The Madness of Democratic Candidates Trying to Cancel Obama

[wyldwolf]

First of all: Did this second round of debates change anything? Maybe. We’ll see the polls starting over the weekend but earth-shaking change seems unlikely; ratings seems to have been really low (8.7 million on the first night, I don’t yet know about the second), and we didn’t learn a lot about any of them that we didn’t know.

I did however learn a really interesting thing: Barack Obama was apparently a Republican.

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Wednesday’s debate ended up being far more about Obama’s record than Trump’s. In fact, except for the rehearsed opening and closing statements, Obama came in for more criticism than Trump. This is absolute madness. And it’s political suicide.

Obama has a 97 percent approval rating among Democrats. And the way to rally and unify the party and get everybody on board in the effort to remove a racist authoritarian from the White House is to point out every single thing that Obama did wrong? Nothing will dispirit the Democratic rank and file more than that.

I kept listening to all those attacks on Obama’s record on immigration and criminal justice and all the rest thinking about these people watching and probably wondering what was going on here. The Constitution is being torched. The house is burning to the ground. And the villain Wednesday night was Obama?

Cory Booker at one point said to Biden that “you can’t have it both ways,” meaning of course that Biden can’t invoke the Obama association hoping to remind people of the good without accepting some of the bad. That’s fair. But you know who else can’t have it both ways? Every one of the rest of them.

MUCH more...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-is-burning-the-constitution-and-the-biggest-villain-at-the-democratic-debate-wasbarack-obama?ref=scroll

PS: Michael Tomasky must be a Republican. He relays the same damning info about Harris that Gabbard did.

[Cha]

1. This can't be said enough.. DO IT AT YOUR

OWN PERIL, 2020 Candidates

I kept listening to all those attacks on Obama’s record on immigration and criminal justice and all the rest thinking about these people watching and probably wondering what was going on here. The Constitution is being torched. The house is burning to the ground. And the villain Wednesday night was Obama?

Petty

[Cha]

2. I like Michael Tomasky.. I've been

reading him since the horrible bush days.

[wyldwolf]

3. Michael Tomasky - Republican Talking Points!!!11!111111!!!

[Kahuna7]

5. I've always liked him. nt

[Pisces]

4. These attacks are completely disingenuous and devoid of the reality Obama was working with. I tire

Of these candidates trying to make the news with their shock moment of attack. They have no answers on how they would have done things differently or what the F we are going to do know with the lunatic in charge.

[yaesu]

6. cnn manipulated that debate to go right where they wanted it to go

its a dog and pony show, but get used to it because as long as you include corporate networks in the process all you will get is, well, shit in, shit out.

[wyldwolf]

7. I'll give u the benefit of the doubt - are you blaming CNN for the attacks on Obama?

[myohmy2]

8. "This is absolute madness. And it's political suicide."

...I don't think so...President Obama was an excellent President but he was no saint...

...when he took office he could have had wall-street and banking by the balls and did an FDR but he chose not to...his record on immigration is less than stellar...

...Joe does want it both ways like Cory said but is that fair to stifle other primary contenders with legitimate questions about Joe's positions and history?

...I'm not one who's been blinded by Joe or his record but as front runner he should be able to take the heat...he must be able to take the heat...trump's attacks will be magnified a thousand fold over last night...better get use to it...

...there are no coronations in the Democratic Party...if Joe wants the nomination he must be made to fight for it and us Dem voters will benefit...

...that being said, I'm not insane...I will easily and enthusiastically cast my vote for Joe over trump if Joe's nominated...that's 'IF' he's nominated...but until then

...that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it...

[Cha]

11. Nobody said he was "a saint".. it's

the "madness" of bashing him as a 2020 candidate that's at issue here.

I say go for it.. see how that helps them when it's time to vote.

[wyldwolf]

12. Yes. Please. Let all the "progressives" do it.

[treestar]

32. 97% approval among Democrats

sounds close to canonization.

[ancianita]

9. Who believes this bullshit! There was NO "madness." NO. There was NOT more talk about Obama's

record on immigration OR about Obama's administration. This writer is LYING.

Michael Tomasky IS a fucking Republican. He's a bullshit journalist playing conflict-driven party horse race politics

Does THIS sound like madness to ANY of you?

CASTRO Re the Economy: Well, first of all, there are a lot of Americans right now that are hurting. Just go and ask the folks that just received notice that they're getting laid off by General Motors, or ask the many folks who are sleeping on the streets in big cities and small towns across the United States, or ask fast food workers that I joined a couple of weeks ago that are working for minimum wage and can't provide for their families or pay the rent.

So the idea that America is doing just fine is wrong. Not only that, this president always likes to take credit, like he did this. We have now had about 105 straight months of positive job growth, the longest streak in American history.

Over 80 months of that was due to President Barack Obama. Thank you, Barack Obama. Thank you, Barack Obama.

Biden On Healthcare:

Mayor de Blasio ... said in the past that Democrats who wanted to keep the private insurance industry are defending a health care system that is not working. What's your response?

