Two groups apparently fear Beto immensely: Republicans and Sanders supporters

[scheming daemons]

And that shows that he is a VERY formidable candidate.


The panicked threads started by Sanders supporters in this forum over the past 24 hours shows that they know Beto bleeds the millennium support away from Bernie.


Interesting to observe.

[getagrip_already]

1. agree....

Only one candidate is playing these games, and has attacked every other dem candidate both personally and politically. Through surrogates to be sure, but the candidate is behind it.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. And it will NOT stop, it is part of the PLAN

yet, here we are PRETENDING he is

never mind, cant say it

[CentralMass]

27. The number of anti-Sanders postd and replies on this site over the last

few months eclipse those afainst any other candidate

[bkelly]

57. That's because

That's because we're winning.

[SFnomad]

59. Do you have to pay tRump a quarter every time you paraphrase his catchphrase? n/t

[TexasTowelie]

88. I think it goes to Charlie Sheen instead.

[SFnomad]

91. Yeah, maybe it was closer to Sheen than tRump ... still will get expensive after a while n/t

[ehrnst]

70. Winning what? (nt)

[Cha]

67. Yes shocking.. BS getting Vetted.

[DownriverDem]

34. Forget them

Biden/Harris would be a formidable team. It's about who can win the independents and those who are disgusted with trump. It's about the Electoral College. Our candidate must appeal to a variety of voters, not just Dems.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. God damn FUCKING right you are.

I dont know who is a bigger


never mind

I cant say what I need to say here, but it wont wake anybody up.

will it, no

[DownriverDem]

35. How about

Biden/Harris?

[NastyRiffraff]

6. Oh god, this again?

Corporatist, identity politics, DNC stacking against the sainted Bernie...blah, blah, blah, blah. You forgot oligarchy, establishment. Can't you guys think up something besides the old, stale, anti-Democratic Party crap? It didn't work the first time; it won't now. We know a LOT more now, and Saint Bernie is going to be vetted this time.

When he loses, we'll hear, yet again, how it was rigged against him.

[DownriverDem]

36. They totally forget

We need someone who can win the Electoral College. It's not about who I like or who you like. It's who can win!!!!

[Peace06]

65. They totally forget

Totally agreed! Whatever reputable Democrat can beat 45, is who I will vote for. I think we have to put personal likes and dislikes aside and get behind the nominee who will be best for our Country and get 45 out, IF he lasts until 2020 election.

[Freddie]

78. Yes this 100000x

And I just don’t think Bernie can win the general. Wait til the GOP Slime Machine starts on him.

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. BASH BASH BASH BASH , this is the place to come if you want to

Bash Democrats.

Yep.

Yep..

God DAMMIT

So GOD DAMN sick of the BASHING of Democrats on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND

Anybody else sick of it? Anybody else wondering what the FUCK!

[Dustlawyer]

26. +1!!!

Like them both plus several others already running.

[DownriverDem]

39. Not really

Anyone who bashes Dems here gets reviewed.

[rwsanders]

14. Great article supporting what you said at truthdig...

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/democrats-deserve-better-than-beto-orourke/

[Demsrule86]

18. It is a hit piece on Beto...but even they are forced to acknowledge that Beto will undoubtedly

siphon off voters ...particularly (this is my opinion) young voters.

[rwsanders]

25. We'll have to see where the campaign money goes...

there are so many candidates, most will be a flash in the pan. That's my guess for Beto.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

5. Some days half the threads here are anti Sanders.

So he must be a “very super duper formidable candidate”

Panic indeed.

[Eliot Rosewater]

13. So you are saying the DEMOCRATIC PARTY is PANICKING because of Bernie

This is DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND, we support DEMOCRATS

Please stop BASHING our party, please stop accusing us of PANICKING

This shit MUST STOP

[Hassin Bin Sober]

19. You should take it up with the Senate Democratic Leadership

Of which Bernard Sanders is a part!





Or the admins of this website.

[ancianita]

47. EXACTLY. All this fussing proves us suckers for media fomenting a conflict-driven horse race.

We are not who/what we are called.

We are especially not who/what we answer to.

WE ANSWER ONLY TO OURSELVES and the country's health and welfare.

We stand calm, unified and strong.

[George II]

15. Nope.

[Demsrule86]

20. No, people fear the division that could be caused...I don't believe Sanders will be the nominee...

but I fear he could damage our nominee and the party. I am not saying that is Sen. Sanders intention. My fear is some supporters would not accept the eventual Democratic nominee.

[Amimnoch]

40. Yes. Again. -nt

[LakeArenal]

50. Everyone seems to forget

Sanders has had help from paid Russian “Anybody But Hillary” posters and comments in the past. Whose to say that still isn’t in play?

