Debate thread # 3

[demtenjeep]

and gopryan says trump is right

[IcyPeas]

1. I wish they wouldn't agree with trump

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Exactly

[JI7]

2. isn't the debate over in 5 minutes ? or is it 3 hours ?

[BumRushDaShow]

7. It's almost done...

[demtenjeep]

3. ryan says #fatdonnie says trumps tariffs were good

buh bye

[True Dough]

5. Delaney really going out of his way to present himself

as the polar opposite of Warren and Sanders.

[customerserviceguy]

10. If his plan was to lift himself up

by contrasting with Warren and Sanders, he's executing it well, but it remains to be seen if it will work well.

[elleng]

11. He's done well in business,

and is a true Democrat. (Was my representative until I moved.)

I'm sorry he's not had opportunity to present his plans fully.

[customerserviceguy]

13. He's gotten a lot more time

than anybody polling within 2% of him.

[Raven123]

52. No one has been able to prsent their plans fully in this venue

But I think Delaney wasted precious time criticizing others, instead just laying out a plan and why it would be better.

[True Dough]

15. I can only judge by the DU response so far

and, by and large, it hasn't be positive.

[elleng]

17. DU is not representative,

hasn't been (in my experience.)

[customerserviceguy]

20. Agreed

Delaney is fighting for whatever share Bullock would get, or Hickenlooper or Klobuchar would like to hang on to.

[elleng]

23. Something like that.

(I like Klobuchar, fwiw.)

[thesquanderer]

133. I think Delaney came off better than Bullock, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar, also Ryan...

...but that's damning with faint praise. I don't think any of them make the September debates, nor do I think any of them should.

[customerserviceguy]

134. Clearly

he got more talk time than the other low-polling candidates. And if a Democratic voter is looking for a "centrist" candidate, he did outshine the four you mentioned.

He may be the one who did the best out of his debate. If he can get his support doubled as a result of this debate, it would still not be much, but it would give him a shove away from the bottom tier.

[demtenjeep]

6. Delany is a goofball mugging for the camera

every 3 seconds

[BootinUp]

8. Tim Ryan thinks he can fix it. Eom

[IcyPeas]

9. geez let Warren speak

[Pachamama]

12. "Trade Wars are for Losers"

Best Hickenlooper moment and quote

[BumRushDaShow]

16. !!!

That was a doozy!

[not_the_one]

142. he should have looked straight into the camera and said

Trump, trade wars are for losers.

[Pachamama]

14. And again....Warren for the Win when explaining why there are tariffs

[susanr516]

18. Indeed

[sharedvalues]

19. Also gopdelaney

Link to tweet

[pangaia]

36. horse race dontcha know

[brooklynite]

21. They appear to be running long

[Pachamama]

22. Mayor Pete!!!!

[Pachamama]

24. Apologies to the few Delaney supporters out there....

I just want him to go away.....even when he starts to talk about something worthy....he just doesn't stop when he should....

[snacker]

28. He's getting on my nerves.

[Pachamama]

31. Warren's answer on same topic made him look ignorant...

Yeah, he passed the getting on the nerves for me a long time ago...

[Pachamama]

25. Warren is great....

I love it when she gives her two cents....

[elleng]

27. Yes

[Lithos]

33. LOL

Don't you mean Delaney's 2 cents?

Personally - I think I would add his tax plan plus her plan together. I think she has put more effort into how to focus this money though.

L-

[pangaia]

41. her 2 cents is worth at least $3,585,184.99

[IcyPeas]

26. rich people have to step the f up. (and corporations too)

[Blue_true]

131. Rich people and corporations don't have an obligation to the rest of society.

They do have an obligation to insure their survival, and that is what I don't think they are fucking getting right now.

They can hoard their money and let the rest of society go down the shitter, but two things will happen, first the rest of society WON'T go down the shitdrain and second, chaos will take over. In a state of total chaos, the rich, corporations and their assets will be first on the menu.

Like I said, the rich and corporations only have an obligation for their own survival. They are seriously blowing it right now. Historically, the rich have been able to run off to stable countries when their countries fell into chaos. With the entire world melting down under the weight of income and wealth inequality, there will be no stable countries for them to run to and not enough bullets and weapons for them to all avoid being killed, killed after a lot of bad stuff will be done to some of them.

