Hmmmm.. how will some of those who spent 40 minutes attacking the most popular Democratic

[Peacetrain]

President living.. or probably who ever lived.. (96% of Democrats.. it just does not get any better than that..).. and lets just say they (the attackers) get the nomination.. how in the hell do they then turn to the Obama people to come and back them up in the election etc.. (not that they wouldn't.. the Obama's would stand up for any Democrat.) and think about how the republicans are going to use this against any Democratic nominee.. how the party candidates ran against him.. I am just stunned at how stupid that was and is..


Stupid, stupid, stupid

[hlthe2b]

1. I totally agree. n/t

[Peacetrain]

4. It has me gobsmacked!

[DownriverDem]

13. Then

trump wins.

[DENVERPOPS]

35. This whole charade is ludicrous

This whole thing is being run like Trump TV shows, apprentice, etc etc etc
It must thrill the Repubs to no end to see this charade on parade in front of national TV Democratic watchers.
It is beyond pathetic...........

I love the way they do the heavy lifting for the Repubs by letting them tear each other down. This provides the Repub with serious talking points against whomever wins the nomination. Being from Colorado, the fact that Hickenlooper or Bennet are even included in this travesty is a complete joke.......this applies to at least about 8-10 others up there on the stage.

I honestly think that the Repubs are going to get every last diversion out of Trump's daily antics, continuing to shove everything they hope to accomplish through while everyone's attention is focused daily on Trump. At the last minute the Repubs will impeach Trump, get Pence in there and run a pathetic lap poodle VP with him. Then they can tell their wavering supporters: "Look we saw the problem, came right in and took care of the problem and we are back to the Good Ol' GOP with great True Republicans that you all can feel good about voting for........."

When they spring this plan on Trump, they hopefully will have already moved the "football" out of Trump's reach and notified the military commanders not to obey any orders by Trump. They will also have to have the Secret Service clued to this so they can get ready to deal with Master Trump when he TOTALLY flips out.........

Narcistic Tyrants have a tendency to pay everyone back who is against them with some grandiose horrific actions...........Especially the Republicans who would have engineered the whole thing and spring it on him without warning with out any drawn out delays.....

They will also need to remove him from the public so he doesn't spill information on the large mass of Republican Politicians that have also been aiding the Russians, voting for anything that Putin wants and taking tons of money from the Russians, funneled thru the NRA.

AND Remember they will still have all the Judges they have appointed in place, all the Republicans in the Senate in place, all the advisers they have appointed in place, all the cabinet members in place, all the Supreme Court Justices in place, and all the de-regulation and changes in laws in place.............WASF

[Cha]

2. Lots of President Obama

supporters vote in the primaries, too.. so I gotta ask myself.. why are they shutting that door? For what?

[Peacetrain]

3. No Kidding.. I cannot see any logic behind this Cha..

[Cha]

7. There was talk about

them doing that as a way to bring down Biden.. !

The Twilight Zone.. I tell ya!

[questionseverything]

50. well the hispanics did call obama the deporter in cheif

bidens answer should of been, the Obama administration concentrated on deporting undocumented who had committed crimes.....

which is what Obama did and I have no problem with

instead biden misspoke saying Obama protected dreamers with the law.. when he didn't...he did it by executive order, which isn't as permanent


between that and biden not understanding the dif between a website and a phone text...he had another rough night

[Cha]

54. And, others think Biden

did good on the whole.

[questionseverything]

58. he has a huge lead ..all he has to do is hang on to win the primaries but to beat trump he needs to

take it up a notch

both the mistakes I sighted were easy to prepare for

[Cha]

60. I'm not juding anyone on the stupid

debates.

[questionseverything]

63. sadly about half the country will tho

people on du are pretty well informed but most people stay away from politics completely and if they bother to vote at all it will be because of some sound bite that caught their attention

[Cha]

65. We'll see when the

voting is in.

[Tarheel_Dem]

68. No one but hardcore political junkies are watching these debates. The ratings fell off dramatically

from the first round. I admit that I didn't watch either. As evidenced by the post debate polling, the debates aren't having the effect some would like. Biden still has a commanding lead, mistakes and all. People are looking for someone who can beat Trump, and that continues to be Joe Biden.

