Notice that Sanders "hits back," Biden "chides," Inslee "knocks," but Harris "snipes" and "attacks"?

[StarfishSaver]

Interesting.

[watoos]

1. Then I'm for Harris

I'm looking for the toughest candidate to take on Trump.

[lapucelle]

2. The more things change...

...the more they remain the same.

Media's gotta have its story line.

[StarfishSaver]

8. It's not just the media

[lapucelle]

16. Yes, I know.

I posted this a couple of months ago, and the reaction by some was...interesting.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212128959

[StarfishSaver]

18. Not unlike with the reaction to this OP

[lapucelle]

19. ...

[mcar]

25. Ooh, I remember that one

Things got a wee bit, um, defensive, didn't they?

[lapucelle]

29. "You mean it's not unwanted if just the woman wants it ???!!!"

"What about girls who trick guys and to trap them?"

[PatrickforO]

38. Oh, man! LOL. Wow. Best advice to the men on that post?

Stop talking now.

Still chuckling.

By the way, the article by the Mormon lady in that OP - brilliant. She brings up some powerful points. It is good that has gone viral.

[lapucelle]

41. My daughter sent me the article. I didn't feel like reading it and was more than prepared

to find fault with it, but boy oh boy, that is one well crafted piece of writing.

[mr_lebowski]

3. In a more generic sense, Democrats always 'slam' if dealing with the GOP/Trump

It's the MSM code-word of choice, you see ...

[we can do it]

4. Yep more misogynistic bullshit.

[tulipsandroses]

5. YES!!!! - I've been meaning to make a thread about how these terms are being framed! Perfect!

Its all a part of the plan. I'm not falling for it. That's why I don't partake in certain threads. Similarly, Distraction Becky Conway talking about Cat Fights amongst Democratic women in Congress. Go somewhere with that foolishness.

[democratisphere]

6. Must have something to do with chemistry.

There doesn't seem to be any other explanation.

[RainCaster]

10. Men are 'aggressive', women are 'bitchy'

It's the way of our male superior culture.

[mcar]

26. And ambitious

which seems to be a bad thing among politicians with vaginas.

[DURHAM D]

11. Nope, just lady parts.

But you knew that.

[democratisphere]

12. I know noooooothing.

Pure conjecture.

[Dennis Donovan]

7. No, I haven't.

[wyldwolf]

14. Apparently...

‘Snipes’ and ‘attacks’ is sexist but “chides’ and ‘knocks’ isn’t.

[Kind of Blue]

9. Yes, Big Time!

[Drunken Irishman]

13. Maybe? idk...

https://www.axios.com/debate-night-democrats-trump-attacks-c07f8b1f-e710-48ec-b8d2-3a071d9aacc2.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bernie-sanders-ramps-up-his-attacks-on-joe-biden-2019-05-15

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-attacks-trump-doctrine-on-foreign-policy-as-an-embarrassment/2019/07/11/985febb4-a347-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html?utm_term=.74c0587c9fda

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-attacks-trump-iowa_n_5cffa579e4b0b02180874e13?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFwo1LhkSl91AxLiIShO7tgzdlM_gmkZRK8FxQnv06T1dY3Gtnprq3zfGIKH7IQB4gvV-NWqDtED8-6DBe49yAjVQVeo5KDxf4s307asVAz-C7w05TEo_5EKg3DB7dvz_pDAf92I4-WJ1cveYp4ewEU8ASxA82t20hRdCrpdzglg

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/06/19/biden-boasts-he-was-civil-with-segregationists-n2548560

https://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/biden-snipes-at-trump-for-posting-insane-clip-mocking-controversy-surrounding-ex-vp-presidential-as-always/

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/california-playbook/2018/07/03/politico-ca-playbook-harris-hits-back-at-white-house-immigration-tweet-soda-tax-fight-enters-new-phase-de-maio-raises-11-mil-for-gas-tax-repeal-282722

https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/06/28/harris-chides-biden-on-race-at-miami-deb?videoId=567754155&videoChannel=118262

