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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:34 AM Aug 2019

Bernie takes his revolution to the streets



(snip)

The Vermont senator’s team was ready to act quickly on the stranger’s request because it dovetailed with its plan to harness his state-of-the-art digital infrastructure and grassroots army of volunteers to keep Sanders’ promise to help American workers from the campaign trail. While other candidates have also stood on picket lines and used their email lists to raise money for progressive groups, the scale of Sanders’ efforts appears to be unparalleled in the 2020 field.

(snip)

“He knows that when he talks about a revolution, there are some segments of people who don’t know what he’s talking about,” said Faiz Shakir, Sanders’ campaign manager. “That’s why you see us trying to demonstrate that much more clearly — to give you a sense of what he would be like as a president.”

Sanders has tapped his email list to push his fans to join picket lines and labor rallies at Veterans Affairs hospitals, University of California campuses, Ralphs grocery stores, Reagan National Airport, a Kaiser Permanente campus, and McDonald’s restaurants in at least 12 places, including the first-in-the-nation caucus state Iowa and delegate-rich California. His efforts haven’t been limited to labor events: Sanders has also used his campaign apparatus to recruit volunteers to get out the vote for Queens District Attorney candidate Tiffany Cabán in New York and to boost turnout at a protest at a proposed migrant detention center in Oklahoma.

(snip)

Sanders’ campaign said it has sent hundreds of thousands of emails and a half-million texts to his supporters to push them to attend more than 50 strikes, protests and other events this year. It's a significant investment for a presidential campaign, considering there's only so much time or money Sanders' supporters are willing to give overall, and he's asking that they commit themselves to causes that only indirectly benefit his candidacy.

(snip)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/19/bernie-sanders-labor-protest-2020-1455151






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Bernie takes his revolution to the streets (Original Post) Uncle Joe Aug 2019 OP
Revolution (noun): brooklynite Aug 2019 #1
Revolution (noun): Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #2
Fair enough...I still don't see the Revolution coming from Bernie's crowd. brooklynite Aug 2019 #3
Time will tell Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #5
I thought he's been at it for 30 years? This is longer than the Thirty Years War of the 1600s. George II Aug 2019 #9
The U.S. Has Been At War 222 Out of 239 Years Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #14
The American Revolution only lasted 18 years, this one has been going on for 30+ years. George II Aug 2019 #56
Didn't you see the white reggae singer at the kickoff? ehrnst Aug 2019 #25
More than the Sanders supporters need to support revolutionary change BlueWI Aug 2019 #70
When Sanders uses his campaign apparatus murielm99 Aug 2019 #4
Revolution NYMinute Aug 2019 #57
We had a "revolution" of sorts 3 years ago. I doubt many want another one... TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #6
No we didn't, we had the status quo masquerading as change. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #7
Trump isn't the "status quo". N/T lapucelle Aug 2019 #12
Trump is the most dangerous President in modern American history, he is a racist, Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #16
So we didn't elect the status quo in 2016? lapucelle Aug 2019 #19
Insofar and the mega-wealthy string pullers are concerned we did. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #21
So, outside of being "the most dangerous President in modern American history", lapucelle Aug 2019 #24
Yes, DT is just so "status quo" isn't he? ehrnst Aug 2019 #26
"Corporate media," you say? ehrnst Aug 2019 #27
More whining about the corporate media TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #40
Goodness - YOU'RE citing POLITICO now? Did you have a change of heart over the weekend? ehrnst Aug 2019 #8
Bazinga! George II Aug 2019 #10
No, still the same owner but an excellent author of this article. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #11
So when Uncle Joe cites Politico, well, then it's 'different' and the ownership doesn't negate it. ehrnst Aug 2019 #13
So if a Politco article confirms an opinion it's a good source? lapucelle Aug 2019 #15
You didn't refer to any author when you shot down Politico last week... ehrnst Aug 2019 #22
I rejected the premise of your argument as well. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #28
There is a search feature on DU - feel free to use it. The date is right there in the screenshots. ehrnst Aug 2019 #29
I have made countless posts here at D.U. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #30
I believe that the date is included in the screenshot. So, here's how you use the advanced search ehrnst Aug 2019 #32
Thanks for that, I found it. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #37
Apparently your opinion about how Allbritton affects the credibility of Politico has changed. ehrnst Aug 2019 #41
I have posted articles of journalists or pundits that I agree with but it doesn't change my view Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #43
You stated that Politico's 'ownership' negated their credibilty last week ehrnst Aug 2019 #47
I have yet to see you defend Albritton. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #48
Yet another attempt to avoid the topic. ehrnst Aug 2019 #49
Albritton is the topic that you're bending over backward to avoid. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #51
Allbritton is your topic. I'm betting you really regret bring him up at all right about now... ehrnst Aug 2019 #54
I had to run on appointments. Your very first post #8 on this thread omitted the heading of my post Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #59
Allbritton was your tirade, not mine. ehrnst Aug 2019 #60
You derailed it with your first post# 8 while omitting my headline. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #62
That must have really, really stung.... ehrnst Aug 2019 #63
More like a gnat. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #65
That's why you can't let it go. ehrnst Aug 2019 #68
I dig your deft movement of the goalposts when politically convenient. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #31
Thanks for the post Uncle Joe! JoeOtterbein Aug 2019 #33
That is so sweet! ehrnst Aug 2019 #34
It was an excellent, well balanced article and I couldn't find any lies or false memes in it. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #38
Even though you trashed Politico as a source just last week ehrnst Aug 2019 #42
I still condemn their ownership, see post #43. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #44
But you don't think it's a deal breakbreaker for their credibility this week. ehrnst Aug 2019 #45
I have yet to see you defend Albritton. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #46
I have yet to see you admit to your double standard. Continued ehrnst Aug 2019 #50
Albritton is the topic that you're bending over backward to avoid. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #52
Allbritton is your topic. And you keep avoiding your contradictory positions on ehrnst Aug 2019 #53
I had to run on appointments. Your very first post #8 on this thread omitted the heading of my post Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #58
Allbritton was your topic, not mine... ehrnst Aug 2019 #61
You derailed it with your first post# 8 while omitting my headline. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #64
That must have really, really stung... ehrnst Aug 2019 #66
More like a gnat. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #67
That's why you can't let it go. ehrnst Aug 2019 #69
... mcar Aug 2019 #18
Time for Mr. Shakir to face reality. First, Tiffany Caban lost her primary. Second... George II Aug 2019 #17
... Scurrilous Aug 2019 #20
Math continues to be a sticky subject for some. (nt) ehrnst Aug 2019 #23
Wow! sheshe2 Aug 2019 #35
Never forget. dalton99a Aug 2019 #36
All these Jill Stein supporters continue to line up behind this candidate. I wonder... George II Aug 2019 #39
I'll pass EveHammond13 Aug 2019 #55
 

