Welp! Sanders gets the coveted Michael Moore endorsement. The rest of us can go home now.

[wyldwolf]

What Democrats need, Moore told Seth Meyers on NBC's "Late Night" Thursday, is "a beloved candidate who's a street fighter" to inspire the Democratic base of "women, people of color, and young adults between 18-35. That's 70% of who's going to vote next year."...

... Of the current candidates, Meyers asked, which are street fighters?

"Two," Moore answered, identifying one, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders.

https://www.coloradopolitics.com/quick-hits/michael-moore-backhands-hickenlooper-as-he-talks-strategy-video/article_a91eaa2c-afa8-11e9-a491-1fc2be49a2bd.html

[Thekaspervote]

1. I don't think the other candidates are very envious of that one...

[SouthernProgressive]

2. Sanders can't catch a break. NT

[still_one]

35. LOL

[Cha]

45. ..

[sandensea]

3. Ah, but he was right the last time.

I voted for Sanders in the primary and Hillary in November - but many didn't. They unfortunately stayed home - just as Moore warned they might.

This goes to the sad fact that Hillary couldn't inspire progressive voters they way Bernie could. She commanded respect - but, alas, not enthusiasm.

That's the key, in a close election (barring fraud, of course - which I know Cheeto's working on as we speak).

[wyldwolf]

6. So, in effect, he's saying...

"we'll hold you hostage and let Trump win if you don't let us have our way."

[sandensea]

12. What I think he's saying instead,

is that a Democratic nominee who can't inspire enough voters, plays right into Cheeto's grubby little hands.

I like Joe Biden, and will be happy to vote for him in November and encourage others to do so.

But I know many won't - and in a close election, it would only take a couple of points of abstention to get Orange Amin re-elected.

[wyldwolf]

14. but that's open to interpretation

If Sanders couldn't win the primary last go 'round, and he (by all measures) is doing worse now, why should anyone believe he can "inspire" the most people?

[sandensea]

22. True - but remember that there's more of a 'loose cannon' component in the progressive vote

One of the greatest strengths of mainstream Democrats is that you can count on them to vote for the nominee almost without regard to who it is (within reason, of course). Loyalty.

But your more progressive, left-wing Democrats are more prone to staying at home (or, in more extreme cases, voting Green) if the nominee doesn't check off enough ideological boxes for them.

That's their big weakness, no doubt about it. I've long warned my fellow Sanders-wing Democrats from falling into that trap, whenever the conversation arose.

Most in fact know better than to do so - but a substantial number don't, sadly.

[wyldwolf]

23. which takes me back to my original "hostage-taking" analogy

[sandensea]

25. Could be - but there's no denying that 10/20% of progressive voters would probably stay home

if the nominee is an "establishment" Democrat - no matter what Moore says, or anybody.

I wish to God they wouldn't - but in this country, alas, voting isn't compulsory. Many will stay home if Biden's the nominee.

[still_one]

36. Then they are not progressive voters, but racist enablers, who contributed to the

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loss of two SC appointments

What those so-called progressives did in 2016 is unforgivable

[sandensea]

40. Those who do so, even if it's not their intent, are - I'm with you on that.

Unity is strength. Our Rapepublican friends understand that ('Never-Trump', my ass).

[SouthernProgressive]

38. I'm not even sure it's up for interpretation.

After Sanders lost, Moore, Cenk, Turner and the rest of the crew continued to trash Clinton as a means to suppress the vote of those who admire them. To this point I don’t see that mentioned in your conversation. It’s provable fact. The only interpretation is that he said it and then worked to make it happen.

[Fla Dem]

28. So Bernie only has 13% of the support now. If Bernie is the nominee,

if even half of the Dem voters are not inspired by him, they're going to stay home. In that case we're toast fr sure. That type of thinking holds true for any nominee, yes?

[samnsara]

30. I'll vote for a god damned loaf of bread if thats our nom...

...i wont be happy if its either of a cpl of the candidates but any one of our folks are better than trump...but not every one of our folks can beat him

[sandensea]

31. Hear, hear.

Plus, we're lucky in that most of our candidates are viable (and certainly competent enough).

The trick will be seeing how the nominee - who'll most likely be Biden - plays in the general.

All in all, I think Biden can beat Orange Amin - in a fair fight.

But will it be a fair fight?

[Fla Dem]

39. So will I vote for whomever is the Dem nominee. Always have since I was old enough to vote.

But what I was reading was that Sanders is the only candidate that can inspire other candidate's supporters, so we all should fall in line and support him because progressives won't get behind other candidates.

This goes to the sad fact that Hillary couldn't inspire progressive voters they way Bernie could. She commanded respect - but, alas, not enthusiasm.

I agree, some of the candidates may not be viable.

[JI7]

7. he never mentions the Russian attack on the election when talking

about the election. look below to see who he was with on the day of the trump tower meeting.

