Kamala goes OFF: "We need a new president!"

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[McCamy Taylor]

1. Calling out Trump and unseating Trump are two different things.

Obama did not get elected for "calling out". He did it by having a positive message.

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2. well, that's a very special observation.

...thanks for sharing.

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Ian Sams @IanSams Mar 9
More on-the-ground reaction to @KamalaHarris from South Carolina:

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[SidDithers]

7. If only she had a "positive message"...

Next, they'll be saying she should smile more.



Sid

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13. as long as it isn't wiley

...just sayin'

[Cha]

24. Right.. If only Kamala had

positive energy! lololol

[George II]

16. I suggest you follow her campaign and her repeated positive messages.

[Honeycombe8]

3. Yeah, but not her.

She's not Presidential material, IMO. She's great being a prosecutor, an AG, or other things, though.

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4. audacious

[Honeycombe8]

6. Not audacious. Speaking truth of support vs non-support.

Non-support from me, based on watching her performance so far. I do not deem her to be Presidential material, based on specific things she's done or not done.

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9. 'presidential'

...is something that's been redefined to the extreme.

We're in uncharted territory for what the ideal U.S. model for a woman president actually is, but if Kamala Harris is able to communicate leadership to enough voters, she'll assume the presidency and she'll be that model.

Presidential is, as presidential does.

[wysimdnwyg]

12. I respect your position, but...

Do you care to elaborate? What about Harris do you believe is not worthy of your support? Is she not sufficiently progressive/moderate/whatever? Do you fault her support for certain positions? Is she "not likable enough"?

Now don't get me wrong. I support Harris, and I believe she would make an outstanding President. I also like several other Democratic candidates (as well as one or two who have not yet announced). That said, I can respect those who feel otherwise. I just ask you to support your position with more than "she's not Presidential".

[Honeycombe8]

18. As I told another poster...

I don't think it's useful to get into a back and forth about why or why not someone isn't THE candidate for a person. Suffice it to say that I have my reasons, and they won't change. I'm not trying to talk others out of it, and it's pointless to try to change my mind, since I've made my decision based on observations of her behavior so far.

BTW, it's valid to say she's not likable. As valid as any other reason. When a voter says that, there's usually a reason the candidate is not liked by a voter. But notwithstanding, people generally don't vote for people they don't care for. When I say "I don't like her," I mean I don't like her as a candidate.

I haven't decided on a candidate yet. I don't like any of them, frankly, but am looking to see more of Gov Inslee, and who else might get in the race. (Again, when I say I don' "like" them, I mean there are reasons I would prefer not to vote for them or otherwise don't think they are good candidates.)

As I told the other poster, when I decide on a candidate, you can post and tell me you don't like him/her, if you want. To each his own.

But you know, don't underestimate "likability." Some people seem to think it's used only for females (it's not), or that it's superficial. There are stats and things about who wins Presidential races that tell you what voters go for. If you look at the candidates who have won President, most of them have been the more likable of the two candidates. You know the old joke...people vote for someone they can imagine having a beer with. Likability is one of the reasons that George W. Bush won. And Reagan. And Bill Clinton. Definitely Obama. People are drawn to people they like. That's always a factor in every Presidential race. (It hurt Gore, IMO.)

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19. you mean you don't like her

...not providing anything to demonstrate any significant number of potential voters find her 'unlikable.'

I think this is why the other posters were asking you to qualify those sentiments of yours.

Here's something concrete about 'likability' in Iowa which shows Kamala Harris both competitive and more appealing than most and nearly at parity with Biden.

Nate Silver @NateSilver538
Harris has the second-highest favorability score after Biden. (Favorability score = an average of responses on a scale from "very favorable" to "very unfavorable", ignoring voters who didn't know the candidate.) Also, her favorables are up, whereas Bernie's, Beto's etc. are down.




...here's another poll showing favorable ratings nearly identical among Sanders, Warren, and Harris

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...and another:

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[Honeycombe8]

23. I'm not getting into a this-and-that argument over your choice of candidate.

Not all voting Democrats are going to vote for her, probably some for the same reasons I won't.