brooklynite

(94,547 posts)
1. Revolution (noun):
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:45 AM
Aug 2019
a : a sudden, radical, or complete change
b : a fundamental change in political organization


Protests? Certainly. I'm not seeing any signs of a "revolution".
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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
2. Revolution (noun):
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:52 AM
Aug 2019


c : activity or movement designed to effect fundamental changes in the socioeconomic situation
d : a fundamental change in the way of thinking about or visualizing something : a change of paradigm
the Copernican revolution
e : a changeover in use or preference especially in technology
the computer revolution
the foreign car revolution

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revolution

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brooklynite

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3. Fair enough...I still don't see the Revolution coming from Bernie's crowd.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:55 AM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

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5. Time will tell
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:03 AM
Aug 2019


In a time not distant, it will be possible to flash any image formed in thought on a screen and render it visible at any place desired. The perfection of this means of reading thought will create a revolution for the better in all our social relations. Nikola Tesla

Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/nikola_tesla_596893?src=t_visible

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George II

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9. I thought he's been at it for 30 years? This is longer than the Thirty Years War of the 1600s.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:37 AM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

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14. The U.S. Has Been At War 222 Out of 239 Years
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:41 AM
Aug 2019


The U.S. Has Been At War 222 Out of 239 Years. This morning, I discovered an interesting statistic, “America Has Been At War 93% of the Time – 222 Out of 239 Years – Since 1776“, i.e. the U.S. has only been at peace for less than 20 years total since its birth.Mar 19, 2017
The U.S. Has Been At War 222 Out of 239 Years | Freakonometrics

https://freakonometrics.hypotheses.org/50473


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George II

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56. The American Revolution only lasted 18 years, this one has been going on for 30+ years.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:04 PM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. Didn't you see the white reggae singer at the kickoff?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:14 PM
Aug 2019
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BlueWI

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70. More than the Sanders supporters need to support revolutionary change
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:58 PM
Aug 2019

since global warming, wealth inequality, the military-industrial complex, and white supremacy are going to need all of us to bring solutions. Less calling out of one camp or another, and more collective solutions. How about that?

