Bonus Quote of the Day (Biden)

[applegrove]

Bonus Quote of the Day

August 17, 2019 at 11:19 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 221 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2019/08/17/bonus-quote-of-the-day-1179/

"SNIP.....

“There’s an awful lot of really good Republicans out there. I get in trouble for saying that with Democrats, but the truth of the matter is, every time we ever got in trouble with our administration, remember who got sent up to Capitol Hill to fix it? Me. Because they know I respect the other team.”

— Joe Biden, quoted by The Hill, at a Massachusetts fundraiser.

......SNIP"

[applegrove]

1. He certainly is trying to ignore all Trump and the GOP have brought. Feels

icky. I wonder if this is for Biden what 'medicare for all' is for Bernie: if you build it they will come. Of course medicare for all is what we would all want if we could get it. Is bipartisanship?

[Skya Rhen]

4. Ironically, in order to get MFA, there must be bipartisanship. We do need 60 votes.

[applegrove]

7. Dam you made a good point there.

[Skya Rhen]

28. Thanks!

[R B Garr]

52. That's what stands out the most. Medicare for All must

not be a serious proposal if no one wants to put effort into actually getting it passed.

[LonePirate]

2. Then he should name a few pf them so we can verify if that is true or not.

[Cha]

3. Here's an incredibly important one..

Calling McCain to ask him to Vote "No" on the Repeal of ACA..

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/07/31/report-joe-biden-called-mccain-with-tearful-plea-to-save-obamac/23057819/?

Skya! https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243674

I believe him.. I imagine he's had more than a few repubs he's persuaded to vote his way over the years.

Biden's optimistic.. instead of dissing them and saying there's no hope.. he's leaving the door open.

[treestar]

47. +1

Cha. That is a good point. If there is no hope but voting them out, still that is tough when they come from red states, and if it doesn't happen, sitting around for two years hopelessly is all that's left to do with that attitude.

[Thekaspervote]

51. Good one Cha!!

[melman]

5. Oh my goodness

That is a very unfortunate statement.

[applegrove]

6. Read Cha right above you.

[melman]

8. Why?

What on earth does that have to do with the Republicans as they are today?

[Skya Rhen]

13. It is being suggested that no Republican has or ever will be willing to help with a Democratic

agenda. The example with McCain demolishes that theory.

If the past is the predictor of the future, then Biden's ability to convince McCain to vote to save the ACA, is very relevant.

[melman]

17. Can you name some of these "really good Republicans"?

[Skya Rhen]

25. Senator Collins and Senator Murkowski - did they not save Obamacare? Is that not good of them?

[Cha]

11. Mahalo, apple.. Instead of closing the door on

bi-partisanship by dissing them and saying in essence.. "there's no hope for them".. he's wisely leaving it open.

[crazytown]

23. Joe was Obama's negotiator with Congress,

so I guess you could say he failed in this instance - the most spectacular subversion of the Constitution in living memory.

[Cha]

33. Yeah, he couldn't persuade ******* moscow mitch

to hold a vote on Garland.

But obviously he's still not giving up.. ever the ******* optimist.

[democrank]

9. Don't know whether to laugh or cry

Unlike Joe Biden, I don’t have even a hint of respect left for the other team. I have no desire to slap Mitch on the back and call him Buddy.

[Cha]

16. Biden didn't say a damn word about moscow mitch.

[JaneQPublic]

19. Or Leningrad Lindsey

Meanwhile, McCain is still dead.

[Cha]

29. Yes, I know.. thanks. Biden's not closing

the door on the future. Things have been known to change.. and Biden being ever the optimist..

[treestar]

48. Either/or fallacy

you don't have to slap him on the back and call him buddy. But just ignoring that he is in that position means doing nothing. Which may be what happens, but trying is not out of the question.

[bigtree]

10. name them

...name these "really good" republicans and tell us why they're "really good."

Who is on this "team" that we should "respect?"

[Skya Rhen]

24. Collins and Murkowski. Thank them for saving Obamacare. That was really good of them. I'm thankful.

[crazytown]

12. Merrick Fucking Garland

I wonder what sort of catastrophe it would take for Joe to lose his faith in good Republican Senators.

[floppyboo]

15. this

[Cha]

18. Yes, Garland. Biden is still leaving the

door open instead of saying there's No Hope for repubs.

