Sanders supporters, are you ready to get behind who was your first choice in 2016?

[WeekiWater]

We don't have the Russians helping us. We don't have to defend her votes on Russia. She doesn't have a checkered past on immigration. She has been a member of two parties. Ya'll like that. No horrific past essays to defend. Nina Turner hates her. She has solid accomplishments to hang her hat on and does a whole lot more than yell at walls. Her ancestors helped save Christopher Columbus when he was lost at sea and for that she has earned the beautiful name of Pocahontas.

The list goes on. Get on board. Warren should be a Sanders supporters dream. More qualified. More accomplished. Actually understands policy. Just as far to the left. No where near the baggage. Doesn't need to brand herself with gimmicks as her ideas alone are the real deal.

So poke Nina Turner in the eye and jump on board the Warren train. Sanders won't mind. His first choice in 2016 was Warren as well.

#FleeTheBern

[awesomerwb1]

1. Hmmm

[Autumn]

2. I can easily get behind her too. I just want to see her use a little of the verbal firepower

she uses on Wall Street on Climate Change. Then I will decide.

I see no reason to poke Nina Turner in the eye, I like her very much.

edited to add. Bernie was my first choice in 2016. Liz didn't run.

[WeekiWater]

6. Turner is a sell-out. Big time.

She went from being on team Clinton to bashing Clinton, Warren, and the Democratic Party. Very bitter. It's so blatant that it's almost cute.

[Autumn]

15. Everyone has opinion of other people I have mine and you have yours.

Odd that you ignore the reasons I'm looking for to support your candidate and focus on the fact that I like a person you don't like. Oh well

[forklift]

17. The same Nina Turner

who supported and campaigned for Jill Stein and contributed to Hillary's loss in Ohio and Michigan?

You have a different opinion of her other than a "traitor" to the Democratic party?


Really?

[Autumn]

19. The same Nina Turner who is on Bernie's campaign staff. A strong WOC and a Democrat.

That one. I don't have to like who she supported and campaigned for in 2016 but there is much about her I do like.

[BannonsLiver]

29. It's not really about liking, it's more about judgement.

It’s an odd thing a Dem can look at someone who worked hard to get Trump elected and say “Yeah, I like her.”

[Autumn]

31. Only got two words for you then I'm done. David Brock. nt

[lunamagica]

33. Don't you get it? That's why they like her

[Lazy Daisy]

39. Care to back up that bit of information

It smells of barnyard excrement.

[WeekiWater]

20. Our candidate. I think I stated the reasons I expect you to look forward to supporting Warren.

I didn't find that part to be noteworthy. It's not that it was ignored. Turner being a sell out isn't opinion. It's based in sound reasoning and facts.

[Autumn]

21. No, you did not. You stated the reasons you expected from yourself to support her. I gave you

my expectations that I have in looking for a reason to support your candidate. I have not yet decided who I will support as my candidate.

[WeekiWater]

23. Warrens record is solid and easy to find.

As are many of our great candidates.

You won't have to look far to find reasons to support Warren. There are many of them. I see many reasons I could support many of our candidates.

[Autumn]

25. I eagerly await the opportunity to see her discussing the urgency of climate change.

Then I will decide my support.

[comradebillyboy]

3. LOL very clever.

[HopeAgain]

4. Convince me she is electable...

and I'm in.

[workinclasszero]

5. I expect Bernie will pick up almost all of Sen. Warren's supporters

when she withdraws from the race.

Just sayin.

[Autumn]

26. I agree. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. True dat... but hope Elizabeth joins the ticket. They'd make a great team!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Nanjeanne]

7. She's on my list of people I donate to along with Sanders and Buttigieg. She currently isn't my 1st

choice -- but she is definitely a good choice!

Personally I don't like FleeTheBern. But I do like Warren.