[demtenjeep]

29. Mayor Pete is great on the Student Loan issue

Loving him more and more

[customerserviceguy]

32. He is making great points. n/t

[IcyPeas]

34. he said earlier he was a junior in HS when Columbine happened

so young (or am I old?)

[Skittles]

40. he is young and we are old, IcyPeas

yes indeed

[True Dough]

35. I agree with him

Making loans more affordable is the way to go, at least as an initial step. Hell, interest-free would be a great policy.

[Pachamama]

37. I am very impressed by Mayor Pete...

He is so calm and intelligent....when I see Bernie next to him screaming, it shows very clearly that yelling does not win arguments....

[pangaia]

50. I'm not watching, per-se..

every so often I would hit 'play' and whenever I see Sanders screeching and flapping again, regardless of WHAT he is screeching about.... I just go back to working on the vibe part to the Symphonic Dances from West Side Story.
He is completely unaware of himself....

And I strongly supported him in 2016...

[bearsfootball516]

30. Now Delaney praising Ronald Reagan

[elleng]

39. 'Praising,' or noting an historical fact?

[CTyankee]

144. I thought the same thing...I think it was historical fact...had to be...Reagan is anathema...

[elleng]

145. Right

[susanr516]

43. SO done with Delaney

Marianne impressed me more.

[BumRushDaShow]

44. To paraphrase someone else in the other thread - he's a GOP talking point machine.

[BootinUp]

38. Bernie just decided to change the subject.

[IcyPeas]

45. he did a Kanye:

I'ma let you finish but....

[AnnieBW]

42. Williamson Nailed It!

Why are people on this stage Democrats?

She may be a flake, but she's more of a Dem than Delaney!

[customerserviceguy]

46. Maybe we will have her for a few more debates. n/t

[susanr516]

47. Amen!

[BootinUp]

48. I hereby appoint Marianne to the new cabinet position:

Secretary of the US Conscience

[IcyPeas]

51. i like it.

[madamesilverspurs]

58. I was thinking something more specific -

Secretary of Giving a Damn.


.

[zonkers]

65. She can be the director of karma

[underpants]

152. Feel the ❤️

[brooklynite]

49. This is actually programmed for 3 hours

[elleng]

54. Thanks for the info!

You still in your 'front row seat???'

[BumRushDaShow]

56. Apparently

which is probably why the started it an hour earlier than the last debate.

[customerserviceguy]

57. That makes up

for the opening "ceremonies" and the opening and closing statements.

So, then it will be three hours tomorrow night, too? That could be tough.

[susanr516]

53. Bernie has done a pretty good job tonight

And I'm not a Bernie fan.

[BlueWI]

71. Bernie's directness is refreshing.

Directness and the courage of convictions is too rare in these discussions.

[Sparkly]

55. Is it just me, or is Amy Klobuchar not getting a chance to make her point??

Over and over...

[Raven123]

59. Just too polite to run over the clock or not timing well.

[customerserviceguy]

63. She hasn't gotten a memorable line in yet

"All foam and no beer" was the best one of the first set of debates.

[nolabear]

67. CNN's tally has her at the least amount of speaking time.

She may have lost tonight.

[Sparkly]

86. CNN's fault.

Not hers.

[nolabear]

92. Well, not entirely. She didn't jump in or get others to bring her up so she'd get time.

Delaney and Bullock are assholes but jumped in and got major time.

[Sparkly]

98. Her fault for not being an asshole, then.

[nolabear]

108. You can do it without being an asshole. I like her.

I’m sorry she didn’t work the debate system better.

[Sparkly]

114. "Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator. Thank you, Senator."

"Thank you, Senator."

[BeyondGeography]

60. Tapper to moderate candidate: Progressive says X, why is he/she wrong?

All night long.

[orleans]

62. i'm still chuckling over his

question to bernie --- how we can we tell the difference between trump & sanders since they both said the same thing

ugh!

[Raven123]

64. Lazy moderators. Don't bother to read various proposals and ask incisive questions

Easier to pretend he is doing a Sunday morning talk show

[IcyPeas]

61. I am torn as to whether to meet with dictators.

pros and cons

[BlueWI]

66. Mayor Pete is impressive.

Measured, specific, respectful. Very thoughtful and accomplished candidate.

[customerserviceguy]

68. He mostly needs

to hold his ground, he can gain ground later in the debate calendar, when the fringe candidates are pretty much eliminated. He'll have enough poll support and unique donors to go all the way to Iowa.