[wyldwolf]

17. Now you know you're not supposed to throw cold water on a good puritopian post.

[wyldwolf]

15. How about 'rips' and 'claps back?' Any issues with those?

Oh, this headline writer didn't get the message, apparently:

Donald Trump and Joe Biden snipe at each other during the pair's Iowa visits

[oldsoftie]

20. I HATE "claps back". UGH. Media trying to appear "cool"

[wyldwolf]

23. How about "smacks." It appears to be an equal opportunity offender

Trump Smacks Iran With New Sanctions vs. Warren Smacks Trump Back Over DNA Test

[oldsoftie]

45. And just today, we have an OP about Harris; "shuts down" Megan McCain.

And i see video clips with titles like "destroys", "eviscerates", "disembowels". And more often than not, its just a simple good comeback from someone.

[wyldwolf]

63. which isn't really a good thing for Harris. My border collie could shut down Megan McCain.

[wyldwolf]

21. Notice that Sanders "attacks," Biden "snipes," but Harris "knocks" and "chides"?

Interesting...

Bernie Sanders ramps up his attacks on Joe Biden

Biden Snipes at Trump For Posting Insane Clip

Harris appears to knock Warren, other 2020 Dems

Kamala Harris Knocked Joe Biden Over Segregation In 2nd Debate

Kamala Harris says she'll decide on 2020 soon, chides Trump on shutdown

[Bradshaw3]

32. Ever notice how nail-in-the-coffin-of-a-thread responses like yours never get an answer from the OP

The presupposition of racism and/or sexism of the OP is totally shot down, but will we see that fact acknowledged? Doubt it.

[Hav]

47. The more worrying part is,

the unneeded outrage about a false insinuation and failed point continues in this thread despite providing evidence to the contrary repeatedly.
It's one thing to get worked up about something that is factually not true. But ludicrous claims like this make a mockery about the real and not made up problems that actually exist because of misogyny and racism.

[Bradshaw3]

52. Good point n/t

[Cha]

34. And, you get CRICKETS from OP.

I hate "misogyny" as much as anyone.. I'm a Hillary supporter. but you've posted some headlines that point out there's equal "chiding" and "sniping".

[wyldwolf]

64. I shall use these words with a renew vigor now

[watoos]

22. I missed the whole point of the thread,

Now that I know what this thread is all about I can have a good laugh. Who cares what some anonymous person said about Harris?
Calling attention to something dumb gives it more credibility. Kamala is tough as nails and that’s why I like her. Harris chides, wtf does that mean, who cares? Harris attacks, good on her, I like that.

[mcar]

24. Got it in 1

[ProfessionalLeft]

27. I Think Posters Have Misunderstood the Point the OP Was Making

I believe the OP was pointing out how a Black candidate's actions are characterized v. how White candidates' actions are characterized.

[wyldwolf]

30. but as you may have seen from other replies, the same words are used for male, female, black, white

The OP's point falls flat.

[EffieBlack]

59. The fact that they're occasionally used to describe white men doesn't mean there's not an obvious

disparity in the way black females are described.

White men are sometimes called thugs and gentiles are sometimes accused of being greedy, but that doesn’t mean that black men being described as thugs and Jews being described as greedy isn’t often racist and antisemitic.

But your effort is noted.

[wyldwolf]

61. Occasionally? No, often, much more often

Do you want to do count of each instance? It would real easy for you to prove me wrong. Google it

[EffieBlack]

66. Why are you getting yourself so worked up?

If you think the terms used to describe Harris aren’t problematic, fine. There are obviously plenty of people here who don’t agree with you. Why spend so much time and effort stomping
all around the thread badmouthing and/or challenging everyone who doesn’t agree with you?

[wyldwolf]

67. You know what's weird?

I was just thinking of the phrases people use in online discussions when they want to avoid directly answering a question.

One is avoiding the discussion by accusing someone of getting "worked up" or "angry," when in fact that person (me, in this instance) is chilling in his living room watching the Discovery channel. No stomping here.