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murielm99

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4. When Sanders uses his campaign apparatus
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:01 AM
Aug 2019

for other causes, he usually takes some portion of the donations for himself. I don't see this as a sign of revolution, either.

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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. We had a "revolution" of sorts 3 years ago. I doubt many want another one...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:14 AM
Aug 2019

especially one with no clear path or benefit. To a lot of people, maybe most, "revolution" means either a new laundry detergent or a complete replacement of government and civil/social order.

I think Biden's numbers are largely driven by a desire to return to stability.

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Uncle Joe

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7. No we didn't, we had the status quo masquerading as change.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:18 AM
Aug 2019

The only thing Trump has succeeded at was signing a tax cut bill into law which primarily benefits the mega-wealthy, that has been the SOP since the days of Reagan.

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lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
12. Trump isn't the "status quo". N/T
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:40 AM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

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16. Trump is the most dangerous President in modern American history, he is a racist,
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:49 AM
Aug 2019

xenophobe, misogynist religious bigot, incompetent and corrupt and he's still only in power because of the status quo Republicans.

He is a corporate media conglomerate creation who ran as a faux progressive (for a Republican) and only came to power (with billions of dollars in free advertising) from them because they feared real change to the status quo.

The corporate media conglomerates made a "devil's bargain."



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lapucelle

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19. So we didn't elect the status quo in 2016?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:53 AM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

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21. Insofar and the mega-wealthy string pullers are concerned we did.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:58 AM
Aug 2019
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lapucelle

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24. So, outside of being "the most dangerous President in modern American history",
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:13 PM
Aug 2019

Trump is the status quo?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
26. Yes, DT is just so "status quo" isn't he?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
Aug 2019

Because WALL STREET.

Next we're going to hear that's the reason Democrats and Republicans are "virtually the same" - courtesy of a Jacobin, TYT, of Intercept cite.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. "Corporate media," you say?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:19 PM
Aug 2019

Like Politico?

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TexasTowelie

(112,168 posts)
40. More whining about the corporate media
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:10 PM
Aug 2019

won't get Bernie votes. People are turned off by Bernie's (and his surrogates) whining. They pointed that out last week in an editorial in the Vermont Digger:

The surest sign that Sen. Bernie Sanders presidential campaign is in trouble has nothing to do with his fluctuating poll numbers or front-runner Joe Biden’s steady strength in New Hampshire or Elizabeth Warren challenging Sanders to be the favorite of the Democratic Party’s left wing.

It’s that both Sanders and his top aides are now indulging in the traditional behavior of losing campaigns: whining.

As is common among those afflicted with self-pity, this whining is directed at a specific nemesis, in this case what used to be called “the press” but is now (alas) better known as “the media.”

Those media folks are not being fair to our fair Bernie, griped campaign senior adviser Jeff Weaver in a conversation with reporters on Monday.


https://vtdigger.org/2019/08/13/margolis-sanders-whining-is-not-good-political-strategy/

Please continue...
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. Goodness - YOU'RE citing POLITICO now? Did you have a change of heart over the weekend?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:28 AM
Aug 2019




Wherein you reject "the source:"



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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
11. No, still the same owner but an excellent author of this article.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:38 AM
Aug 2019

Having you found any evidence that Robert Albritton has sold this publication to someone else?

Albritton's history has not changed.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
13. So when Uncle Joe cites Politico, well, then it's 'different' and the ownership doesn't negate it.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:41 AM
Aug 2019

Because Bernie.

Got it. Different rules apply.





https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/double%20standard

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lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
15. So if a Politco article confirms an opinion it's a good source?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:43 AM
Aug 2019

And if it doesn't, it's a suspect source?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. You didn't refer to any author when you shot down Politico last week...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:11 PM
Aug 2019

You stated that Albritton was the problem with me citing Politico, not the author of the article I cited.

Having you found any evidence that Robert Albritton has sold this publication to someone else?

Albritton's history has not changed.


Moving the Goalposts
(also known as: gravity game, raising the bar, argument by demanding impossible perfection [form of])

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument.


https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/129/Moving-the-Goalposts

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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
28. I rejected the premise of your argument as well.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:20 PM
Aug 2019

Do you have a link to that thread?

I believe that's more efficient that just a photo shop of a couple of posts.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. There is a search feature on DU - feel free to use it. The date is right there in the screenshots.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:26 PM
Aug 2019

You can also look under the "My Posts" tab if that's easier for you than using the DU search feature.



You rejected the credibility of my citing Politico because of Allbritton, because it didn't confirm your bias.

Now Politico is confirming your bias, so Allbritton has suddenly become irrelevant to the credibility of Politico.

That's a double standard AND moving the goalposts - a Twofer.

Definition of double standard
1 : BIMETALLISM
2 : a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another



Moving the Goalposts
(also known as: gravity game, raising the bar, argument by demanding impossible perfection [form of])

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument.


You're welcome.

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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
30. I have made countless posts here at D.U.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:32 PM
Aug 2019

I believe it to be a courtesy and not that much to ask from someone that pulls posts from one, you were there, a simple copy and paste.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
32. I believe that the date is included in the screenshot. So, here's how you use the advanced search
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:39 PM
Aug 2019


And here's a link to the advanced search feature for you: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=search

You're welcome!

And have a threefer now.

Avoiding the Issue
(also known as: avoiding the question [form of], missing the point, straying off the subject, digressing, distraction [form of])

Description: When an arguer responds to an argument by not addressing the points of the argument. Unlike the strawman fallacy, avoiding the issue does not create an unrelated argument to divert attention, it simply avoids the argument.


Definition of double standard
1 : BIMETALLISM
2 : a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another



Moving the Goalposts
(also known as: gravity game, raising the bar, argument by demanding impossible perfection [form of])

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument.



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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
37. Thanks for that, I found it.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:03 PM
Aug 2019

From your post that I was replying to.



"Bernie has walked back his statement, and wisely so."


https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/bernie-sanders-bezos-washington-post-1461360

I think that he's letting his anger at WaPo for reporting on the labor dispute in his campaign staff go a bit too far.

Calling Marty Baron a pawn of Bezos doesn't show much understanding of who Marty Baron is.

He's drawing some unflattering comparisons to Trump, who also tries to discredit WaPo...


https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750800062/sanders-again-attacks-amazon-this-time-pulling-in-the-washington-post

The remark sounded an awful lot like the kind of criticism leveled by someone else.

"...[T]he failing New York Times and the Amazon Washington Post do nothing but write bad stories even on very positive achievements - and they will never change!" President Trump tweeted last year.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/08/13/bernie-sanders-criticizes-washington-post-coverage-baron-responds/1994986001/

President Donald Trump has echoed similar criticism of The Post, using the hashtag #AmazonWashingtonPost in tweets and accusing the newspaper of furthering Amazon's corporate goals.



https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/13/bernie-sanders-bezos-washington-post-1461360

Sanders' comments drew comparisons to the rhetoric of President Donald Trump, who has linked what he sees as the Post's unfair coverage of his administration to Bezos, calling the newspaper a tax scam and a lobbying tool for the Amazon CEO and labeling it the “Amazon Washington Post.”


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=239279



That's where Politico made the bullshit article that Bernie "walked back" anything in regards to media consolidation having a adverse affect on reporting and coverage.

and from the OP



Why Bernie Sanders is absolutely correct about the Washington Post -- and corporate media as a whole [View all]
[link:https://www.alternet.org/2019/08/why-bernie-sanders-is-absolutely-correct-about-the-washington-post-and-corporate-media-as-a-whole/|


Written by Norman Solomon / Common Dreams August 14, 2019
18

Many decades ago, the great media critic George Seldes observed: “The most sacred cow of the press is the press itself.” That remains true today.

Bernie Sanders set off the latest round of outraged denial from elite media this week when he talked to a crowd in New Hampshire about the tax avoidance of Amazon (which did not pay any federal income tax last year). Sanders went on to say: “I wonder why the Washington Post—which is owned by Jeff Bezos, who owns Amazon—doesn’t write particularly good articles about me. I don’t know why. But I guess maybe there’s a connection.”

Sanders has fought explicitly and effectively to raise the wages of Amazon workers as well as millions of others. Yet the mass-media pretense is that the financial interests of the Post‘s owner have no effect on the newspaper’s coverage of Sanders.

Corporate denial is the name of that media game. Usually, expressed denials aren’t necessary. But there’s nothing usual about Bernie Sanders, who’s been willing to call out the biases and blind spots of corporate media since he entered politics.

more at link


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=239279




I knew immediately Bernie never walked back anything, that was simply a false meme and lie.

My opinion in regards to Albrittion has not changed.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. Apparently your opinion about how Allbritton affects the credibility of Politico has changed.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:43 PM
Aug 2019

Hence your sharing of a Politico article - a source you derided last week because of the ownership - as a valid source this week.

Because they confirmed you bias, you suddenly bestowed credibility upon them, even though ownership has not changed.

That's the double standard I was referring to.

Is that clearer?






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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
43. I have posted articles of journalists or pundits that I agree with but it doesn't change my view
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:51 PM
Aug 2019

of their ownership, even when on occasion a well balanced article is permitted, they're almost always outnumbered by corporate-centric points of view.

Corporate media consolidation is a major dysfunction, I believe that was a predominant reason for Trump's rise to power, he was their creation and I have yet to see you defend Albritton.



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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
47. You stated that Politico's 'ownership' negated their credibilty last week
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:05 PM
Aug 2019

when someone shared content from an article in Politico didn't confirm your bias.

And today you ascribe credibility to content from Politico, despite no change in their ownership.

This indicates that you are attempting to claim 'objective measures' for 'credibility' (Allbritton's ownership) - but those fly out the door depending on whether or out to be whether or not a source confirms your bias.

Repeated attempts to rebut that don't make those attempts any more successful. Your own posts illustrate the double standard for what constitutes "credibility."





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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
48. I have yet to see you defend Albritton.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:06 PM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
49. Yet another attempt to avoid the topic.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:12 PM
Aug 2019

Repeated use of logical fallacies don't change the content of your own posts.



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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
51. Albritton is the topic that you're bending over backward to avoid.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:15 PM
Aug 2019

I'm done here.

Peace to you.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
54. Allbritton is your topic. I'm betting you really regret bring him up at all right about now...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:23 PM
Aug 2019

You keep bending over backwards to deflect from your contradictory positions on Politico's credibility. There's another term for that.

Actually, you were 'done' several posts ago. But it's wise to fold when someone keeps calling one's bluff, even if it's way late.

Peace right back at you. And more. Yet again.



Avoiding the Issue
(also known as: avoiding the question [form of], missing the point, straying off the subject, digressing, distraction [form of])

Description: When an arguer responds to an argument by not addressing the points of the argument. Unlike the strawman fallacy, avoiding the issue does not create an unrelated argument to divert attention, it simply avoids the argument.


Definition of double standard
1 : BIMETALLISM
2 : a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another



Moving the Goalposts
(also known as: gravity game, raising the bar, argument by demanding impossible perfection [form of])

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument.
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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
59. I had to run on appointments. Your very first post #8 on this thread omitted the heading of my post
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:45 PM
Aug 2019

from which you pulled.

Perhaps that's why you were so reluctant to provide a link to the thread in question?



A little info about the ownership of Politico


Robert Allbritton (born February 16,[1] 1968 or 1969[2]) is the owner and founder of Capitol News Company, the parent company of Capitol Hill political newspaper and website Politico.[3]

Allbritton also served as the Chairman and CEO of Allbritton Communications, which owned several ABC-affiliated television stations in Washington, D.C.[4] Allbritton was previously the CEO of Riggs National Corporation, the parent of Riggs Bank, from 2001 to 2005.[5] Allbritton has been described by The New Republic as having "reshaped the way we follow politics."[6] He is a Trustee of the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library and Museum.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Allbritton







Riggs Bank was a bank headquartered in Washington, D.C. For most of its history, it was the largest bank headquartered in that city. On May 13, 2005, after the exposure of several money laundering scandals, the bank was acquired by PNC Financial Services.

(snip)

The bank was investigated for several money laundering scandals, including going to great lengths to allow former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet to hide his fortune after his accounts were subjected to asset freezing and for unknowingly allowing the hijackers involved in the September 11 attacks to transfer money due to lax controls at the bank.

(snip)

On May 13, 2005, after the exposure of several money laundering scandals, the bank was acquired by PNC Financial Services.[11][12][13]

(snip)

Hiding the fortune of Augusto Pinochet

Further information: Augusto Pinochet's arrest and trial
Augusto Pinochet, the former dictator of Chile, was widely accused of corruption, illegal arms sales, and torture. In 1994, Riggs officials invited Pinochet to open an account at the bank. In 1998, Pinochet was arrested in the United Kingdom for possible extradition to Spain, and his accounts were subjected to asset freezing by court orders. By using a shell company and hiding accounts from federal regulators, Riggs illegally allowed Pinochet to hide and retain access to much of his fortune.[18]

(snip)

The disclosure of the Riggs accounts reignited the case against General Pinochet. A ruling that he was not mentally competent to stand trial was overturned when it was proven that the general himself had orchestrated some of the huge transactions. In 2004, Pinochet was ordered to stand trial for crimes against humanity, and additional claims of mental and physical incompetence were overruled. However, Pinochet died in December 2006 before being judged. In September 2007, Pinochet's widow and five children were indicted by a Chilean court on charges including embezzlement.[20]

