Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders walks back suggestion Bezos meddled in Washington Post coverage
At least partially...
Do I think Jeff Bezos is on the phone, telling the editor of The Washington Post what to do? Absolutely not. It doesnt work that way, Sanders told CNN.
The comments mark a reversal from earlier this week. Speaking in New Hampshire on Monday, Sanders questioned why the newspaper doesnt write particularly good articles about me, noting it is owned by Bezos, whose handling of labor practices at Amazon Sanders has consistently criticized. I guess maybe theres a connection, he added.
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Sanders' comments drew comparisons to the rhetoric of President Donald Trump, who has linked what he sees as the Post's unfair coverage of his administration to Bezos, calling the newspaper a tax scam and a lobbying tool for the Amazon CEO and labeling it the Amazon Washington Post.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/bernie-sanders-bezos-washington-post-1461360
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,231 posts)the only one who votes for true members of the Democratic Party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)of attacking the credibility of Marty Baron, to the point where Baron made a rare public statement to defend the WAPO newsroom.
Maybe he didn't know who Marty Baron was until Baron made the statement...
In any case, the 'walkback' is weak tea. He denies saying that Bezos "is on the phone telling the staff what to do" but he's certainly not going to admit that he was wrong in his implication that the newsroom is somehow trying to please Bezos by writing articles that are "not particularly good" about Bernie, like having the nerve to report that his campaign staff is in a labor dispute with him.
Sanders never, ever, ever, admits he is wrong, or has ever made a mistake.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,692 posts)Let's refresh.. Nina Turner, David Sirota, Bri Gray, Dr Dooley, Jeff Weaver..
Yes, I would imagine when they read Marty Baron's piece in the WaPo it was a wake up call to reexamine what they started..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=237821
Mahalo, ehrnst!
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)He is going out on the stump, doing interviews, and showing up to debates completely unprepared.
Going off on the media like Trump does and then walking it back. It's just gaffe after gaffe.
He didn't prepare for his run. Holly Otterbein, a journalist and Sanders surrogate, highlighted this in one of her pieces.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-2020-election-1459217
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)stories to be fairly objective and balanced. And I am not one of Senator Sanders supporters.
Otherwise I am in agreement with your take.
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)For the most part, it is simply pro-Sanders with droppings of anti-Biden sentiment.
https://twitter.com/hollyotterbein?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Please don't get me wrong, some of her pieces are excellent. That includes the blatantly pro-Sanders pieces. But it is clear she is there to help him.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,692 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....perhaps he should look introspectively?
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Cha
(297,692 posts)I read they were also complaining about the polls that were published.. something about them being "flawed"..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=238496
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George II
(67,782 posts)Just toss out an accusation and make everyone scurry for the facts, or not bother but believe him.
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Cha
(297,692 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,337 posts)Clearly, an anti-Sanders media cabal. What else could possibly explain such a disparity?
Well, maybe that the Quinnipiac poll was taken from Aug. 1 through Aug. 5, sampled 807 likely Democratic voters, and was the product of a highly respected polling firm with no known ideological leanings, while the Democracy Corps poll, run by proudly leftish Democrats, reached only 484 likely Democratic voters up to two weeks earlier.
So maybe paying more attention to the Quinnipiac poll reflected sound editorial judgment, not anti-Sanders bias.
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Not that it has no evidence at all. Sanders pollster Ben Tulchin notes that while several media outlets ran stories about the campaigns problems, new independent polling analysis finds that Sanders has gained the most support of any candidate since the second round of debates and is solidly in second place among the field.
Thats not inaccurate. The independent polling analysis to which Tulchin referred was from FiveThirtyEight, and it showed that in a weighted average of five post-debate polls Sanders gained (drum roll here) 1.8 percentage points.
Better than anyone else, but a thin reed on which to base an accusation of bias because political reporters were not impressed. Its not all that impressive.
https://vtdigger.org/2019/08/13/margolis-sanders-whining-is-not-good-political-strategy/
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Cha
(297,692 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,337 posts)At least that was the tone of campaign officials most recent press call.
Jeff Weaver said Sanders has gained momentum in the presidential race but he complained that the Vermont senator hasnt received the coverage he deserves after a strong showing in the second primary debate. The senior campaign adviser told reporters Monday that the imbalance isnt fair.
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Weaver wondered, for instance, why a recent Quinnipiac University poll showing Sanders trailing former Vice President Joe Biden 32% to 14% received extensive coverage; 47 stories were published about that survey, he said.
But another poll, this one conducted by the left-leaning Democracy Corps, was largely overlooked. It showed Sanders trailing Biden just 31% to 22%. Only two stories were written about it, according to Weaver.
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The campaign is rolling out evidence to support an alternative narrative. The polling data clearly shows that Bernies campaign is doing very well in a solid second place and has momentum and has made up ground especially after the second debate, pollster Ben Tulchin insisted. There is a lot of data to verify that, as opposed to cherry-picking a couple polls that dont have Bernie doing as well, which are outliers.
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Here's Nate Silvers' take on the allegations:
It isnt unusual for campaign flacks and reporters to go back and forth over coverage. Increasingly, though, that bickering now happens out in the open.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/08/13/sanders_campaign_accuses_press_of_bernie_write-off_140997.html?fbclid=IwAR2SpnrypQECs43NBzVPFgS7rFH9cTiahq-WZwwrlIyZueKhUewpYitGK1o
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Here's a link to the poll Weaver claims should have received as more coverage.
https://democracycorps.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Dcorps_July-National-Poll-072819-FQ-1.pdf
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Here's some information on the organization that did the polling.
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/democracy-corps/
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You can read VT Digger's coverage of the Weaver conference call here:
https://vtdigger.org/2019/08/12/sanders-adviser-criticizes-press-for-writing-off-campaign/
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comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,692 posts)Great information and verifies what some of us already know from experience.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Hence his anger, and attempt to discredit Marty Baron's journalistic integrity.
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comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,692 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,337 posts)based on alleged conspiracies rooted in the belief that journalists and editors are inherently biased and corrupt has probably disqualified him or herself from high office.
We already have a president who has eroded people's trust in journalism by shouting "fake news" every time he sees coverage he doesn't like and who founded his own personal news media via the internet in order to serve his fans thirst for bias confirmation. We certainly don't need another.
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Vegas Roller
(704 posts)Unless he is just pretending to eat crow while eating chicken.
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NYMinute
(3,256 posts)first by attacking the media
then by walking it back
Just a publicity stunt
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Gothmog
(145,567 posts)Link to tweet
Sanderss current candidacy doesnt provide that same narrative interest. Hes just one candidate among many, running somewhere between second and fourth in every poll a part of the big story, to be sure, but not the primary protagonist/antagonist, depending on the framing. If during the 2016 primaries he was getting something like half the coverage, most of it positive, now he can expect only to get a much smaller portion of a pie that has been sliced into many more pieces. Is that fair? Perhaps not, but youd have to define what fair coverage would look like for all the candidates to say for sure.
Its not as though Sanders is being ignored. I did a search on The Posts website and found 28 articles and videos mentioning him that appeared just this Monday and Tuesday. FiveThirtyEight monitors the volume of cable news coverage of the candidates, and what you see is that coverage pretty well tracks poll standing: Joe Biden gets the most, followed by Sanders, Warren and Kamala D. Harris clustered together. You might be able to make a case for why thats wrong, but you cant say its particularly unfair to Sanders.
And heres the thing: Im sure Sanders knows how this all works. Hes a smart guy, and he has been around for a long time. In most of the comments he and his aides make on this topic, you can tell they understand the incentives and proclivities of the media perfectly well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,692 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,692 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden