Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:00 PM

hlthe2b (98,672 posts)

The #1 issue for Dems (beyond defeating Trump) is health care. Does anyone think this debate

clarified this issue or allowed ANY of the candidates to make clear their policy and differences?

I think the way it was handled in this debate was merely theater and just muddied the waters more. I find it frustrating as hell.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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The #1 issue for Dems (beyond defeating Trump) is health care. Does anyone think this debate (Original post)	hlthe2b	Jul 2019	OP
The US corporate media prefers theater to substance.	guillaumeb	Jul 2019	#1
It's the format	Bradshaw3	Jul 2019	#2
debates these days are always theater. there are many ways to find out	JI7	Jul 2019	#3
Agree!	Thekaspervote	Jul 2019	#4
That's too bad.. seems like	Cha	Jul 2019	#5
Not enough, CNN wants fireworks and twerking instead of substantive answers	uponit7771	Jul 2019	#6
I did not watch either of the debates, but my impression from reading here was yesterday's debate	still_one	Jul 2019	#7
Yes, but this one's not over yet;	elleng	Jul 2019	#10
No, the issue (and everyone's 'solutions') are too complex to be clarified in such as forum.	elleng	Jul 2019	#8
it was confusing	bigtree	Jul 2019	#9
No it has not provided any clarity for most Americans	tulipsandroses	Jul 2019	#11
The sheer number of candidates has made it impossible to dive deeply into the issue.	Music Man	Jul 2019	#12
#1 issue should be climate change (n/t)	Spider Jerusalem	Jul 2019	#13
I'm just referring to recent polling. I don't disagree with you on climate change.	hlthe2b	Jul 2019	#14

Response to hlthe2b (Original post)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:02 PM

guillaumeb (42,641 posts)

1. The US corporate media prefers theater to substance.

The debate format shows that.

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:02 PM

Bradshaw3 (7,246 posts)

2. It's the format

Just not intended for thoughful policy debates. Not enough time and it's all about theatrics.

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:02 PM

JI7 (88,268 posts)

3. debates these days are always theater. there are many ways to find out

about candidates positions.

the debates are the worst way.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:04 PM

Thekaspervote (30,728 posts)

4. Agree!

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:04 PM

Cha (289,499 posts)

5. That's too bad.. seems like

that was the mods/cnn's goal?

Btw, health care was the Numero Uno issue in the 2018 Blue Wave Midterms.. and they WON on ACA.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:06 PM

uponit7771 (89,577 posts)

6. Not enough, CNN wants fireworks and twerking instead of substantive answers

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:07 PM

still_one (89,140 posts)

7. I did not watch either of the debates, but my impression from reading here was yesterday's debate

was more substantive

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:09 PM

elleng (125,794 posts)

10. Yes, but this one's not over yet;

1st and 2d halves of yesterday's were very different.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:07 PM

elleng (125,794 posts)

8. No, the issue (and everyone's 'solutions') are too complex to be clarified in such as forum.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:09 PM

bigtree (84,173 posts)

9. it was confusing

...not a good place to look for answers on Dems and health care reform.

Private insurance took a big hit.

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:11 PM

tulipsandroses (4,898 posts)

11. No it has not provided any clarity for most Americans

Thats what these candidates are forgetting - They don't need to debate the nuts and bolts of each plan to each other. They need to sell it to the American people. Trillions vs billions, 5 yrs vs 10 yrs - Sorry none of that matters to the average viewer who is worried about their co pays or all the other issues concerning insurance that people worry about- how much is coming out of their pay check every month, is this covered? How much is that drug gonna cost? How much is that lab test gonna cost? The doc ordered that lab but my insurance doesn't cover it so I'm not gonna do it. So maybe I don't find out what illness I have till its more advanced. How is your plan better than the one that these people already have?

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:13 PM

Music Man (1,167 posts)

12. The sheer number of candidates has made it impossible to dive deeply into the issue.

It's a shame, because there's a true, grand discussion to be had about health care. Real distinctions between private plans, a public option, and single payer. I love getting into the weeds in this topic (especially because I'm a proponent of single payer, and I appreciate when it's put to the stress test--I want it to work). But it just becomes silly questions and talking points where they're talking past one another:

Q: "Will you raise taxes on Americans?"
A: "Overall costs will go down."
Q: "BUT WILL YOU RAISE TAXES?"

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Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:15 PM

Spider Jerusalem (21,786 posts)

13. #1 issue should be climate change (n/t)

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 31, 2019, 10:16 PM

hlthe2b (98,672 posts)

14. I'm just referring to recent polling. I don't disagree with you on climate change.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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