Quit hating on DUers.

Plus, as much as we think DU is the top of the world for these discussions, more people out there never heard of DU or pay only minor interest. If half-truth is what they hear, that’s what they believe.

Posting false or half/truth about any of the Democrat (Not Democratic) candidates is just wrong.

[Lazy Daisy]

29. I know right?

[mac56]

45. THIS

[Tiggeroshii]

7. As a Sanders supporter I dont fear him

because I know that if he wins the nomination he will likely easily win the presidency. And to me that is the most important thing. Unfortunately I cannot say the same for all of the other candidates running.

[itsrobert]

8. Sanders did opposition research months ago

And then had op eds pushed out from his supporters. The writers however didn't disclose their ties to Sanders. They are terrified.

[qazplm135]

9. just go to Splinter

they already have a number of Beto Sucks articles up and it has been only 24 hours since he announced. They have articles on all the candidates sucking except Bernie for sure, but usually it was one per candidate.

[floppyboo]

61. Who is Splinter?

Do you find it useful to visit?

[qazplm135]

64. not really

Splinter is one of the former Gawker websites dedicated to politics.

It's pretty Bernie friendly, very far left. I go there to get the perspective of those folks.

https://splinternews.com/

For example, there have been four articles on Beto in the last 24 hours...the second one was titled "The Hubris of Beto" and the current one is "Beto O'Rourke was a teen shitposter."

They also really hate Pelosi. Or any democrat that isn't AOC and company.

[Cha]

68. Sounds like Fake News.. if they "hate Nancy Pelosi".

And, "splinter" is a freaking good name for them.

[TwilightZone]

81. Sounds rather appropriately named.

[floppyboo]

87. sounds like a bot farm

wonder who is stirring that poop pot? Probably not the most obvious. Think I'll pass on visiting. I'm probably considered way left by most of you here, although I'm pretty normal in Canada. There is no bad-guy left sites that I've come across ever - but I'm not on twitter and such - although there are a TON of fake left sites that lead you to right wing nut bar sites on FB at least. Crazy what's going on!

[betsuni]

89. If by "bot farm" you mean automated software, no. Splinter writers like Hamilton Nolan

aren't machines.

http://splinternews.com/this-is-all-so-ridiculous-1833317729

[qazplm135]

94. no, just a bunch of really young

(mostly) and really uncompromising idealists who think if it's not socialist it's crap.

[betsuni]

73. I hate-read Splinter all the time.

It's a great place to get the talking points. I jotted this down yesterday because it's so funny: "Bernie has been standing for his current positions for longer than our lifetimes, whereas virtually everyone else on the Democratic field has held their current positions for just a few years." Everyone else is an "immoral corporate sell-out" etc. All the talking points are there!

I don't bother to read the articles but go directly to the comments where the normal people correct all the stupid stuff. Important to click on the pending comments to see them all.

[qazplm135]

95. I don't care enough to hate read

I do find it mildly interesting when I've run out of other websites to read though.

[dalton99a]

11. Bernie voters in Texas already migrated en masse to Beto last year

and they're not going back, now that Beto is in the big race

[TCJ70]

16. Was Sanders running in Texas last year?

Is there a head to head poll somewhere?

[Autumn]

12. Progressives don't fear centrists. Beto bleeds no support from Sanders. You know who does

bleed support from Bernie? Gabberd, Inslee and Buttigeig.

[Demsrule86]

21. Wrong... Beto can take some of Sen. Sanders younger supporters.

"But O'Rourke's ability to connect with younger and progressive white voters — Sanders' source of strength in his losing 2016 primary against Hillary Clinton — puts him in direct competition with the Vermont senator."


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/inside-bernie-world-s-war-beto-o-rourke-n951016

[Autumn]

23. Whatever gives you comfort. David Sirota keeps pushing that too nt

[George II]

44. Not can, but WILL.

[ehrnst]

71. Progressives don't fear their candidate being asked for basic financial transparency.

[Autumn]

72. Fear?

[ehrnst]

74. ....

Yep.

The reactions are breathtaking. The one I'm replying to in particular.

[Mr Tibbs]

83. Sanders has already said he will release ten years worth of returns

So it's a moot issue.

[ehrnst]

90. "Moot" I don't think that word means what you think it does.

Like when someone says "soon" and years go by.

Or one says that they "have done so in the past," when they actually have not..

I hope the defintion of "Tax Returns" is clear to everyone now.

[TwilightZone]

77. Good luck with that.

Beto appeals to some of the same demographic groups. Assuming that there's no possibility of crossover is rather unrealistic. Or wishful thinking.