BIDEN: My response is, Obamacare is working. The way to build this and get to it immediately is to build on Obamacare. Go back and do -- take back all the things that Trump took away, provide a public option, meaning every single person in America would be able to buy into that option if they didn't like their employer plan, or if they're on Medicaid, they'd automatically be in the plan.

It would take place immediately. It would move quickly. And it would insure the vast, vast, vast majority of Americans.

In the meantime, what happens? Did anybody tell you how much their plans cost? My plan costs $750 billion. That's what it costs. Not $30 trillion.

I have plenty of other Biden quotes, if anyone wants to see what he said about immigration.

DeBlasio also corrected Chris Matthews said that NO one criticized the Obama administration; they only asked Biden about HIS role. AND that media have to clear up their misunderstandings which show in how their questions misrepresent what they saw.

I saw it, too.

NOTHING in the debate was madness.

ALL of the debate was courteous in spite of clarifying differnences.

ALL of that debate was the epitome of civilized discourse.

Bullshit media should try it sometime.

[wyldwolf]

10. "Michael Tomasky IS a fucking Republican."

Predictable.

[ancianita]

13. He's been a divisive figure about Democratic politics for a long time. From 2010:

his "The Elections: How Bad for Democrats?"

What Democrats have typically not done well since Reagan's time is connect their policies to their larger beliefs. In fact they have usually tried to hide those beliefs, or change the conversation when the subject arose.

[wyldwolf]

15. So what's the problem with that quote? And one quote makes him a "divisive figure?"

[Cha]

14. No he's not a republican.. I've been reading

Michael Tomasky since the bush days. He's not a republican.

[wyldwolf]

16. Apparently defending Obama is now a Republican trait?

[ancianita]

18. Who is defending Obama? And why is Obama relevant for a thread at all? Please proceed.

[wyldwolf]

19. "Who is defending Obama? And why is Obama relevant for a thread at all? "

Who is defending Obama?

In this article, Michael Tomasky

And why is Obama relevant for a thread at all?

Because I said so.

[Cha]

21. Not sure what's going on there..

But saying "..Michael Tomasky is a repub.." doesn't make any sense to me.

Michael Tomasky

[wyldwolf]

22. I doesn't make sense to anyone but ancianita, apparently

[ancianita]

17. In spirit, he is. I don't care what his party registration. He's a shade caster. Present one

constructive article he's written about Democrats and/or the party.

This is how you start the hated "circular firing squad."

I have the entire transcript of the debate that proves everything he thinks is wrong.

Let's review these articles before posting them here.

All bad perception does is muddy our thinking.

[wyldwolf]

20. Wow! We got live one here.

[Cha]

23. Michael Tomasky is not the only

one who's calling this out.

If you see it another way then so be it.

[wyldwolf]

24. Eric Holder? Republican. Joy Reid? Republican. Al Sharpton? You guessed it. Republican

[ancianita]

26. Do NOT put words in my mouth. That's gratuitous provocation. Tomasky pulls a right wing BS take,

and you defend posting him.

Seriously.

You posted this OP. Why. Did you write your own thoughts about it? Or just put it out there?

If you post an article, shade the writer's words to separate them from your own.

E.G., who wrote "PS: Michael Tomasky must be a Republican. He relays the same damning info about Harris that Gabbard did."

Please do me one favor: explain why you thought his unfounded ideas were worth posting, and stop commenting to make my fact-based opposition about me.

[wyldwolf]

28. If you think Tomasky is using right wing talking points (damn that's starting to sound cliche)...

... then alert on the post.

[Cha]

29. That's right! Last I heard they were

Democrats!

[ancianita]

25. Calling what out. What. Nothing Tomasky says happened. I've posted a transcript. Please read it.

No madness. No disrespect. No rudeness.

A lot of humor, laughs, and hard info.

The only debate that comes close to tense happened Tuesday, not last night.

I really don't know what you're talking about. I myself am not arguing with people here. I'm not a "live one." I'm incensed at the article. I'm arguing with unfounded perceptions and interpretations.

[question everything]

27. I would love to hear from African Americans here

There have been threads about how the other five: Booker, Harris, Sanders, Buttigieg (not sure about Warren) cannot make an inroad into African Americans. I think that attacking Obama can provide the answer, but would like to hear from the ones who know.

[Cha]

30. Debate Backlash: Many Democrats Say Criticizing Obama's Legacy Isn't A Good Idea

“I think attacking President Obama is bad policy and bad politics,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut said Thursday. Of Biden’s tenure as vice president, Blumenthal added: “He owns it, for better or worse. But he should be proud of it.”

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois also suggested the Democratic race should be marked by a more hands-off approach toward Obama.

“You can disagree with him, and I have, but the bottom line is ... he did an extraordinary job, and he should be given that recognition by those that are running for the presidency.”

Link to tweet

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-obama-2020_n_5d4326a6e4b0ca604e2edddd

[treestar]

31. Too many candidates who are not ready for this and had no business running

but the Orange Creature had no experience at all, so now everybody thinks they have a shot.