Biden Needs To S*** or Get Off

[Irishxs]

I thought of supporting Biden but it worries me that he apparently couldn’t get small dollar donors (according to knowledgeable people) and would have to rely on big money donations. Sanders, Warren and others have no trouble with small $ donations. I like Biden, but his age bothers me, also (78) I must admit. Appreciate any thoughts.

[Cha]

1. He'll do it when the time is right

for him.. not for others.

[Hortensis]

89. :) Exactly. Don't understand the problem.

[elleng]

2. Sounds rude and not well thought out.

'Knowledgeable people' would be WHO? 'Apparently' couldn't get small dollar donors? Questionable, imo.

[gateley]

5. ...

I don't think we can NOT click a link w/Biden in the title!

[elleng]

11. Silly of us, isn't it, gate???

Will work on improving!!!

[emulatorloo]

29. Yep "Some people say..." He's polling pretty well w real people. No doubt they'll donate

if he gets in.

[lamp_shade]

3. Seriously?

[gateley]

4. Support whoever you want to --

It'll all shake out in the end. I'd feel perfectly fine with ANYBODY who's running (or who's thinking about it) I have confidence in all of them.

My most pressing issue - defeating Trump.

I love Joe, I personally think we need him for a myriad of reasons which I won't go into, but if it goes to somebody else, so be it.

We just have to stick together this time.

[OhZone]

6. This n/t

[redstatebluegirl]

27. I think it will take someone with a lot of government experience to begin to repair what 45 has done

I would prefer a younger candidate, but Joe would be ready on day one. I still haven't made a decision yet, I trust that if Joe is the nominee he will choose a young woman, Harris if I could say what I would like.

[Lefta Dissenter]

30. Biden/Harris

That’s been one of my choices, too.

[customerserviceguy]

33. A Joe Biden Presidency

would be desirable to clean up the mess left by 45, while providing a hands-on opportunity for the person succeeding Biden to get to know the ropes of governing this country.

[gateley]

35. Honestly, I think we'd be in good hands with any of them.

But my fantasy ticket was Biden/Harris, too, but I was just wowed by Pete Buttigieg on CNN's Town Hall. I think he and Joe would make a good pair. Not a woman, but he'd be the first LGBTQ candidate. And boy is he young -- looks like he's about 20!

We'll see -- it's so early and we might all change our minds as time goes on

[elleng]

52. I like that pair too, gate!

[CentralMass]

51. +1

[WheelWalker]

7. Horse

S***.

[Mr Tibbs]

76. I thought you were going to say

"Before the cart!"

[unblock]

8. only a year til it's only 6 months away from being a month before a few weeks before election day!

hurry up!!

[jberryhill]

10. Seriously

It's like the stores putting out Christmas merchandise before Halloween, for crying out loud.

[RandySF]

17. And the NH filing deadline is November, I believe

[jberryhill]

9. It's MARCH for crying out loud

[Laura PourMeADrink]

56. Yet the first debate is only 3 most away! Great idea DNC

[still_one]

12. Fine, if that is your criteria, then don't vote for him. He'll announce when he is good and ready

[ZeroSomeBrains]

13. He'll start campaigning when he decides to do so

I'm not too concerned about VP Biden as a candidate because of his record as a Senator but I might be wrong. I can't say in good faith that he's too old as he's around the same age as Senator Sanders.

[gateley]

36. I'm not sure the actual age really matters -- it's how "old"

the individual really is.

Our Seahawks coach, Pete Carroll, is the oldest in the NFL and looks and acts younger than most of them. Granted, he's about 10 years younger than Joe and Bernie, but it brings home that age is just a number.

Bernie and Joe are both impressive at their age.

[ZeroSomeBrains]

39. VP Biden has a lot of life left in him

Same with Senator Sanders. I have two grandparents over the age of 95 and although they have some dementia or memory problems they are doing just fine physically. Senator Sanders was a runner as a young adult and I'm sure VP Biden had quite the demanding schedule as VP. I would have few concerns with either one managing the responsibilities of the Presidency.

[gateley]

41. Honest to God, they both have far more energy than I do -- and I'm not their age.

Hell, they probably have more energy than I did when I was forty!

[LakeArenal]

47. Age doesn't seem a factor a when it comes to

RBG or Warren running or Hillary Clinton running again...

[gateley]

49. Agree. And how about Pelosi, Feinstein, Waters, and...? Amazing. nt

[ehrnst]

73. Are any of them running for POTUS? I hadn't heard that.

If they were, then discussion of their age being an issue as POTUS candidate would be relevant.

Yes?

Otherwise, it's a strawman.

[LakeArenal]

75. Your opinion not mine and at least one other.

[ehrnst]

84. I have no idea what that means.

Can you restate?

HRC and RGB not running for POTUS isn't an "opinion," it's fact.

The discussion of age being an issue is for the position of POTUS. POTUS is a 24/7 on call job (when it's being competently done), with international travel, long hours and very high stress situations that require mental acuity and the ability to listen and absorb large amounts of information and act on it in a short amount of time.