[silentEcho]

19. Warned they might?, or telling them too. A lot of the base sees this differently than you.

[BootinUp]

4. Rofl. Nt

[JI7]

5. Michael Moore was with Assange on the day of the Trump Tower meeting

on "adoption".

[delisen]

13. Just 2 guys working for the patriarchy and claiming

they are "revolutionaries" instead of just "revolting."


The man in black is a multi millionaire; the other guy I believe has done enough work for the Russian leader Putin and his oligarchs to be handsomely rewarded-but I suppose it is possible they have stiffed him.

What I do know is that neither has any concern for me and my family

[dalton99a]

16. Michael Moore's silence about Putin and Russian interference is very telling.

[Gothmog]

8. Who is surprised by this?

Who cares?? Why should anyone care what Moore thinks? I stopped paying attention to this person a long time ago. I was amused to see that the last film by this person bombed at the box office.

Again, this endorsement carries no weight with most people

[JustAnotherGen]

9. To me - Moore contradicts himself

President Donald Trump will win a second term if Democrats choose a "professional politician" to run against him in 2020, filmmaker and liberal rabble rouser Michael Moore says -- and he includes in that category a certain former Colorado governor

Sanders ran third party campaigns in Vermont in the 1970's after moving there in 68.

Biden successfully ran for City Council in 1969.

There is a one year difference between them in age.w


This is why Moore's opinion isn't valid - to me.

This election is different. The environment has never been like this. The country is approaching peak diversity. There are 8 Candidates I think will be epic failures in a GE.

Neither Sanders not Biden fall in that category.

I also think come September - we are going to have a much cleaner field. Depending on GOP Senate and White House behavior . . .

A lot is going to shift in our field of excellence between the end of September and the first Primary.

I also don't think MY and Iowa will matter as much this time. SC and NV could say - nope. Don't read on us. We aren't going along to get along.

Strange days with too much uncertainty.

[revmclaren]

10. 'Moore' problems for Sanders (I-VT).....

Less for Biden.

He can have him.

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[JI7]

11. women and POC are not supporting Sanders

i remember when he tried to use the women's march to promote Sanders.

lived Ashley Judd cutting him off. i bet he still gets angry when thinking about that.

[dalton99a]

15. "Vote for Trump - it'll make you feel good"

Speech given by Michael Moore on October 24, 2016 in Ohio

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THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE GREEN PARTY; In Nader Supporters' Math, Gore Equals Bush
By DAVID W. CHEN
OCT. 15, 2000

From the standing-room-only logjam near the stage to the nosebleed seats near the championship banners of the Knicks and Rangers, about 15,000 people of all ages, hair colors and political backgrounds filled Madison Square Garden on Friday night for the biggest rally yet supporting Ralph Nader's presidential bid. ...

Michael Moore, the filmmaker, lambasted the front-runners. ''A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush,'' he said. ''If they both believe in the same thing, wouldn't you want the original than the copy? Wouldn't you want Bush? Sirloin or hamburger? Which would you go for?''

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html

[JI7]

17. so he doesn't consider Elizabeth Warren to be a fighter ?

he doesn't speak for poc and women either who mostly DO NOT support Sanders.

[W_HAMILTON]

18. So, "to inspire the Democratic base of women, people of color, and young adults between 18-35..."

...we should nominate a 70-something white man who is a sometimes Democrat?

Okay, Michael.

[still_one]

37. ++++++++

[yardwork]

46. Says another old white guy! Sit down, Michael.

[yaesu]

20. I really don't care who endorces who, in the end

If the Democratic nominee can't inspire the 90 million voters that didn't show up the last time tRump gets another term.

[NurseJackie]

21. Michael Moore also supported Ralph Nader. He's also said that there's "no difference" between...

Michael Moore also supported Ralph Nader. He's also said that there's "no difference" between the GOP and the Democrats.

Michael Moore is a fucking idiot.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. As much as I despise a certain someone, we have bigger issues. KGB is already inside our entire

election system and they are going to cause chaos to start a war on election day and rump and mcconnell are going to help them

I strongly suggest all patriots get something to protect yourself

[still_one]

34. and at that time his wisdom told us a vote for Gore was a vote for bush

What an asshole

Did make a couple of good movies though. I think those days are over for him too

[RandiFan1290]

24. Good

We can't wait to vote for Bernie again!

[Go Vols]

44. +1

[Me.]

26. Two Guys Together Seeking Relevancy

[samnsara]

29. WELL..im a woman and im not inspired..

...i quit listening to Michael years ago. I loved his activism at first with the gun and health issues and FLINT! But then he got kinda fringe-y....

[still_one]

32. They share one thing in common, negativity, and bashing Democrats

[Kahuna7]

33. Oy Vey. That's all we'd need is MM out there as a spokesperson for the

Democratic Party.

Don't @ me.

[ucrdem]

42. Losing Michigan one vote at a time.

[TexasBushwhacker]

43. Because Moore endorsing Nader in 2000 worked out so well n/t