[questionseverything]

71. all i am saying is biden needs to be better prepared

trump has a knack for taking a tiny slip up and making the person seem addled

[Tarheel_Dem]

73. Doesn't matter. Trump has a talent for exploiting any "slip up", not just Biden's. n/t

[emmaverybo]

59. He rightly referred to the Comprehensive Immigration Act and did talk about the need to dis-

tinguish between those coming in legally, as asylum seekers, those here for years whom Obama wanted to give a path to citizenship and those who do not observe any process, which is unfair to
the people who do.

He need not answer for Obama. Let those desperados take their case directly to Obama to try to
score.

[questionseverything]

62. huh?

The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (full name: Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348)) was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the United States. The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria around high-skilled workers. The bill also received heated criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. The bill was introduced in the United States Senate on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture took place. The last vote on cloture, on June 7, 2007, 11:59 AM, failed 34–61 effectively ending the bill's chances. A related bill S. 1639, on June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM, also failed 46–53.

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////

of coarse he has to defend obamas record ,since he as the vp shares it


and I feel obamas record is fairly easy to defend, biden just needs to be lil quicker or maybe take a breath and get his talking points right

[emmaverybo]

66. Well, you said what I said. Obama supported a pathway to citizenship for millions and he supported

DACA, which Biden mentioned. Yeah, he could have been more clear, as they all could have been at times. But the questioner went from baiting him to defend Obama’s deportations quickly into asking if he, Biden, had tried to stop them.

Biden has always given strong defense of and loyalty to Obama. So he wasn’t prepared for Democratic rivals to attack Obama and bait him into second-guessing him.

[Zambero]

5. Sometimes stupid...

simply stands on its own as being such with no plausible explanation. This is a classic case in point.

[Cha]

8. I can't even

believe we're here!

[world wide wally]

6. Meanwhile, the GOP pushes sainthood for Reagan

[Peacetrain]

10. Bingo!!! and our people are cutting commercials for the republicans

for the 2020 election..

[SCVDem]

11. That's now

Racist Ronnie!

They could fly the stars and bars at Racist Ronnie's library.

Can't blame Alzheimer's for that!

[wryter2000]

33. I am so glad that tape came out

The man was obviously either racist or happy to pander to racists. Now, we know he was both.

[Princetonian]

9. Attacking Barack's brother who Barack said was "the best decision I made" will not win votes in SC.

Or anywhere else.

[LakeArenal]

12. All the View that it was crazy.

The all were supportive of Joe.

He’s still the most qualified and the world knows it.

[Guilded Lilly]

14. Very annoying. VERY.

[jimlup]

15. So what you seem to be saying is

that the mainstream dems can dish it out but can't take it? Why wouldn't the Biden supporters support whomever the Democratic nominee is to defeat tRump?

It is expected of everyone else to the point of ridicule but it doesn't go both ways?

[hlthe2b]

16. No. The issue is not eating our own and destroying the very record that we wish to build on.

You may have (seeming) contempt for Obama, but 97% of Dems DO NOT. He laid the foundation upon which every single one of these candidates will need to build, no matter how much structural change they have in mind.

[theaocp]

17. The beatings will continue until morale improves. n/t

[Demsrule86]

47. Beating leads to losing which will not improve morale...the GOP lost the House , the Senate and

the presidency in 08, but instead of beatings...they stuck together and made a comeback...some in this party need to knock off attacking other Democrats period...they only help Republicans.

[WA-03 Democrat]

20. You are mixing it up

My personal feelings are Biden supporters are pragmatic and will support the Democratic nominee whoever that is. I think we have great candidates.

Attacking Obama is different than attacking Biden. Yes, I do love Obama!

I hope Biden wins because I think he would do the best job and would win the WI, MI and PA. Maybe even OH. If it’s Warren, then great!!

[jimlup]

39. I think they were attacking Obama's record

and attempting to tie Biden to it. Since Obama wasn't there it certainly was a different game. However, we've all made mistakes in the past. They were going after those in a strategic way. Personally, I disagreed with several of Obama's decisions.

Still, at some level, I agree with you. He certainly was the best president in my adult lifetime. Perhaps it was naive of them to that route but with so many candidates in the field they are seeking to distinguish their positions. We'll have to see how it plays out. I'm hopeful that should a Warren or Booker end up the Nominee, all or almost all of the Biden people will be on board. But Biden does have to figure out how to defend his position with regard to the Obama legacy. Trump will be on it like a laser and you know that well already.

The process is a bit painful. And, I'm with you in being frightened that we must at some point become one and really figure out how to get rid of the dangerous orange clown occupying the White House right now.