[Autumn]

79. Good luck to you too. Time will tell.

[TwilightZone]

80. Nah, I don't have a candidate yet.

He probably won't be my choice in the primary, but if Sanders wins the nom, I vote for him. Not that complicated.

I just think it's funny when supporters make absolutist statements that portray that kind of assured overconfidence.

Many of the candidates will appeal to the same demographic groups. There's zero doubt that some support will be fluid. It always is.

[RobertDevereaux]

17. Another Bernie supporter who doesn't fear Beto.

I welcome him and Joe Biden into the list of possibles.

And will vote for, and enthusiastically support, whoever triumphs in the Dem primary election.

[Cha]

69. Much better than BS' reaction..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Power 2 the People]

22. Not at all. We loved when Beto jumped in.

He would make a great VP for Bernie. Might help push us over the line in Texas. Really looking forward to his campaign.

[Bluepinky]

24. Bernie supporter here who doesn't fear or dislike Beto.

I’ll vote for whoever wins the primary, and right now, I think Beto, Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris have the best chance of winning. Actually, I think Beto might be our candidate, he’s young, smart and passionate.
He reminds me of Robert Kennedy.

[Nanjeanne]

28. I support Bernie and have zero fear of Beto. Interesting to observe the interpretation of people's

posts on DU.

[Stellar]

30. Or, It could be said that every other group here fears Sanders ...

I've not seen this much vitriol/anger here at any other candidate. It's like saying his supporters are not welcome here. My fear is that, if Sanders should win the nomination, no one here would support him against Donald Trump.

[Mojo2]

32. Fear

Really people fear Sanders? I think people fear the damage that a Sanders ticket would do to the party up and down the ticket, good lord, the guy cant even call himself a Dem until he runs for President! He has been in the Senate for ages, with little accomplishments, and then there's the baggage with his wife.

[TCJ70]

38. Yes. Here's example number one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128724031

[Lazy Daisy]

84. So you include family

When choosing or not choosing a candidate? Interesting.

People in glass houses and all that.

[Mojo2]

31. No to Sanders

I'm good with voting for any of the listed candidates as long as its not Sanders or Gabbard (zero chance). A Sanders ticket would get destroyed, we would lose the House and Presidency. I like a Biden-Beto ticket, or a Harris-Beto ticket!

[redstatebluegirl]

33. I could support either of those tickets.

I am not a fan of Bernie, but if he is the candidate, which I doubt, I will work my tail off to elect him.

[OhZone]

86. Yes yes yes!

To either of those!

Oh Yeah!

[solidLxxi]

37. I'm curious as to why you think Beto

is going to be stronger among young voters than Bernie?

Is it something specifically about his policies that will appeal to young voters?

Is it because he's younger than Bernie?

What is your reasoning here?

[scheming daemons]

46. Charisma... and he speaks their language

[solidLxxi]

98. I've seen a few videos of Beto

and I guess you and I have very different interpretation of what counts as "charisma".

[yaesu]

41. I don't know a lot about Beto but am looking forward to his campaign as I am the other candidates

I do know a lot about Bernie, Been following his political career for over 15 years, listened to brunch with Bernie every Friday for years, voted for him during the last primary & enthusiastically supported HRC during the GE . I'm sure he will run a strong, tough campaign but I have no idea how much support he will receive this time around nor if I will end up voting for him again. I'm going into this election with a clean slate, see what everyone has to say, do my own research, make up my own mind. I don't see anyone as being a threat, I just see many possibilities.

[jalan48]

42. It's OK to criticize Sanders ad nauseam but no criticism of Beto is allowed?

[emulatorloo]

62. DU encourages constructive criticism: facts,policy, records etc

So discussing things like that and expecting financial transparency from all our candidates falls within that category. Fact based.

However lies, baseless smears and innuendo, name calling, are attacks/bashing and aren’t allowed

Hope this helps.

Spelled out completely here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[watoos]

43. We have learned nothing from 2016,

Another thread that pushes the Republican 2020 agenda of dividing Democrats and getting us to fight among ourselves.

Mission accomplished.

[Reader Rabbit]

48. +1

I can't decide whether to start blocking people en masse or just avoid DU for the next two years.

[Demit]

56. It's the primaries. With 15 candidates (so far!) how can we not be "divided"??

What you call fighting is people sorting out who they want to vote for. Relax and understand the process.

[TCJ70]

58. Having different candidate choices isn't "division"...

...attempting to alienate a certain candidate/that candidates supporters is what creates the division.