But, Biden, who leveraged his decades serving in the Senate to help become one of the Obama administration’s chief negotiators on Capitol Hill, has maintained that reaching across the aisle is the only way to implement long-lasting change.

“If you start off with the notion there's nothing you can do, well why don't you all go home then, man? Or let's start a real physical revolution if you're talking about it. Because we have to be able to change what we're doing within our system,” Biden said in June.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=243629

Yes, I know the pitchforks and torches are out for Biden over this.. but mostly I don't really care because I consider the sources.

[crazytown]

21. No pitchforks or torches from me,

just profound pessimism for finding a resuscitable soul in people with an R after their name.

[Skya Rhen]

26. I have 2 names - Collins and Murkowski. They saved Obama's signature legislation which has

Trump livid.

[crazytown]

27. And the late John McCain

the man who asked Obama to deliver a eulogy.

[Cha]

30. That evolving from when McCain and Obama

ran against each other in 2008 to McCain's memorial is just mind Blowing!

[Cha]

31. I know.. thanks!

[Control-Z]

35. No "over this".

Just "pitchforks and torches are out for Biden". Period.

It is so familiar - like I've seen it before.

[Cha]

38. Mahalo, Control-Z..

[Control-Z]

57. Hey, Cha!

I'm sooooooo tired of the Biden bashing. Feels a lot like something we're not supposed to talk about. Same games. Different names.

[Skya Rhen]

20. It took several good Republican Senators to save Obamacare, namely Collins, McCain and

Murkowski. Biden surely helped to avert the "catastrophe" of having Obamacare repealed, thanks to his personal appeal to McCain.

Had the "catastrophe" of having Obamacare repealed come to fruition then, perhaps, Biden would be singing a different tune - but, as it stands, he has proven that talking to the other side worked to save Obamacare. Fact. So, of course, he should have faith in good Republican Senators. They saved Obamacare.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[Skya Rhen]

22. Biden has a plan to remedy that when he takes office in 2021 - no worries....

[treestar]

49. Again, either/or thinking

you don't need "faith" in them. Just talk to them. You never know if you just don't even try. They are getting worse and worse, true, but there is no point in just giving up. First, we'd hear them calling Dems spineless, etc. Second when Biden tried telling us he agrees they are getting worse, Kamala thought that was a good time to spin it as being hurtful to black people rather than acknowledging the real point he was trying to make - though it seems not to have raised her in the eyes of the Dem voters as she thought. That distraction got us away from realizing Joe acknowledges that it is much harder now.

[DesertRat]

14. I think this used to be true, but not anymore.

Certainly not “an awful lot”. I’d really like to see his list.

McCain is dead, others have bolted. There are none left.

[Skya Rhen]

32. Biden: "There's an awful lot of really good Republicans out there". "Out there" means nationwide. He

is correct - there are a whole bunch of good Republicans in America - and there are some good Republicans in congress, which Joe also referred to...

[still_one]

34. Hmmmm, one of several threads on this. Funny that some of the more "outraged" by this had no

problem when Sanders said the same thing

Equally ironic when Hillary referred to a good number of trump supporters as deplorable, the some of same “outraged” posters jumped all over Hillary for saying such a thing

I would expect those who are so outraged by this will also be disappointed if AMY Democratic candidate doesn’t go out in full attack mode against registered Republicans

I guess when Sanders said"

"I don't think Trump voters are racists, sexists or homophobes"

that was cool though?

[Skya Rhen]

36. Sanders, Warren and Harris should distinguish themselves from Biden and refute that there are

good Republicans out there.

[still_one]

37. Well said Skya. In fact Sanders went even further by saying that he didn't think trump voters were

racists, sexists or homophobes a while back

I may be wrong, but would venture today that no Democratic candidate, except maybe the one's with lower poll ratings to get attention are going to into attack mode against registered republicans

[Skya Rhen]

39. Of course, the other top tier candidates would never say how "bad" Republicans are. That's

political suicide.

[still_one]

40. ++++++

[George II]

45. March 2017, here:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326820-sanders-defends-trump-voters-i-dont-think-theyre-racists

Sanders defends Trump voters: I don't think they're racists, sexists or homophobes

"Some people think that the people who voted for Trump are racists and sexists and homophobes and deplorable folks...."