In January 2005, the bank pleaded guilty and agreed to pay $16 million in fines for helping Pinochet.[21][22] The bank and the Albritton family, which controlled the bank, agreed to pay $9 million to victims of the regime of Pinochet.[23][24] The bank also paid $8 million to settle the legal case in Spain.[25]

Embezzlement of oil revenues from Equatorial Guinea

In July 2004, the United States Senate published a report that showed that at least $35 million was siphoned off by Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, the long-time dictator of Equatorial Guinea, from the account held by the Embassy of Equatorial Guinea in Washington, D.C. at Riggs.[26][27]

(snip)

In May 2004, the bank was fined $25 million by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for violations of money-laundering laws.[29][30][31]

A long running Justice Department investigation was wrapped up quickly in February 2005 with Riggs pleading guilty and paying a $16 million fine for violations of the U.S. Bank Secrecy Act after a Wall Street Journal article reported December 31, 2004, that Riggs had extensive ties to the CIA, including that several bank officials held security clearances. Also in February 2005, the bank and Albritton family agreed to pay $9 million to Pinochet victims for concealing and illegally facilitating movement of Pinochet money out of Britain.[32] No similar payment has been made with regard to Equatorial Guinea, as reported in this weekly Anti-Money Laundering Report from the Fair Finance Watch The abuses at Riggs led Congress to consider forming a single agency with greater authority to enforce money laundering and currency control laws. Daniel E. Stipano, deputy chief counsel for the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, said, "What happened with Riggs is unacceptable. It cannot be repeated."[33] Riggs admitted criminal liability for failing to prevent money laundering.[34]

Acquisition by PNC

In the wake of the money laundering scandals, members of the Albritton family resigned from the bank board.
On February 10, 2005, PNC Financial Services agreed to acquire Riggs.[35] The merger was completed on May 13, 2005,[36] and the Riggs name was retired and all Riggs branches became PNC Bank branches three days later.[37] Soon after the merger's completion, PNC phased out the scandal-plagued embassy business.[35]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riggs_Bank



You simply can't defend Albritton and you can't actually criticize a well balanced article from Politico when they do have one so you resort to deflection.





What is deflection in psychology?

Psychological deflection is often considered a narcissistic abuse tactic. However, you might be using it too without even knowing. Deflection, by definition, is a method of changing the course of an object, an emotion or thought from its original source.Sep 3, 2018
What Is Psychological Deflection and How It Might Be Blocking Your ...

https://www.learning-mind.com/psychological-deflection/






Using your logic Rupert Murdoch has no influence over FOX, GE has no influence over NBC, Bezos has no influence over WAPO and Disney has no influence over ABC etc.etc.etc.

That would be a sweet world to live in if it were true.


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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
60. Allbritton was your tirade, not mine.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:10 PM
Aug 2019

It really does get under your skin when someone doesn't comply with your demands to derail the topic, doesn't it?

So much for:

I'm done here.

Peace to you.












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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
62. You derailed it with your first post# 8 while omitting my headline.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:18 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
63. That must have really, really stung....
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:19 PM
Aug 2019


Peace to you.


If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
65. More like a gnat.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:20 PM
Aug 2019


Peace to you.
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Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
68. That's why you can't let it go.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:23 PM
Aug 2019



I'm done here.

Peace to you.






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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
31. I dig your deft movement of the goalposts when politically convenient.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:38 PM
Aug 2019

But I get it... being held to our own words and convictions can be a real drag sometimes, and if we have to pretend they didn't exist in the past to better advertise our new ones, then so be it.

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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
33. Thanks for the post Uncle Joe!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:40 PM
Aug 2019

The author is excellent! Great read!

Everyone should check it out.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
34. That is so sweet!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:44 PM
Aug 2019

Seeing someone in an embarassing situation, and saying something to make them to feel better.

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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
38. It was an excellent, well balanced article and I couldn't find any lies or false memes in it.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:07 PM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. Even though you trashed Politico as a source just last week
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:44 PM
Aug 2019

because of their ownership (which hasn't changed), when someone cited them when they didn't confirm your bias.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
44. I still condemn their ownership, see post #43.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:53 PM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
45. But you don't think it's a deal breakbreaker for their credibility this week.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:01 PM
Aug 2019

Because they confirm your bias this week.