[elleng]

69. Maybe

[customerserviceguy]

73. It's true

the bottom could drop out, but that can happen to any of them.

[BlueWI]

121. I agree.

If he's got a good ground game in Iowa and New Hampshire, it's on.

[customerserviceguy]

123. He certainly has the money

to pay for a good ground game. I have a feeling that his donors will not be discouraged easily.

[BumRushDaShow]

72. He called out the GOP "enablers" in Congress

[Pachamama]

78. That was amazing....and he looked directly into the camera and was speaking to them

....and their constituents.....

[BlueWI]

83. His address to the GOP enablers was the best line all night.

Wise words well delivered.

[KentuckyWoman]

111. That hit will leave a mark.

On every Republican in office countrywide... I hope.

[Pachamama]

75. What GOP Representatives will be remembered for if they don't speak out against

....Trump on racism....

[W_HAMILTON]

84. I might switch back to him after tonight.

On the whole, I think I agree with him on policies the most, and I appreciate his thoughtful and nuanced and intelligent answers on every topic. Hmm, to switch or not...

[BlueWI]

89. I hear you.

I deeply appreciate Inslee as a package - policies, experience, personality.

I am also a big Warren fan and it would be awesome for her to break the glass ceiling.

Mayor Pete just makes so much sense and has the "adult in the room" vibe that Obama had too.

[madamesilverspurs]

70. Ummm....

Did Bullock sneak in a hip flask?

.

[Blue_true]

135. What is a hip flask? nt

[Celerity]

150. small metal flask for liquor you keep in a pocket

[Blue_true]

158. Thanks. I am a total rube when it comes to alcohol. nt

[True Dough]

74. Pete handled the ageist question deftly

as you might expect from a 37 year old PRODIGY! He turned it into an anti-racism message and got plenty of applause.

[customerserviceguy]

77. I'm sure his staff and he have worked hard on that.

He needs more than 2% support in the AA community to get the nomination.

[True Dough]

94. 2% is an improvement over 0%, where Pete actually stood among AA voters in one poll

but I believe in his ability to keep growing that support. He's a truly remarkable individual.

[customerserviceguy]

99. It will be a true test

of his ability to be a leader. All Presidents have to get out of times of lowered approval ratings. That is, if they care to.

[jcgoldie]

76. Well I was sort of thinking Don Lemon had been better than Tapper and Bash until...

Oh you're so young he's so old... discuss! Is that a real fucking question?

[customerserviceguy]

81. It was a softball to Pete

and of course, he could knock it out of the park.

[Celerity]

79. Warren is bad on foreign policy, Bullock lit her up when she said first strike off the table

Her stance is madness. And I am sooooooo anti-hawk. It makes zero sense, less than zero, to say only way we launch is after we are already nuked.

[BlueWI]

124. I thought she answered well.

Threatening a first strike is a throwback to the mutually assured destruction policy that kept us on edge all through the Cold War.

What tactical advantage would a first use of nuclear weapons give us anyway?

[Celerity]

125. taking first strike off the table would make Putin cum in his borscht in expansionist glee

It is madness

[BlueWI]

128. Ok.

It probably makes sense to remember that we're not the only nuclear armed power.

If Putin re-invades Eastern Europe using conventional forces, you really think a nuclear strike solves this? They have nuclear weapons too.

Opinions vary I guess.

[not_the_one]

143. within 30 seconds of nukes being shot at us, we would know

and would respond in kind.

But saying we would be the first to strike, on a hunch, begs for someone to do the same to us.

There is no easy answer, but we have to walk the walk, if we are going to talk the talk.

IMO...

[Blue_true]

136. Great points. Made even more so given that the most dangerous nukes are on Subs, which won't

be subject to a first strike and which would obliterate everything afterwards.

[BlueWI]

138. Thanks.

Good points also about the subs.

[fallrey]

127. Warren's foreign policy is interesting

Her thoughts on foreign policy were interesting to me on two points.
1. No first nuclear strike. Her point is valid. We need to calm things down. And if this gets misinterpreted as weakness by other states or actors, we have our nuclear arsenal to show that we are not weak. And the way we conduct foreign policy will also show that. Someone has to lead on this issue as everyone starts freaking out over climate change. She is thinking this through, imo, despite what we were all taught in university or college classes on international relations/politics.
2. Trade agreements. She's right. She wants concessions that benefit workers and reverse the race to the bottom aspect of commerce and capital. It is a grim world otherwise, despite all the benefits of international trade. I don't believe she wants to undermine trade. But folks, we are in a climate crisis and we want to conduct policies as if we have all the time in the world?