[still_one]

46. Thanks. I am sure he had the same solid reasoning on why he voted against the Brady Bill

5 times. One of the excuses he used is because he wanted instantaneous background checks instead of a waiting period for hand gun purchase, ignoring the fact that the technology wasn’t there for reliable instantaneous background checks

[treestar]

50. +1

[betsuni]

41. When Rachel Maddow interviewed Sanders and asked him how he would deal with McConnell

if he were still majority leader in the Senate and Sanders were president he said, "I would be in Kentucky holding a rally with tens of thousands of people ... . We're going to rally the American people in Kentucky. We're going to rally the American people in Mississippi. We're going to rally the people in South Carolina to demand that their representatives -- I know this is a radical idea -- actually do what the American people want."

I mean, how is that more realistic?

[videohead5]

42. A bunch of Republicans hate Trump

Most of them have left the GOP.

[BlueMTexpat]

43. In fact, Elizabeth Warren has

found Republican Senators to co-sponsor some of her bills (ranked 4th among Democrats) and has a very good track record of doing this in the most recent records available (115th Congress).

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/elizabeth_warren/412542/report-card/2018

Elizabeth actually walks the walk.

[George II]

44. It's a shame that everyone doesn't think like him. Hating everyone that we don't agree with....

....100% is part of the reason we're in this mess today.

[LongtimeAZDem]

54. +∞

[peggysue2]

53. If we want lasting laws vs executive orders . . .

that can be erased, washed away by a turnover election then we need a bipartisan approach led by someone who recognizes how the system works, rather than relying on wishful thinking. Biden is simply telling the truth and keeping the door open for the next Democratic Administration to get shit done. Anything short of that ends with permanent gridlock, a road to nowhere.

Hate fests feel good but in the end produce nothing more than hateful rhetoric and intractable stances. Joe Biden has years of legislative experience, knows that schmoozing and arm-twisting can produce results. Consider the fate of the ACA had it been accomplished by Executive Order. Poof. Gone in a heartbeat. We want gun control/regulation. Do we settle for 4 or 8 years and hope for the best? Or do we push for a lasting solution? Same for Climate Change and immigration. Temporary relief or long-term results?

The only way to move forward with any progressive idea is creating and passing laws to that effect. And that means bipartisanship whether it makes us gag or not. Biden is setting the stage, saying: I will work the Congress. I can do this because I've done it before.

He could lie, of course, pretend that Dems are suddenly going to have a Super-Duper majority and all things will be passed and turned around. Instead, he's talking reality, pointing to the system that we have and how to work it for the ordinary American's advantage.

Because that's how shit gets done. Sausage-making, not fairytales.

[Cha]

55. Well reasoned, Peggysue!

Hate fests feel good but in the end produce nothing more than hateful rhetoric and intractable stances. Joe Biden has years of legislative experience, knows that schmoozing and arm-twisting can produce results. Consider the fate of the ACA had it been accomplished by Executive Order. Poof. Gone in a heartbeat. We want gun control/regulation. Do we settle for 4 or 8 years and hope for the best? Or do we push for a lasting solution? Same for Climate Change and immigration. Temporary relief or long-term results?

Thank You.. you should make it an OP if you felt like it!

[brer cat]

56. +++

If we become obstructive like McConnell, the public will consider us just like republicans and tune us out. Getting nothing done is not the way to govern and Biden knows that.

Great post, peggysue!

[emmaverybo]

58. Excellent post. NT

[Gothmog]

59. Biden's Weakness May Be His Strength

Joe is the most electable candidate. Joe is the best candidate to defeat trump https://politicalwire.com/2019/08/19/bidens-weakness-may-be-his-strength/

“Despite a seemingly unending series of gaffes and unimpressive performances in the two Democratic primary debates so far, Joe Biden retains a solid lead in almost all polls. He’s been consistently between 10 to 20 percentage points ahead of his main rivals nationally and also enjoys comfortable margins in Iowa and New Hampshire. By most counts, even if Bernie Sanders’ and Elizabeth Warren’s projected scores were to be combined – which almost never happens when a candidate drops out – it still wouldn’t be enough to match Biden’s projected score.”

“The reason for this is to be found in what many consider Biden’s main weakness. He’s an old-school candidate, with a policy platform and campaigning style that seem to belong to another political era. Even Barack Obama originally chose him as vice-presidential candidate to reassure electors with a message of compromise and reliability. And that was nearly 12 years ago – before anyone even thought Donald Trump could stand a chance as president!”