Not so much for a SCOTUS justice... So the metric for RGB is different. Is that clearer?

Individuals age differently, but the issues with things going wrong due to aging start in most people at 70. Usually they appear later in women than in men.

ANY POTUS candidate needs to be transparent about their health.

[LakeArenal]

85. Whatever. You and I rarely agree on anything.

[ehrnst]

86. Hit a nerve? (nt)

[LakeArenal]

87. Nope not at all. Just don't like back and forth when you aren't going to change

And neither am I. Too early for nerves.
Besides I said almost always, disagree.
I have rec’d your post in the past. And believe or not you have rec’d a couple of mine.

Nope no nerves hit.....yet. We can work on that tho. (Joke)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

59. Or Sanders. Or trump

[ehrnst]

72. Has Hillary announced her candidacy? And I hadn't heard RGB is running for POTUS..

because that would be the only way that the comment about either one's age being an issue in a POTUS run would make sense.

If not...

[redstateblues]

80. Joe seems to be a lot more vibrant than Bernie

It may be Bernie's grouchy demeanor. Joe is a "happy warrior"

[ZeroSomeBrains]

82. They both seem to be doing pretty well healthwise

The fear for me in the back of my mind is somehow either one gets the nomination and dies between the time of the Convention and the general election. That would be a horrific situation. Of course no matter who wins they will have to deal with all the assassination attempts from the Neo Nazi gang being fueled by 45...

[BlueStater]

14. The fact that he's 76 now and will be 78 at the beginning of his hypothetical term

is a disqualifier for me.

People can attack me for ageism all they want, but I think having a president who will be 82 at the end of his first term is absolutely ridiculous.

1) Someone who is as old as Biden is is more likely to die in office than someone younger. It's just a fact of life. His father died when he was 86 and Biden won't be that much younger than that at the end of his term.

2) I don't like idea of the future of this country being molded by people who will not be alive to experience it.

3) I feel like we've had more than enough members of his generation as president. For heaven's sake, he's four years older than Bill Clinton, a man who would have become president almost 30 years before he did. No thanks.

[nolabear]

20. ...

[gateley]

38. See? She's still got it! Time to reacquaint myself with Grace. :-) nt

[chimpymustgo]

21. I think you have made some very VALID points.

A younger candidate also presents a greater contrast to The Orange One.

[customerserviceguy]

34. Anybody with a brain

and that includes all of the Democratic candidates running present a contrast to Trump, regardless of age, color, gender, etc.

And if your favorite, Kamala Harris, got the nomination, who would she pick for VP? Another newbie?

She barely warmed a US Senate seat for a third of a term before deciding to run for the big job. Yes, the same thing can be said about Barack Obama, but he had the good sense to add some gravitas to the ticket with Joe Biden.

[gateley]

43. I think my current dream ticket is Biden/Buttigieg ---

Buttigieg looks like he's about twenty -- he's definitely young, and although not a woman, he IS gay.

This might change, but I like the combo - they share a lot of the same values and visions. (I say like I know what the hell I'm talking about -- I've only seen one Town Hall with Buttigieg - but REALLY liked him)

[LakeArenal]

48. I like Biden Beto. But after watching ..

Biden/Swawell.
Or Buttigeig.

So many great choices.

[gateley]

50. I agree -- almost an "Embarrassment of Riches". We're very lucky. nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

57. No one has been able to defend her bona fides

except that she moves them. That someone moves you carries enormous weight, granted. Can she win Texas or carry Florida? No one has said how....but it's all about the numbers!!!

If our goal is to rid the country and world of Trump's stench...to me, you gotta prove HOW you help make that happen. Electoral college #s only.

[shanny]

79. Saw a bumper sticker: ANY FUNCTIONING ADULT 2020*

*hastening to add: I don't think a single R meets that standard--they are all stunted

[Irishxs]

46. We need a contrast.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

58. No one is more of a contrast to a disgusting amoral

egomaniac than ANYBODY

[sacto95834]

61. good point

but putting up an older candidate like biden or sanders will make the orange one look worse. they have much more vigor than trump.

[spooky3]

24. IMHO, much of your post reflects ageism. Point out what Biden does/doesn't do

that you object to, without regard to age. Making general comments about an individual based on his or her group membership is an objectionable "ism", whether it is based on age, race, gender, etc.

You (and I, and others) don't get a pass from legitimate criticism about bias when we engage in biased statements or other behaviors. This is not an "attack."

[emulatorloo]

31. Yet he looks 20 years younger and is very fit. I expect his physical age is much younger that his

numerical age.

[Cha]

60. And, I'm guessing.. Not botoxed.

[emulatorloo]

64. A picture from yesterday I believe

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[Cha]

69. And, Biden has Jill.. a definite

asset!

Mahalo, emulatorloo! Oh yeah, the Fire Fighters!