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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
46. I have yet to see you defend Albritton.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:02 PM
Aug 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
50. I have yet to see you admit to your double standard. Continued
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:13 PM
Aug 2019

use of the "Avoiding the topic" or "red herring" logical fallacies don't reallly lend credibility to an argument. It indicates that one doesn't have an argument, but wants to keep posting to appear as though one does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
52. Albritton is the topic that you're bending over backward to avoid.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

I'm done here.

Peace to you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
53. Allbritton is your topic. And you keep avoiding your contradictory positions on
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:19 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:52 PM - Edit history (2)

Politico's credibility. It really drives you up a wall when I don't comply with your attempts to derail. I can tell when you resort to "I'm done. Peace to you."

You were 'done' several posts ago. But it's always wise to fold with a "peace to you" when someone keeps calling one's bluff, even if it's way too late to save face.

Peace right back at you. And more.




Avoiding the Issue
(also known as: avoiding the question [form of], missing the point, straying off the subject, digressing, distraction [form of])

Description: When an arguer responds to an argument by not addressing the points of the argument. Unlike the strawman fallacy, avoiding the issue does not create an unrelated argument to divert attention, it simply avoids the argument.


Definition of double standard
1 : BIMETALLISM
2 : a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another



Moving the Goalposts
(also known as: gravity game, raising the bar, argument by demanding impossible perfection [form of])

Description: Demanding from an opponent that he or she address more and more points after the initial counter-argument has been satisfied refusing to concede or accept the opponent’s argument.

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Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
58. I had to run on appointments. Your very first post #8 on this thread omitted the heading of my post
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:45 PM
Aug 2019

from which you pulled.

Perhaps that's why you were so reluctant to provide a link to the thread in question?



A little info about the ownership of Politico


Robert Allbritton (born February 16,[1] 1968 or 1969[2]) is the owner and founder of Capitol News Company, the parent company of Capitol Hill political newspaper and website Politico.[3]

Allbritton also served as the Chairman and CEO of Allbritton Communications, which owned several ABC-affiliated television stations in Washington, D.C.[4] Allbritton was previously the CEO of Riggs National Corporation, the parent of Riggs Bank, from 2001 to 2005.[5] Allbritton has been described by The New Republic as having "reshaped the way we follow politics."[6] He is a Trustee of the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library and Museum.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Allbritton







Riggs Bank was a bank headquartered in Washington, D.C. For most of its history, it was the largest bank headquartered in that city. On May 13, 2005, after the exposure of several money laundering scandals, the bank was acquired by PNC Financial Services.

(snip)

The bank was investigated for several money laundering scandals, including going to great lengths to allow former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet to hide his fortune after his accounts were subjected to asset freezing and for unknowingly allowing the hijackers involved in the September 11 attacks to transfer money due to lax controls at the bank.

(snip)

On May 13, 2005, after the exposure of several money laundering scandals, the bank was acquired by PNC Financial Services.[11][12][13]

(snip)

Hiding the fortune of Augusto Pinochet

Further information: Augusto Pinochet's arrest and trial
Augusto Pinochet, the former dictator of Chile, was widely accused of corruption, illegal arms sales, and torture. In 1994, Riggs officials invited Pinochet to open an account at the bank. In 1998, Pinochet was arrested in the United Kingdom for possible extradition to Spain, and his accounts were subjected to asset freezing by court orders. By using a shell company and hiding accounts from federal regulators, Riggs illegally allowed Pinochet to hide and retain access to much of his fortune.[18]

(snip)

The disclosure of the Riggs accounts reignited the case against General Pinochet. A ruling that he was not mentally competent to stand trial was overturned when it was proven that the general himself had orchestrated some of the huge transactions. In 2004, Pinochet was ordered to stand trial for crimes against humanity, and additional claims of mental and physical incompetence were overruled. However, Pinochet died in December 2006 before being judged. In September 2007, Pinochet's widow and five children were indicted by a Chilean court on charges including embezzlement.[20]

In January 2005, the bank pleaded guilty and agreed to pay $16 million in fines for helping Pinochet.[21][22] The bank and the Albritton family, which controlled the bank, agreed to pay $9 million to victims of the regime of Pinochet.[23][24] The bank also paid $8 million to settle the legal case in Spain.[25]

Embezzlement of oil revenues from Equatorial Guinea

In July 2004, the United States Senate published a report that showed that at least $35 million was siphoned off by Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, the long-time dictator of Equatorial Guinea, from the account held by the Embassy of Equatorial Guinea in Washington, D.C. at Riggs.[26][27]