She is the clear winner for me tonight. She is thinking with this moment. I'm with her, though still open to Harris.

[Ponietz]

80. Pete just killed it talking to Republicans watching the debate

Paraphrasing—at this moment, whether you choose party over country, will be the one you are remembered for.

[W_HAMILTON]

82. Did they bump the debate time from two hours to three hours?

I could have sworn that I saw it advertised as 8pm - 10pm ET, but they've blown past 10pm and now it looks like they will be going to at least 11pm...

[customerserviceguy]

85. It's gone from a sprint

to a marathon. For viewers, too.

Good thing that they have ads for a pee break!

[BumRushDaShow]

91. They are at least doing the final remarks

I call this CNN bait and switch.

[Blue_true]

139. A person in the Hall said it was programmed for 3 hours. nt

[Chemisse]

87. Bollock seems patronizing towards Warren.

But his arguments aren't nearly as compelling as hers.

She is pretty hyped up. Where does she get all this energy? She is doing quite well though.

[customerserviceguy]

90. Maybe she set up a wind turbine

on her Bernie side?

[Chemisse]

104. LOL!

[customerserviceguy]

110. Hey, as red as he was

it might have been geothermal.

[Blue_true]

140. I get the impression that she has a really good fitness regimen. nt

[customerserviceguy]

147. She could out arm-wrestle me

but that's not saying much!

[BlueWI]

112. Trying to make a rep.

Didn't do much.

[BeyondGeography]

88. I think I know what Bullock sounds like when he's drunk.

[BumRushDaShow]

93. ...

[demtenjeep]

95. he got no points for being on the stage...he had more when he was not on the stage

I love Mayor Pete

[Celerity]

96. Cheap and childish shot

[BeyondGeography]

101. Oh, did I violate the no humor clause?

Ok, he’s garrulous.

[KentuckyWoman]

105. Ha... I was just wondering if his water bottle is vodka.

[KentuckyWoman]

97. PETE!!!!

Omg.. He just opened up on Republicans and it was breathtaking.

[BootinUp]

109. Yeah he gut punched 'em . Nt

[KentuckyWoman]

119. I am genuinely undecided

We have a stage full of great ideas. But on presence... Pete takes it on this one.

[MBS]

113. His closing statement was fantastic.

Effortlessly connected the dots, and he threw in those perfectly crafted swipes at the Republicans at exactly the right moment.His closing statement was the highlight of the entire debate for me.

[KentuckyWoman]

122. Sharp guy. His mom should be proud.

They pass over him at their peril

[Corgigal]

132. With a perfect

vocal imprint. I wonder if he studied the science on that. You always know when he's talking.

[Sunsky]

100. I'm liking this Marianne lady

Is Ryan a Democrat? Wow. At least he gave them practice in Republican talking points. Sanders should learn to make a point without shouting. However, it was a great debate. Buttigieg, Warren and Marianne impressed me. I wish Klobuchar got more time in.

[susanr516]

102. Good closing by Mayor Pete

[IcyPeas]

103. superficial note:

Warren and Klobachar are both wearing red blazers over a black top. don't they discuss this stuff beforehand?

[elleng]

107. THEY don't do trivia.

Looks like their staffs don't either.

[customerserviceguy]

115. If we're talking fashion

there were a lot of guys with blue suits and brown shoes, too. I only use black shoes with dark pants.

[IcyPeas]

118. I always think the brown shoe thing is a

preppy thing. I have no facts to back that up however. LOL

[unc70]

126. Not preppy. Never brown shoes with dark suit

Brown shoes and belt are ok with a blazer and dark trousers (or khaki pants) in a less formal setting.

[OnlinePoker]

146. Justin Trudeau does this all the time along with playful socks. n/t

[Celerity]

151. that is not true

Dark brown cap-toe oxfords or monkstraps with a great dark navy suit look wonderful on a man.