Another is the classic argumentum ad populum - the belief a statement must be true because many or most people believe it. You just did it.

But the fact is, Google archives just about everything, and we can easily surmise which of these words has been used most for whom and by whom. It definitely renders the OP false.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. I wish they wouldn't use loaded words like those when commenting about anybody.

Maybe "criticizes" is too long for a headline, but it would be a fair, neutral substitute for any of those other words.

[Timer]

36. Yes, I'd like a general de-emphasis of the word "attack."

Candidate A is critical of candidate B. The story is "A attacks B." I don't think all of this routine political back & forth should be framed in that way. No need to hype up this discourse into an image of people launching attacks at each other.

[left-of-center2012]

31. The perspective may depend on who is your candidate?

[Skittles]

37. seems like it depends whether it's a man or a woman

[brooklynite]

33. Just apply DU phrases: Bash, Smear, assassinate, hit job.....

[Me.]

35. One Of These Day One Of These Stories Will Be Different

the same ole, same ole where women are concerned. But listen, if she's up to 'attacking' that must make her pretty strong and unafraid...and isn't that just exactly what we want. Chides, knocks sound so tepid.

[crazytown]

39. There should be more 'eviscerates' IMO

[TCJ70]

40. Those terms aren't limited to any one candidate. Go ahead and google...

Sanders attacks, Biden attacks, etc and you’ll find results. Inslee seems to be exempt from “attack” (at least from a quick glance) but the point still stands.

[silentEcho]

50. To "snipe" is to be petty. That language is exclusively held for women candidates.

[TCJ70]

53. Nope.

https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/267627-sanders-campaign-snipes-at-clinton-over-proposed-new-debates?amp

[silentEcho]

55. I saw another post showing the term was used for Biden. Thanks for that.

[wyldwolf]

54. Which everyone knows is bullshit of course

[quickesst]

42. No words

😐...............😅

[NNadir]

43. I hadn't until now, but thanks for pointing out.

As an old fat bald white guy who's embarrassed by the assumptions made about my demographic, I hope I will get to vote for a woman for President again.

Not all fat, old, bald guys are Trumpsters.

[tishaLA]

44. She's also "angry" according to a Yahoo op-ed writer

Meanwhile, a guy can say he'd take tRump out back and punch him and that's perfectly acceptable

[Skya Rhen]

46. Bernie Sanders's angry, unrealistic call for 'revolution' (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/18/bernie-sanderss-angry-unrealistic-call-for-revolution/?utm_term=.dff408f9c01e

[tishaLA]

56. If anyone is willing to pretend that

Sen Harris and the junior senator from VT are in any way similar in terms of anger, it's probably best to just ignore him or her.

[silentEcho]

57. Harris smiles all over the place. You are right. It is a absurd accusation toward Harris.

[SidDithers]

48. Yup...

there's a significant double standard between how male candidates and female candidates are portrayed.

Even here at DU.

Sid

[silentEcho]

49. I do notice this. Harris is being petty. The other in the field is merely being strong.

Or paternal. Where have we seen this in the past. Thank you.

[Merlot]

51. Yes I had noticed. It's not "interesting" it's sexist.

[EffieBlack]

58. I'm getting a kick out of folks scrambling to find any example of "snipe" or "attack" being used

to describe a white male’s behavior and eagerly cutting and pasting them at you, as if that obviates your OP (well, not really AT you - since most of the discussions are being conducted about, not in direct response to the OP).

Because we all know that if you can just find an example of a white person being called lazy, a non-immigrant being called violent, or a man being called hysterical, that means that such terms being used to describe black people, immigrants and women can never be derogatory.

But at least you’re keeping them occupied ...

[NastyRiffraff]

60. Coming soon: Shrill

[Kaleva]

62. Just wait till people start calling her "hysterical" like they did Hillary in 2008

Archived threads make for interesting reading.

[ucrdem]

65. That won't start unless she pulls ahead. Right now she's the talk of the town. nt