[crazycatlady]

45. your second statement

Pete B spoke about this and made a very good point. He mentioned Trump said multiple times that he won't be around to experience XYZ so it does not matter.

Young people have issues that disproportionally affect them. Millennials are the first generation to not be (economically) better off than their parents. Not to mention that the planet is dying and this administration is taking no action.

[CentralMass]

53. Joe appears to a very healthy 76. I think his mother made it to 90.

My parents both made it it to their 9th decade. I'm not concerned about his age, or that of Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren who is going to hit 70 in a few months.

[emulatorloo]

67. Most definitely a healthy 76. I am surrounded by mid 50's men who look like an unhealthy 76

[RandySF]

15. I have a feeling you're not really undecided

[Irishxs]

18. Was waiting on Sherrod Brown. Have to find new candidate.

[RandySF]

16. Btw, Bill Clinton didn't announce until September 1991

so where’s the fire?

[AdamGG]

40. There was about 6 months when Paul Tsongas was the only declared candidate

[nolabear]

22. I can't resist posting this twice in this thread:

[MineralMan]

23. I think I'll rely on Joe Biden's experience to

Decide when to announce. I'm not qualified to tell him what he should do or when. Just saying...

[Lefta Dissenter]

32. Yeah, but

How’s he going to get any name recognition???

[forklift]

25. Relax ... 9 months till Iowa nt

[redstateblues]

26. The next President will be elected in the mid-west WI, MI, PA

Joe can win there.

[emulatorloo]

28. Why? The first primary is almost a year away. He's got time.

Btw I am not so sure I believe these “knowledgeable people” you’ve been listening to.

Sounds a little like a Fox talking head going on about how “some people say”

He’s polling well, surely you don’t believe those supporters would not make small donations once he announces.

[Irishxs]

44. Heard it on Morning Joe yesterday.

[emulatorloo]

55. I'd take anything said on Morning Joe w a huge grain of salt

[NurseJackie]

37. I have similar feelings about anyone who hasn't released their tax returns.

[gateley]

42. ...

[liberal N proud]

54. Sometimes the late horse wins the race.

[herding cats]

62. Who else do you like? Just curious, anything positive to say about them?

Or Biden, the person you "thought of supporting" for that matter?

I'm 100% not interested in non substantive negative blather or hyperbole. It's a personal thing I've evolved into after the horrors of 2016.

FWIW, I'm knowledgeable in small money donors. I am one after all. If Biden looks like our candidate in the primaries he'll get my monies.

[Tipperary]

66. +1.

[zazfan]

63. Announcing a year before the first primary is ridiculous

RFK hadn't even announced a year from today! Make it a law that nobody can register as running for president earlier than say November of the year before a presidential election year! I am certainly not going to bother looking at candidates before then. Constant campaigning is a scourge. Biden could easily wait another 6 months as far as I'm concerned.

[jcgoldie]

65. Whats the rush?

I don't get it.

[emulatorloo]

68. FWIW: Biden Speaks To Chants Of 'Run, Joe, Run' As 2020 Decision Nears

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/12/702530602/biden-speaks-to-chants-of-run-joe-run-as-2020-decision-nears

Biden Speaks To Chants Of 'Run, Joe, Run' As 2020 Decision Nears
Scott Detrow March 12, 201911:57 AM ET


Former Vice President Joe Biden speaks to the International Association of Fire Fighters in Washington on Tuesday, amid growing expectations he'll soon announce he's running for president in 2020.
Andrew Harnik/AP

Looking out over a crowd of firefighters chanting, "Run, Joe, run," former Vice President Joe Biden urged patience.

"Save it a little longer; I may need it in a few weeks," he said, adding, "Be careful what you wish for."

Biden isn't officially running for president — at least not yet — but Tuesday's speech to the International Association of Fire Fighter's annual conference blocks from Capitol Hill served as the latest warmup act to a potential 2020 campaign.

<much more at link>

[WeekiWater]

70. Not according to the polls and the excellent campaign he is running. NT

[Mr Tibbs]

71. We are a loooong ways out

No need to panic

[ehrnst]

74. ....

[shanny]

77. I'm wondering if his delay is a kind of strategy

to build momentum / nomination by acclaim or some weird thing to avoid discussion of his record / previous missteps (what I consider to be such)? Otherwise I don't get it.

[beachbum bob]

78. whats the rush?

[earthside]

81. Bad Feeling about this ...

I like Biden, too.

But he is too old and he seems to show and act his age more than, say Bernie.
I'm not going to support any candidate over 65, except maybe Warren.

And ... with Biden's track record as a presidential candidate I just have a bad feeling that at 76 years old, when he makes one of his predictable Biden mistakes it is going to be debilitating and very sad.

I really hope Biden doesn't get into this.

[UniteFightBack]

83. I'm thinking that small dollar donation thing ain't gonna be a problem because folks

are giving money to political 'hopefuls' like never before...especially Democratic ones.

[BannonsLiver]

88. Who says?