, 04:51 PM
May 2019

I know it's anecdotal, but the number of Bernie Busters I know who took Trump's victory in stride with the rationale that "at least Hillary didn't win" is disturbingly high.

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BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
22. If we had a functioning EPA twitter should be declared a toxin
Tue May 14, 2019, 12:23 PM
May 2019

It literally makes people stupid.

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LibFarmer

(772 posts)
32. Still within the margin of error
Tue May 14, 2019, 03:56 PM
May 2019
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Gothmog

(145,168 posts)
35. If Bernie loses support among youth, what is left???
Wed May 15, 2019, 05:06 PM
May 2019

sanders is not trying to win a majority of the party but wants to get to the convention with 30% of the delegates. That is less likely now
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/15/1857658/-If-Bernie-loses-support-among-youth-what-s-left

Bernie Sanders’ strategy for victory in 2020 isn’t about winning the majority of delegates to the Democratic Party convention. “Sanders aides believe he’ll easily win enough delegates to put him into contention at the convention,” reported The Atlantic. “They say they don’t need him to get more than 30 percent to make that happen.” Once they’re at the convention with his 30 percent, they presumably figure they can threaten and bully the party to nominate him. This way, he doesn’t have to work to expand support beyond his core group of supporters.

However, what happens if he can’t hold that core? This isn’t 2016, with a binary choice between Bernie and a demonized establishment Democrat. This is a rich field, with credible candidates representing just about every key party constituency. There are candidates just as liberal as Bernie, yet not as polarizing. So would Bernie’s core supporters stick with him as they became better aware of this amazing field? Apparently not, according to the latest Morning Consult primary poll.

“Sanders on the decline with 18-29 year-olds,” reads the polling memo. ”Throughout March, Bernie Sanders had 45% of the first choice vote share among America’s youngest voters. That support has steadily declined and currently sits at 33%.”...

With Bernie Sanders at 19 points in this poll, he’s a far cry from the 30 percent or so he wants for his “force himself upon a brokered convention” scenario (understanding that the popular vote and delegate allocation aren’t a one-to-one calculation, but close enough). It’s been clear he’s been maxed out for a while—both his and his supporters’ ornery approach to politics don’t lend themselves to big-tent embrace of a broader coalition. Quite the opposite, in fact.

He can’t grow, and if he can’t hold his most important supporters? His path to the nomination, already near-zero, becomes effectively zero.
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
37. The sensible people that were in his camp are switching over to Senator Warren. nt
Wed May 15, 2019, 08:57 PM
May 2019
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