[WeekiWater]

8. You are kind and composed with your words.

[Kentonio]

9. In 2015 it was clear there was a national appetite for change

If Senator Warren had announced then, then win or lose I’d still be supporting her now. Instead she sat back and a guy with far lower name recognition, no money and no organization had to pick up the baton instead. If anything causes Bernie to drop out, then I’ll support Senator Warren gladly, but otherwise he’ll continue to have the support from me that he earned by doing what she wouldn’t.

[shanny]

38. Well said.

[katmondoo]

10. I found my guy and it is not Sanders

[Sherman A1]

11. Sanders is my second choice this time around

after Andrew Yang who I feel is addressing the issues of the coming AI avalanche which we are just starting to experience.

https://www.yang2020.com

If Warren is the Nominee she will certainly get my vote as will any other Democratic Candidate. Time will tell

[WeekiWater]

12. Grrrrr.

The only thing that removed Yang from my list are his positions on AI. I really appreciate the rest of what he is saying and doing. I like him a lot. I find his positions surrounding AI to be so bad that I don't even have him on my list. The rest makes me swoon.

[Sherman A1]

13. What would be your thoughts on AI in that case?

I see AI to be a very serious issue for employment going forward. We have lost so very many jobs over the decades to automation, computerization and consolidation that I only see massive unemployment ahead.

[WeekiWater]

18. That has been a time honored position that has never come to fruition.

Yang wants to put things in place that curb creation and development. He is truly a Luddite. It's something I cannot appreciate. Jobs will always shift around. That is a fact of life. A lot of AI that Yang would attempt to slow through taxation and incentive is actually technology that would make workplaces safer, more environmentally friendly, and produce all new higher paying jobs. Something we desperately need. Many of these jobs would be jobs where only a base education is needed. Some far more advanced.

Let AI flourish. That is my thought. Even your own argument goes against yourself. You say we have "lost so very many jobs over the decades to automation, computerization and consolidation that I only see massive unemployment ahead." We have lost these "very many jobs" yes aren't suffering from massive unemployment. This isn't our employment problem.

I say all of this respectfully. I really do like Yang.

[Sherman A1]

32. I have to disagree

We are seeing significant unemployment with regard to workforce participation and I only see it getting worse. I retired from the Retail Sector not too long ago and saw many jobs disappear over the 4+ decades in which I worked in Retail as machines took them away in one form or another. Now one person does the work of what was once 3-5. So no, my own argument does not work against myself, but rather my experience is very, very real and supports what I am saying.

Technology & AI will flourish and move forward, I want to have the benefits of such be shared with all as opposed to the increased productivity being siphoned off by those at the top.

[WeekiWater]

34. Yang does not hold positions that are in agreement with your last paragraph.

I agree with your last paragraph and it has little to do with job numbers. Yang covers a part of that with his UBI. Working to slow creativity and AI should play no role in it. They are not one and the same but can work in concert with one and other.

Additionally, your first paragraph has little to do with unemployment. Jobs shift over time. There is nothing new about that and it will continue to happen forever. It should happen. We advance as a people.

[Sherman A1]

35. I have never heard him mention slowing creativity

He wants to tax technology through a VAT method to provide for the UBI along with realigning some social programs but I have no indication that he is a luddite as you previously mentioned or wants anything beyond being sure that everyone gets a piece of the pie.

[WeekiWater]

36. Then you need to understand his reasons for wanting to tax technology.

It is to hold off companies from advancing AI and other technology. It perfectly meets the definition of Luddite. Yang want to put certain policies in place for the reason of slowing advancement in technology. He doesn't hide that. If implemented, it would absolutely slow technological growth in certain areas. It is Yangs reason for doing so. It isn't a hidden agenda. He is up front about it.

Again, outside of this area I think he is one of the best we have. Please don't think I am trashing him. He is so far off base in this one area that I could never vote for him in a primary. I greatly appreciate his voice in almost all other areas.

[MH1]

41. Oh HELL NO to Yang.

I will give him this - he lays out his policy positions, so it was easy to rule him out.