(snip)

In May 2004, the bank was fined $25 million by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for violations of money-laundering laws.[29][30][31]

A long running Justice Department investigation was wrapped up quickly in February 2005 with Riggs pleading guilty and paying a $16 million fine for violations of the U.S. Bank Secrecy Act after a Wall Street Journal article reported December 31, 2004, that Riggs had extensive ties to the CIA, including that several bank officials held security clearances. Also in February 2005, the bank and Albritton family agreed to pay $9 million to Pinochet victims for concealing and illegally facilitating movement of Pinochet money out of Britain.[32] No similar payment has been made with regard to Equatorial Guinea, as reported in this weekly Anti-Money Laundering Report from the Fair Finance Watch The abuses at Riggs led Congress to consider forming a single agency with greater authority to enforce money laundering and currency control laws. Daniel E. Stipano, deputy chief counsel for the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, said, "What happened with Riggs is unacceptable. It cannot be repeated."[33] Riggs admitted criminal liability for failing to prevent money laundering.[34]

Acquisition by PNC

In the wake of the money laundering scandals, members of the Albritton family resigned from the bank board.
On February 10, 2005, PNC Financial Services agreed to acquire Riggs.[35] The merger was completed on May 13, 2005,[36] and the Riggs name was retired and all Riggs branches became PNC Bank branches three days later.[37] Soon after the merger's completion, PNC phased out the scandal-plagued embassy business.[35]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riggs_Bank



You simply can't defend Albritton and you can't actually criticize a well balanced article from Politico when they do have one so you resort to deflection.





What is deflection in psychology?

Psychological deflection is often considered a narcissistic abuse tactic. However, you might be using it too without even knowing. Deflection, by definition, is a method of changing the course of an object, an emotion or thought from its original source.Sep 3, 2018
What Is Psychological Deflection and How It Might Be Blocking Your ...

https://www.learning-mind.com/psychological-deflection/






Using your logic Rupert Murdoch has no influence over FOX, GE has no influence over NBC, Bezos has no influence over WAPO and Disney has no influence over ABC etc.etc.etc.

That would be a sweet world to live in if it were true.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
61. Allbritton was your topic, not mine...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:12 PM
Aug 2019

It really does get under your skin when someone doesn't comply with your demands to derail the topic, doesn't it?
So much for:

I'm done here.

Peace to you.





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
64. You derailed it with your first post# 8 while omitting my headline.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:19 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
66. That must have really, really stung...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:20 PM
Aug 2019


Peace to you.




TAG UR IT!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Uncle Joe

(58,361 posts)
67. More like a gnat.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:21 PM
Aug 2019


Peace to you.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
69. That's why you can't let it go.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:23 PM
Aug 2019



I'm done here.

Peace to you.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. Time for Mr. Shakir to face reality. First, Tiffany Caban lost her primary. Second...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:50 AM
Aug 2019

...they tout their "ground game" in Iowa has 25,000 volunteers (really!) yet the most recent Iowa poll (Monmouth) shows:

Biden 28
Warren 19
Harris 11
Sanders 9
Buttigieg 8

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. Math continues to be a sticky subject for some. (nt)
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:12 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,756 posts)
35. Wow!
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:49 PM
Aug 2019

I also read today that Susan Sarandon will be right there on the streets with him once again.

…………………………….

2016GE

PERSONAL LETTER OF ENDORSEMENT
FROM SUSAN SARANDON


Susan Sarandon wrote to us, and has now officially endorsed Jill!
Because she knows what you know - that we must build a progressive social movement to counter both Donald Trump AND Hillary Clinton.

According to The Young Turks and the Washington Times, Ms. Sarandon said:

“They’re both (Trump and Clinton) talking to Henry Kissinger. She did not learn from Iraq, and she is an interventionist, and she has done horrible things - and very callously. I don’t know if she is overcompensating or what her trip is. That scares me. I think we’ll be in Iran in two seconds.”


Read More! https://www.jill2016.com/sarandon
If I were to vote in a presidential
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George II

(67,782 posts)
39. All these Jill Stein supporters continue to line up behind this candidate. I wonder...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:09 PM
Aug 2019

Has she addressed her statements and actions during the general election that contributed to the election of trump? Or is she still happy that he was elected over Hillary Clinton? I wonder if she'll be at the Nevada caucus next year.

To recap, the roster of unabashed Jill Stein voters is:

Nina Turner
Briahna Joy Gray
David Sirota
Cornell West
Susan Sarandon

If I were to vote in a presidential
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