Accept it. It's all good. Not all Dems are going to vote for whoever I choose, either.

You can't change my mind, and I can't change yours. So there's no point.

The Democratic Primaries forums are the place for posts about specific candidates, when there isn't allowed disagreement on the candidate being the choice. If that's what this OP was for, maybe it should have been posted there. If, however, it was to convince more people to vote for her, then the thread will get some disagreement.

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25. not trying to change your mind

...making sure folks looking on understand that's not a prevalent or even marginally supported view by any sizable number of potential voters.

You're free of course to state how much you dislike her all over this forum. But declaring she's 'not likable' or 'not presidential' is going to get pushback with a wider view than your personal, partisan one.

And, um...

"If that's what this OP was for, maybe it should have been posted there."

This IS posted in GDPrimaries.

[Honeycombe8]

26. I thought the Dem Primaries forums for specific candidates was up.

I guess not. (I don't have a candidate yet, so didn't know. He said they'd be doing separate forums for the candidates.) I didn't post all over the forum that I'm not voting for Harris. I posted it here.

I understand you're upset that someone hasn't chosen the candidate you've chosen. I'm bewildered by that. Of course not everyone is going to vote for the same candidate to be the nominee.

And there are very good reasons I'm not going to vote for her. I didn't say I wasn't going to vote for her because she's not likable. YOU say that. I said I had several very good reasons based on things she has done, and not done.

I did point out that you seem to have the impression that not being likable is an invalid reason.

I explained to you, which you can't accept, that "I don't like her" just means to people that there is something, or some things, about a candidate that makes them uneasy with them as a President.

I also explained to you the fact that more often than not, the friendlier, more likable (in the personality sense) is the candidate that wins. When you look through history of Presidents and their opposition in the race, you can see it plainly. So that's a real thing, whether you want to acnowledge it or not.

It helped George W Bush a lot that he was perceived by Republicans and some Independents as a likable fellow they'd want to have a beer with. Reagan was more liked than Carter, Bill Clinton was well liked, George W Bush vs Gore, George W Bush vs Kerry, Eisenhower, Obama vs Romney, etc. Just a little trivia I point out, when you try to dismiss the likability factor. But that's not the reason I gave for why I'm not voting for Harris, despite your attempt to make it appear so.

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27. you're arguing with yourself

...I accept you don't like her.

I don't really care what 'makes you uneasy about her.' I think it's nonsense, especially as a blanket statement. It's an outlier opinion, as the polls I posted demonstrate. That's all I'm interested posting responding to your personal beliefs.

Dislike to your heart's content! Without further qualification, it's not going to make any difference to me in this or any other forum.

[Honeycombe8]

28. I never said I didn't like her. I said there were several things she did, & didn't do, that did it.

Those things made me see that she isn't Presidential material, to me.

I didn't say "I'm uneasy about her," either.

If you represent the caliber of people voting for her (someone who constantly attacks someone for not agreeing with your decision), it reinforces that my decision is correct.

I remember Dennis Kucinich's supporters getting all hot under the collar when others would say they're not voting for him. They just couldn't see why Kucinich wasn't getting support. They couldn't see him as a candidate compared to other candidates. Love can be blind.

You either got it, or you don't. Maybe she'll get the VP spot, if that makes you feel better. (Kucinich wasn't even going to get that.)

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30. um, she's getting a lot of support. Kamala's definitely, 'got it'

...and she doesn't need a man or anyone else at this point to be elected.

Like I said repeatedly, I don't care if you disagree. If it makes you feel better believing so, do that.

[Honeycombe8]

31. You apparently care very much about what I think.

To keep attacking me and cajoling me, over what was initially a simple post that responded to the OP.

Thank you for caring.

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32. No one 'attacked' you in this thread. Certainly not me.

...funny to complain about 'cajoling.'