As such, we should greatly expand our H-1B and F-1 visa programs to allow significantly more highly skilled individuals and top-of-their-class students to study and work here. Additionally, any highly rated worker or graduating student who receives a graduate degree here should be given a green card to remain in this country as a permanent resident.

Oh fuckety fuck no, no, no.

If he said "FIX the H-1B program so it is truly bringing the most highly skilled individuals and maintains standards of fair labor treatment", it would at least show some recognition of reality. But no ....

Of course if he got the rest of his platform (including e.g. UBI) then the context would be entirely different. BUT expanding H-1B will be far far easier than getting UBI, and as such he should at least make that plank contingent on protections or at least opportunities for American workers. But from searching his issues page I get that he doesn't care a bit about American workers.

Just no, no, no.

(p.s. I have a thread in GD about what progressives need to understand about H-1B. Yang doesn't seem to get it.)

[Sherman A1]

42. Then we must agree to disagree

as I do not see increasing young highly skilled (and highly paid) workers in an aging workforce to be an entirely bad idea. We need immigrants.

[MH1]

44. Please read this thread:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211889910

H-1B as currently implemented has huge problems.

IF the program were fixed I might even agree with your statement. But #1, it needs to focus on, and ONLY apply to truly highly skilled. I know from experience that's not what it does today. (but in fact, take a look at the categories of workers it applies to - not only tech workers, surprise surprise.)

We have plenty of talented people in this country, many from disadvantaged backgrounds that progressives (or liberals, if you prefer) give lip service to supporting. These people are getting crushed by the tactics of the H-1B pipeline industry.

Our FIRST priority in immigration should always be compassionate immigration. Refugees and asylum seekers. Not undermining our own minority population for the purpose of a controllable workforce and more profit for big tech.

[Sherman A1]

45. Then we must agree

To disagree.

[MH1]

46. I was hoping you would be interested in the rationale

of why H-1B is currently a lousy program.

I'm taking you didn't bother reading the thread I posted. I hope it's that, rather than you read it and are okay with the consequences of H-1B as described there.

[Sherman A1]

47. I support Yang on most all of his positions

The H-1B program may be lousy and imperfect programI believe you will find something to be dissatisfied with in any of the candidates or potential candidates that we have in the mix as there is no perfect one with which any of us completely agree. Even when one of them becomes President (hopefully) they will find that what is in their platform is impossible to accomplish for a variety of reasons both foreign, domestic, political and financial. That is the nature of things.

If you don't like Yang's position on H-1B and that is a deal breaker for you rather than looking at the whole board, Your choice. I simply do not find things that way and will continue to support his candidacy.

[RobertDevereaux]

14. I fully expect that Bernie will win the primary...

AND I'll vigorously support whoever wins the Democratic primary.

We must destroy the GOP in 2020 at all levels of government.

[Garrett78]

40. Have you looked at the primary schedule? How do you think Super Tuesday will go for Sanders?

[forklift]

16. #Fleetheburn

[The Truth Is Here]

22. Thanks, but no thanks.

I won't vote for Warren. I have my reasons.

First and foremost - what disturbs me the most is that she is a former Republican. I don't care how many years she's trying to make amends. She's partially responsible for what ails America for the past 40 years. She didn't even bother fighting to kick Mulvaney off the CPRB, which makes me think she's giving Americans lip service.

[WeekiWater]

28. You're going to be a tough sell.

I'm just the person for the job. I've got a long time to close the deal.

[Garrett78]

24. Sanders will keep Warren from having a real shot, and Sanders will be done after New Hampshire.

They clearly appeal to many of the same folks, and New Hampshire is crucial for both. And without doing much, much better than last time among POC and non-millennial women, Sanders can't survive Super Tuesday even if he wins New Hampshire.

[Boomer]

27. Warren was always my first choice

I was a Sanders supporter because Warren wasn't running in 2016.

[Cha]

37. Well Done.. #Fleethebern!

[betsuni]

43. K&R