[Demit]

66. The post I responded to was implying that the OP "pushes the Republican 2020 agenda."

Do you agree? If the candidates publish opposition research on their rivals, as candidates are known to do, do you think they are pushing the Republican agenda? Do you think candidates don't hope that oppo research will "alienate" a rival's supporters from supporting them? If candidates do it, why shouldn't we?

A primary is a contest, not a love-in. There's going to be a lot of blustering amongst various factions here. It doesn't worry me because I haven't made a decision on who my candidate is. I just know it's going to be a Democrat. How about you?

[ananda]

49. Not me

I like both!

[LonePirate]

51. They fear him for different reasons.

The Republicans fear him because he is a (relatively) young, white male - a strong counter to 45 for independents and weak Republicans who prefer a white male candidate. If Beto siphons some of those voters, old man 45 is toast.


Sanders supporters fear him because he attracts a very young and largely white demographic - the same demographic that forms the backbone of the Bernie's base. If Beto splits Bernie's base, Bernie is toast.

[stonecutter357]

52. K&R

[floppyboo]

53. I totally disagree with you.

First - why drag the Republicans into this debate? Your second paragraph gives some kind of numerical (?) data for Sanders supporters - where is the Republican fear group? Why are these 2 groups grouped together in your title line?

Second, from MY observation, I've seen a majority of threads started pro-Beto. You might want to include a 24 hour count of threads started.

Third, talking about policies of candidates is one of the things Bernie supporters do best!!! Also, investigating possible influence is another thing they do real good - hence the anti-pac groups.

Also, there is a great deal of skepticism amoung Sanders supporters for courting the 'middle' which is symbolized in the Third Way group that is supporting Beto, so of course you are going to hear some push back. I don't think this is all millennial, but a good chunk of the younger activists are definitely part of that group. So fear? I think not. More just simple push-back.

Some things will be more important to some people than some other things. I was under the assumption that this Democratic Primary sub-group was here to discuss just these sorts of things.

Not saying that 'emotional' reads aren't valid. It's always interesting to hear what the more enlightened empaths and seerers have to say.

[emulatorloo]

54. FWIW Our Revolution is not required to disclose the names of its donors

Just something to keep in mind when we talk about “dark money”

[floppyboo]

55. huh? I didn't raise that question

maybe you meant to respond to someone else?

[emulatorloo]

60. "Also, investigating possible influence is another thing they do real good - hence the anti-pac

You wrote

“Also, investigating possible influence is another thing they do real good - hence the anti-pac groups. “

I noted that like the pacs you are against, Our Revolution also is not required to disclose its donors.

I think Our Revolution is trying to do a good job electing progressives. It seems like to until Citizens United is overturned we’ll have to realize we may be stuck with “good” pacs to help us counter the egregious pro-Republican lie factory ones.

Maybe you see things similarly but the way I read your post it seemed like your views were black and white.

Hope this clarifies what I was attempting to convey. Admittedly my post was vague and poorly written

Cheers and

[floppyboo]

63. Despite your interpretation, I didn't say I was anti-pac

I do think, from what I've gleaned at TYT, that there is much investigation going on with each and every candidate to see who is paying for campaigns.

Is there a difference btwn PACs and super-PACs? Is the first 'good'? Maybe just message me if you know or this will end up way into tangent land. I thought only the latter were 'dark' - like Republican? Is that what you mean? I should research more before I type anything stupid. my bad.

[Gothmog]

75. Remember these threads?

A month or so ago, sanders supporters tried to attack Beto and these attacks flopped
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211571412
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211583806
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211585863
sanders supporters are terrified of Beto

[JackInGreen]

76. It's like junior high in here

Can we please take an example from our candidates? We've an embarrassing wealth of strong liberal and lefty voices, let's lift them up without tearing eachother down.

[RandySF]

82. Sure looks like it on Beto's Twitter feed

[Blue_true]

85. Hmmmmm? The same groups that feared and attacked Hillary. Hmmmmm? nt

[Laura PourMeADrink]

92. Turmoil...what TRussia wants. Plus they want dingbat

to run against the most liberal candidate.

[McCamy Taylor]

93. Um... be very careful about attributing the actions of anonymous people to a candidate.

The preparation of attacks on one Democrat by another -- and 'endorsements' of one Democrat by another, which has to be repudiated, are examples of what can be done.

From The Pat Buchanan playbook for CREEP, 1972
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/watergate/stories/buchananmemo.htm?noredirect=on

Just say no to divide and conquer!

[Iggo]

96. O'Rourke.

Jesus, I usually only have to do that with female candidates.

[Gothmog]

97. The gop is scared of Beto

Link to tweet

?s=20

[dalton99a]

99. What he did in Texas shocked the crap out of them

And he did it in plain daylight, working his ass off driving from place to place like an itinerant preacher