Biden keeps large lead in SC's 2020 Democratic presidential primary: JB 36; EW 17; BS 16; KH 12

[Skya Rhen]

COLUMBIA — Despite two shaky debates and some recent misstatements, South Carolina Democratic voters still prefer former Vice President Joe Biden in the South’s first presidential primary.

Biden led Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren 36 percent to 17 percent in South Carolina, according to the latest Post and Courier-Change Research Poll.

His advantage dropped by only one point from the last poll taken two months ago before the debates where Biden struggled in the face of pointed challenges about his political record on race and foes raised questions about his comment on working well with segregationists while in the Senate.

Biden has led all five Post and Courier-Change Research polls taken since February by an average of 22 percentage points. His lead in South Carolina is the largest among the primary’s early-voting states.



https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/biden-keeps-large-lead-in-sc-s-democratic-presidential-primary/article_d5064164-be11-11e9-8de3-03c1577ccfa6.html

[Cha]

1. So glad the South Carolinians

are staying with Biden!

Mahalo, Skya!

[yerop]

2. But Biden presents the same problems that faced HRC

I think those that (foolishly) chose Trump as a vote against "business as usual" will view Biden as another case of "same old same old" establishment politics. Trump got the vote of many people who feel economically screwed by income inequality. I don't think Biden offers an alternative for them. At best they will stay at home.
The only candidates that really appeal to those voters are Sanders & Warren, and the only one that can really inspire them, IMO, is Sanders.
I will vote for Biden if he's the candidate, but I feel he has the biggest chance of losing to Trump due to the reasons above.

[Hortensis]

3. All polls to the contrary, Yerop. Midterms to the contrary.

Those who voted for Obama and Hillary, and Democratic in the midterms, are already a large voting majority -- even after attacks take millions of voters out, and if we were distributed more evenly we'd win every election. The Republican leadership is even rejected and despised by their own voters.

We won't draw strong conservatives and aren't trying. We're talking to those who have become very unhappy and worried about Trump and the direction the RW party is taking the nation.

We're get more of those this time, either as voting Democratic or staying home. Both work. The question is how many and where.

(And you should check honest sources about Sanders's appeal. Generally speaking, he's even more distrusted and rejected by southern Democrats and Republicans, white, black and other, than in the rest of the nation. We live in GA, and I've never even caught even the slightest whiff of liking from our conservative neighbors, and to many he epitomizes the LW evils they fear, including satanic for some. This is the deep south Bible Belt.)

[yerop]

4. I hear you and that's reason to be hopeful but

again, HRC looked good in the polls too.

About Sanders, I think that if he gets a real forum where people really had to hear him, things will be different. The polls currently reflect what many people get through memes and smears (and the conservative media complex) that portray Sanders as somehow wacky or unrealistic. I truly believe that if he were the candidate and people really heard his message, he'd get both the votes of those you're talking about ("those who have become very unhappy and worried about Trump and the direction the RW party is taking the nation" ) while inspiring the ones I'm talking about (economically disenfranchised Americans who voted for Trump). I don't think that latter category will be very excited about Biden, like they weren't about HRC.

That's my practical view (how to get a Democrat in the White House) which combines with my beliefs (that we need real & drastic economic change, the kind Sanders & Warren represent).

[Hortensis]

9. I think the more people know Sanders, the less they like.

You do, so you may not realize the problems greater exposure would present. Most voters don't want class warfare and socialist revolution, they want the government the people established to work for them as it's supposed to. And being Democrats, they know they're really not just the same as Republicans, so what on earth is going on in his mind that he doesn't like them?

Of course you're talking about his getting his campaign rhetoric to a lot more people and somehow avoiding discussion of what he doesn't want discussed. The "real forums" all candidates would love to have.

It's true that in 2016 the media pumped him up and buried most of the rocks that might have caused thei r horse to stumble. But so far this time, even as 1 candidate in 24, there's been markedly more attention to what they protected him from before. Just look at how MSM just reported his use of Trump conspiracy talk; that was SOP for him before, but back then crickets from the MSM.

Of course as more candidates drop out, investments in him as a splinter candidate will become more worthwhile. Maybe he'll even have more town halls just for him. Even so, this time it will be different, including more attention to how corporate interests and foreign governments are trying to subvert and throw our elections to the Republicans. And this time we'll be seeing more of it exposed in real time, not after voting days.

In any case, real forums have a way of revealing truths good and bad, a double-edged sword.

[yerop]

11. "class warfare and socialist revolution" are GOP talking points you're using.

And speaking of conspiracies, you say "the media pumped him up" in 2016?

If you're coming at this from a conservative POV, then I understand your statements against Sanders and your preference for the establishment candidate. But please don't engage in GOP talking points. Would you slam Warren's bold economic proposal as representing "class warfare and socialist revolution" also? I hope not.

[JI7]

6. no, people voted for trump because of bigotry.

all the complaints about establishment are really about the changes which have brought more freedom and equality for women and minorities.

this is why Sanders attacked planned parenthood.

[yerop]

12. Sanders didn't attack PP & most racist bigots will never vote Dem

Sanders didn't attack Planned Parenthood, he's been a supporter for years: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-planned-parenthood

The "establishment" I'm talking about how some voters who are disenchanted view the major candidates of both parties. Many of these voters went for Trump in a very wrongheaded hope that he would break the business-as-usual modes that have exploited the working poor, living paycheck to paycheck.

[Thekaspervote]

5. Can't win without the AA voting block!!

[quickesst]

7. K&R!!....

[Vegas Roller]

8. K&R nt

[NYMinute]

10. Go Joe!!! K&R

[Scurrilous]

13. K&R

[Tarheel_Dem]

14. K&R

[Cha]

15. KR!!

[peggysue2]

16. Kick!

Another good showing for Joe in South Carolina.