Perhaps we all need to settle down a touch. Let's see where the August polling takes us. I think it will be interesting. After all, in a democracy - it is suppose to be the people, not the politicians, nor their campaigns - who get to decide.

[Demsrule86]

48. We will lose if Biden is not the nominee...the other candidates have disqualified themselves

with positions that will not work in Blue Wall states.

[KPN]

37. +1111

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. Right on!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[calimary]

18. And galling, galling, galling.

[BannonsLiver]

19. You know what's more stupid?

People here trying to downplay what was said and frame the attacks as something different than what they were.

There are a few people here who still have a bee in their berets and bonnets about Obama, for whatever reason. Mostly I guess because they didn’t get the magical unicorn show pony they wanted when he was president and fighting GOP obstruction at every turn.

You know what? Tough shit.

[Tipperary]

21. I hear you.

I have not watched the debates, though I have a friend who fills me in word for word lol. But this is why I just cannot watch. Dems attacking Dems. No thanks.

[BannonsLiver]

45. You are wise to skip them

Set up questions to get the candidates to fight each other and bizarre WWE style introductions. It’s a shit show.

[marieo1]

22. Some of the candidates are STUPID

I will NOT vote for ANYONE that attacks another democrat!!! The main thing all of them needs to do is BEAT THE REPUBLICANS. Not attack each other. Tell us what YOU are going to do to fix our government. And.............as far as VP Biden is concerned, he is a national hero - QUIT ATTACKING HIM!! If they haven't anything better to run on than running down another democrat, they better stay home!!

[pazzyanne]

29. Right on target, Marieo1!

[Frustratedlady]

32. I agree. For one, Biden is polite and it's difficult for him to attack a fellow Democrat.

He won't have any problem attacking Trump, though. I'm sure he hates what that Bozo says and does each day.

Two, they are making Biden pay for bills he passed or helped pass years ago. The scene changes over the years and laws are changed. They say Biden is slow on the uptake, well...I'll just bet some of the accusers can't remember what they said/did 30-50 years ago. Particularly when opponents are yelling at you from all sides. Was that a planned attack(s)?

It just grinds the chalkboard for me when he is attacked and particularly makes me mad to find out the attack was pre-planned, not spontaneous, to do so. Biden isn't an enemy of other candidates for heaven's sake.

As for Obama, I had to pick my jaw up off the floor at some of those comments. Trump is going to use each and every one of those comments in the campaign debates and GOP ads...they were just feeding him lines.

Wake up and engage your brain before your mouths, folks. Last night, I was able to file away some of the candidates as no longer relevant. It isn't Biden or Obama's fault that you are polling low or starting to lose ground. Get real!

[marieo1]

23. Some of the candidates are STUPID

I will NOT vote for ANYONE that attacks another democrat!!! The main thing all of them needs to do is BEAT THE REPUBLICANS. Not attack each other. Tell us what YOU are going to do to fix our government. And.............as far as VP Biden is concerned, he is a national hero - QUIT ATTACKING HIM!! If they haven't anything better to run on than running down another democrat, they better stay home!!

And...........as far as President Obama is concerned, he did a wonderful job even tho, the republicans would not work with him at all and vetoed everything. President Obama fought them every inch of the way. He held his head up high and still did a lot despite the negative republicans that would not support him at all.

[Skya Rhen]

46. Obama was able to accomplish the impossible.

[DallasNE]

24. Enough Of This Biden Equals Obama Crap

Attacking Biden's Senate votes has zero to do with Obama. I felt CNN brought much of this on with a series of gotcha questions but the candidates didn't have to take the bait.

[lark]

25. They were going directly after Obama.

Sickening.

[True Blue American]

27. This was the worst debate I have ever tried to watch

And turned it off about half way through. Everyone I talked with this morning did the same.

But it did solidify who I Can not back, so there is that.

Screeching, attacking does not work with me. I saw 3 or 4 adults there last night.

[emmaverybo]

26. Um they attacked Obama's immigration record, not Biden's senate votes. NT

[JI7]

30. they attacked Obama directly. this isn't about Biden and his Senate votes.

[Demsrule86]

49. All candidates including but not limited to Harris and Booker have baggage as we saw last night.

[stonecutter357]

28. let's go Joe !

[bluecollar2]

31. Watching that exhibition last night

Helped me decide who I'm not voting for in the primary.

[gordianot]

34. Yes and I was actually starting to lean toward one from California.

At this point the VP position would be sketchy. That said any of the people on stage would would be a vast improvement over the total disaster we suffer through everyday.