The one exception, however, I can instantly think of is where my parents work, The City (London). In banking and insurance, etc. most firms are really rigid and elitist still, not just on suiting and overall attire, but school background, etc., but even that is changing a bit at some of the firms. Also The City is really poor example for most of the rest of the world, lolol, as it is truly a little planet unto itself, and deffo not all for the good.

[unc70]

153. GQ might approve, but not formal enough

The safe shoe choice in such a formal, scrutinized environment would be black Allan Edmonds laced shoes. It is not just the financial districts where brown shoes would be viewed poorly. BTW Allan Edmonds are made in the US and are often the choice for the inauguration.

[Celerity]

154. the debate is a not a semi (lounge suit or tuxedo) or full (morning dress or white tie) formal event

It is informal, aka business dress.

I did not use nor reference GQ.

Here is a Savile Row (his shop is now in Knightsbridge) bespoke British tailor's (Edward Sexton, who co-founded Nutter's at 35a Savile Row) outlook on brown shoes:

https://www.edwardsexton.co.uk/sexton-appeal/romancing/

Black can often look rather harsh when put against a tailored trouser; warm brown tones in various shades look softer and suitably elegant. Clean, half-brogue, Oxford monkstrap and wholecut shoes suit the clean lines of Sexton garment.

If you do not like the way the candidates dress, then send them your suggestions.

In terms of all politicians Trudeau is probably going to be first on your list, lol.

[unc70]

155. Actually not Trudeau

I strongly preferred the choices of Obama. Trudeau tends towards suits that are too tight (I know it is the current fad), both in the jacket and the pants. I do not find that look flattering on him, Trevor Noah, Colbert, or really anyone else. The jacket bunches up, even when standing. The pants pull. Too tight is not a good look for a man or a woman.

I think we shall just have to differ in our tastes. I grew up and live in one of the centers of preppy, Chapel Hill, NC. I have owned companies in the US and UK doing lots if business in the world financial centers, so I have tended towards the traditional in clothes and shoes (Allan Edmonds, Church's formal, and dear old Bass loafers).

[Celerity]

156. oh, I am not trying to force my style onto you, lol, especially as I am female

One of my main hobbies this summer in Stockholm in terms of men's clothing (I am a married lesbian so not a lot of practice, ihihih) has been trying to re-do my brother-in-law's wardrobe. He is 34, eleven years older than me, and dresses as if he were my younger (say 15yo) brother-in-law.

I am only having limited success.

[BlueWI]

116. I didn't even notice.

Does it matter?

[IcyPeas]

120. no it doesn't. that's why I said it was superficial....

[LuvLoogie]

106. I'm watching cooking videos on Youtube

Have any of the candidates pushed back on the format? Any one take it to Jake Tapper? Did he really ask "Are you going to raise taxes on everyone? Yes or No."

I would have said. "No Jake, I'm only going to raise them on you. I'm going to tax you so much you're going to have to look for a job."

[BeyondGeography]

117. Excellent call on the cooking vids

Might as well be productive after 2.5 hours of Watch Jake Tapper Undermine Democrats.

[MustLoveBeagles]

129. LOL

I would have said. "No Jake, I'm only going to raise them on you. I'm going to tax you so much you're going to have to look for a job."

[Laura PourMeADrink]

130. Just started watching..this is a shit show of epic

proportions. JHC. They are in a quibbling fight.

WTH...we have a monster in the WH.

Bet 90% have stopped watching.

[northoftheborder]

137. CNN vs MSNBC as moderators

I think CNN did a much better job of organizing the questions, of disciplining the candidates with their time, of spreading the amount of time for each, and for in general being more intelligent and concise in their brief but to the point questioning (no gotcha questions, or grandstanding). Lemon, Bash, and Tapper all excellent in my view.

However, the lead-in hour before the debates was awful because of the pundits on at that time. I do not ever watch CNN because too many of their talkers are unbearable. (Anderson and Lemon both excellent, but not on much of the time.)

Sanders and Warren both exhaust me with their manner, don't know why, I just want them to stop talking, please.

No huge standouts tonight, I'm lookin forward to tomorrow night. Klobuchar my favorite tonight.

[elleng]

141. TERRIBLE for substance,

fine if discipline is what you're after.

Interrupt, Don't allow candidates to finish sentences or thoughts.

[Gothmog]

148. Beto had a good night

Link to tweet

[Tipperary]

157. Lol.

[Gothmog]

149. Biden won tonight

Link to tweet