FOUR LONG POSTS replying to me (in my thread) gave me the distinct impression that I was, in fact, being 'cajoled' by you.

Lol.

[SergeStorms]

15. ..."based on specific things she's done or not done."

Care to elaborate about those "specific things", or is this just another blanket 'I don't like her' statement from Honeycombe8? Your feelings about Ms. Harris are well documented in past posts. Please, elaborate, other that you think she put too many people in prison while AG for California. I've posted articles from Mother Jones refuting that claim before. Maybe you just didn't read them. Again, please elaborate about the "things she's done or not done". Thank you.

[Honeycombe8]

17. I don't think it's useful

I don't think it's useful to try to make a case for or against a particular candidate, unless something current is in the news. Suffice it to say that I have my reasons.

Even a blanket comment of "I don't like her" is reason enough...when voters say that, there's a reason for it.

Posts regarding particular candidates should be in the Democratic Primaries forums, I think, anyway.

When I decide on a candidate, you can post and express that you don't like him or her. Each of us is going to vote for a candidate for the nominee, for our own reasons. May the best man/woman win.

[SergeStorms]

20. I won't tear down other candidates.

And I can't understand your insistence on posting in each Kamala Harris thread your displeasure with her. Nothing better to do than attack other Democratic candidates? Perhaps you should just ignore these threads instead of tearing another Democratic candidates down? Let's stop with the circular firing squad, OK?

[Honeycombe8]

22. Kinda testy, aren't you.

Take some deep breaths. Try meditation. Say to yourself, "Not everyone thinks exactly like I do. Not everyone thinks exactly like I do. I don't need to tell falsehoods and say someone is posting in all threads, when it's not true. I don't need to tear people down for disagreeing with me. I am complete unto myself."

I didn't "tear" anyone down, or post "in each Kamala Harris thread." That OP, bTW, should probably have been in the Dem Primaries forum, which is where you go when you don't want anyone disagreeing about your choice of candidate.

I am free to say that I am not going to vote for her for the nomination. I am free to say that I won't vote for Bernie Sanders, either. I will say that, like other people say that.

I didn't insult her in any way. In fact, I complimented her. She's just not my choice. She will not be the choice of many, but she will be the choice of many. Maybe you should accept that not 100% of the voting Democrats are going to vote for your guy. I accept that whoever I vote for will not get 100%.

[SergeStorms]

33. Right, you didn't insult her.

In this post anyway. Do what you like, I just don't think it's wise to tear down other Democratic candidates. You don't share that position and that's your prerogative. And I'm not being "testy". I merely take issue with people who decide to deride candidates not of their choosing. Believe me, if I were being "testy" you'd know it. Like I said, you could ignore posts about the other candidates, but you insist on voicing your displeasure without valid reasons for doing so. I'll just choose to ignore your posts about Harris from now on. That should make us both happy and decrease the perceived "testiness." Buh-bye.

[Honeycombe8]

34. Stating I'm not voting for someone is not tearing him/her down.

I did not deride her, either.

My post was nothing anyone should have wasted their time responding to, since it was just an off the cuff response to an off the cuff OP.

I noticed that in the posts I got, no one went into the reasons why she'd make a great President. Her qualities, behavior, positions on issues, etc.

I know from the past that I wouldn't, and won't, take it personally when someone says they're not voting for my candidate choice.

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29. wrong place

I wondered where this post went

[Kurt V.]

5. rec'd. i have 3 candidates i really like. She's one.

[MoonRiver]

8. I love her!

And I believe she's the best candidate to rub that POS's nose into the ground. Go Kamala!

[djacq]

10. She's the ONE!

[sellitman]

21. Agreed

She is still my 1st choice

I'd love Warren to be her VP.

It would drive the Cons crazy.

[greblach]

11. Top three

I like Kamala as well, very perceptive questioner at the Kavanaugh hearing...I also like Warren, right now though I am leaning Inslee...In any case my vote will be for whoever wins the nomination....

[The Liberal Lion]

14. The next President