[bluecollar2]

43. Time for a "Come to Jesus meeting"

Between the Party leadership and the candidates.

I doubt many of last night's participants would have made it through this forum without getting alerted on or tombstoned...

[Grins]

36. I'm still made at Alison Lundergan Grimes, and Al Gore

I'm still made at then-Senate candidate (v. McConnell) Alison Lundergan Grimes refused to say whether she voted for President Obama. Over health care!!

I'm still made at Al Gore for abandoning Bill Clinton when his popularity was in the 60's!!

[BlueIdaho]

40. This really shows some seriously bad political advice.

Let’s face it, there are only so many Democratic “A” level political strategists for hire. After the top 5 candidates have hired the best - you get the leftovers - political hacks who think attacking President Obama is a good idea. The bottom tier candidates should ask for their money back after getting shit advice like this.

[redstatebluegirl]

41. Beyond stupid! What were they thinking!!!!!

Let's just give Trump the election with a bow wrapped around it. The republican ads coming out of last night are staggering.

[Lytex59]

42. Snatching Defeat from the Jaws of Victory

Last night's debate left me angry. To defeat the worst president in our history, all the Democrats have to do is show up, act respectful of one another and debate to the best of their abilities the issues that are undermining our democracy. Instead, those who are consumed with ambition have reached back decades to find something that will hurt or embarrass their opponents. Those irresponsible candidates are turning off voters--literally snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. How very stupid and immature. We deserve better.

[bluecollar2]

44. +100...n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. We need a candidate who has been properly vetted before nominating that candidate

to take on the Racist-in-Chief... that's how primaries work!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Kurt V.]

51. when a candidate is running as obama 2.0 what choice do they have?

[emmaverybo]

56. He has not touted half the things he accomplished as VP. If he can be grilled about votes from

fifty years ago, he certainly has a right to refer to the eight years that he served in the Obama
administration where he was responsible for far more duties than most VPs in recent history.

Biden envy and desperation to score a hit are not good reasons to try to get at Biden by throwing
Obama under the bus. Shame on those who did.

[Kurt V.]

61. no disagreement here. bad strategy imo. but what i said still stands.

[Hortensis]

55. When I googled to see who I missed, I only found

Harris and Booker.

Seriously, were other candidates criticiz- excuse me, attacking Obama/Obama admin; or is this, like almost anything that can be used to suggest and hopefully generate strife, being grossly overstated?

[Pisces]

57. Stupid is as stupid does.

[MadDAsHell]

64. Call anybody racist, call anybody evil...if it earns you at least a 1% poll bump. That's my motto. n

[Tarheel_Dem]

67. The candidates who engaged in that got some really bad advice. I'd fire any advisor who thought...

this was a good idea. I love and miss PBO more than ever, and anyone trashing him can kiss my a**.

[Peacetrain]

70. That is what I think.. good grief.. did they get together and think hmmm lets take out Biden

by attacking President Obama.. Stupid does not even begin to explain it.. The man took us out of the great recession.. nothing as bad since the depression.. put us on the road to recovery.. everywhere.. jobs 200,000 plus.. even the deficit started going down.. not to mention Health Care that Roosevelt could not do.. and that is the person they want to attack.. God save us if they get in office


And may I add his VP.. Joe Biden.. put all the work into getting Detroit back on track.. and pushed the envelope so for equal marriage.. I sit and think about it and get myself so worked up I could cry

[Gothmog]

69. It is a mistake to attack President Obama's record

Link to tweet

[peggysue2]

72. Said this from the beginning . . .

Going after Obama and extending the meme that Barack Obama's Administration was naive and/or too cautious to push "big ideas,' particularly in the atmosphere we're experiencing at the moment? Borders on suicidal madness. And political malfeasance.

President Obama's approval numbers are off the charts with Democratic voters. Our own base, people we need to come out in droves to vote in 2020, love and respect President Obama, deeply yearn for a sense of normalcy, a return to the calmness of a POTUS who steered us away from the cliffs of economic ruin to mention only one disaster dumped on the man's plate. And whatever the challenge was, whether you agree with the end result or not, the man always acted with dignity and grace and honor.

So yes, this whole scenario simply plays into Trump's hand who couldn't ask for a better gift--talking about Barack Obama rather than his own incompetence, corruption and thug-like behavior.

Dumb and dumber.

[betsuni]

74. Anyone who does this is really Baracking up the wrong tree.