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brooklynite

(94,565 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:15 PM Aug 2019

David Sirota strikes again...

BERN NOTICE: The Hamptons & the Obi-Wan Kenobi Principle

Criticizing Medicare for All may get applause at donor parties in the Hamptons, but the attacks are helping Bernie Sanders in the rest of America

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Kamala Harris today proved the old adage: promises made to big donors in the Hamptons don’t stay in the Hamptons.

According to Bloomberg News, Harris visited the wealthy enclave this weekend, and told donors that she is now “uncomfortable” with Bernie Sanders’ Medicare for All legislation -- which Harris is actually co-sponsoring. Harris generated big headlines a few months back when she unequivocally declared that she wanted to get rid of private insurance, but her spokesperson today said that “she isn't running on Bernie's plan anymore.”

“Anymore”...priceless.

As unions and grassroots groups have helped build momentum for Medicare for All, Harris and many other 2020 Democrats have spent the past few weeks trying to short circuit Medicare for All and preserve the private insurance industry whose premiums, deductibles and co-pays now cost $28,000 a year to cover the average family of four. All that money isn’t buying better care for millions of Americans -- but it is helping health industry CEOs get paid $2.6 billion last year alone.

The Harris flip flop is a reminder that while Medicare for All received an enthusiastic response at Bernie’s Fox News townhall in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania -- it doesn’t get that kind of response on the big dollar fundraising circuit in the Hamptons. It also probably wouldn’t elicit a great response at Joe Biden’s first fundraiser hosted by a major insurance CEO.

And so Harris, Biden and other Democrats aren’t spending lots of their time attacking Donald Trump and the GOP for doing the bidding of their health care industry donors. Instead, they are attacking the Medicare for All framework that now has the support of the majority of Democratic lawmakers in the U.S. House. They are also refusing to join a pledge to reject campaign cash from insurance executives and lobbyists.

Now the question is: what are the political ramifications of this battle in the Democratic presidential primary? New polling and economic data provide some important clues.

The Obi-Wan Kenobi Principle

Obi-Wan Kenobi warned Darth Vader that “if you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine” -- and that principle now appears to be at play in the politics of health care. Indeed, it seems the more other candidates defend their insurance industry donors and attack Bernie’s plan to replace private insurance with a Medicare for All system, the better it is for Bernie.

According to recent surveys from CNN, ABC/WashPost, Reuters and Morning Consult, Bernie is now the most trusted candidate on the health care issue.

One reason the attacks may be boomeranging is because of Americans’ underlying sentiments about Sanders’ signature Medicare for All legislation. Consider two points:

A strong majority of voters support Medicare for All, according to recent polls from from HarrisX (70% support), RealClear Opinion Research (65% support), Morning Consult (55% support), YouGov (52% support) and ABC News/Washington Post (52% support).

A strong majority of voters support Medicare for All replacing private insurance, according to polls from RealClear Opinion Research, Morning Consult, YouGov, Business Insider and Tulchin Research.

As Bernie put it at the recent presidential debate: "People don't like their health insurance companies, they like their doctors.”

Insurance CEOs Are Eating Americans’ Wages

Why is there such a hunger for fundamental change in our current corporate-run health care system? Because health care costs are gobbling up more and more of Americans’ wages and time, without delivering better results:

The Wall Street Journal reports that between 1990 and 2017, “average per capita personal health-care expenditures rose about 276%.”

Axios reports that “health spending by families who get their insurance from large employers has grown two times faster than wages over the last decade.

Axios reported that two decades ago, “the average health insurance coverage for a family consumed 14% of the average household income.” By 2017, that number was up “to about 31% of take-home pay.”

Overall, the results of all this spending aren’t better care, better outcomes or better coverage:

The Economist notes that “America spends about twice as much on health care as other rich countries but has the highest infant-mortality rate.”

CNBC reports that “an estimated 530,000 families turn to bankruptcy each year because of medical issues and bills.”

In the Atlantic, People’s Policy Project director Matt Bruenig reported that “America’s level of uninsurance leads to more than 35,000 unnecessary deaths every year.”

While all this is great for the health insurance companies that are pumping campaign cash into elections, everyone else is drowning in paperwork and legal red tape:

A recent Washington Post report documents that “for many people in medical debt, a trip to the emergency room leads to the courtroom” where they are sued for failing to pay bills they can’t afford.

While Democrats like Harris are now aiming to preserve or expand private insurers’ role in Medicare through Medicare Advantage plans, Modern Healthcare reports that federal officials found that such plans “plans could be denying needed medical services to maximize profits.” A recent New York Times oped by public policy researchers also noted that “private insurers make Medicare extraordinarily confusing, increasing costs for beneficiaries and their own profits.”

Data published in the Harvard Business Review shows “that from 1990 to 2012, the number of workers in the U.S. health system grew by nearly 75%” but “nearly 95% of this growth was in non-doctor workers.”


Taken together, journalist Dave Dayen says the corporate-run health care system creates a giant tax on Americans’ free time.

“Once insured, Americans must make sure their health care providers, from primary care physicians to specialists, are in-network,” he wrote in the New Republic. “There are reimbursement claims and deductibles and co-pays to be aware of. Those who have a health savings account have to file their receipts to use their own funds to pay for health care, which sounds simple but can be a bureaucratic nightmare, if some horror stories can be believed.”

Back in January, Harris was touting Bernie’s Medicare for All bill by noting it would attack this very problem. She said his legislation would mean “you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require….Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on.”

That’s exactly what Bernie is proposing — and why the new attacks on his legislation in defense of the insurance industry are actually helping him.
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David Sirota strikes again... (Original Post) brooklynite Aug 2019 OP
The is nothing in that piece that is not true. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #1
"A strong majority of voters support Medicare for All replacing private insurance"? crazytown Aug 2019 #2
There's quite a bit in that piece that is not true. George II Aug 2019 #9
No linkey dinkey? Autumn Aug 2019 #3
Personal email brooklynite Aug 2019 #4
What's your email sign-in and password? Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #6
I'm tired of hearing about his emails! n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #8
"The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails," Autumn Aug 2019 #10
I get them, too. The only thing is that I never gave him the email address to which he sends them.. George II Aug 2019 #14
... sheshe2 Aug 2019 #19
Do you speak Russian? I dont, but the more I think about it the more I think we need to. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #26
You, too? ehrnst Aug 2019 #37
Thanks for posting sharedvalues Aug 2019 #27
It looks like the only one being berned are Bernie's Democratic competitors. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #5
Or folks who are NEVER to be found when saying something positive about ANY democrat is Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #28
One of the most ridiculous points in that long drawn out "stump speech" is the last one.... George II Aug 2019 #7
+1 billion. nt oasis Aug 2019 #39
"if you strike me down, Me. Aug 2019 #11
lol Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #12
I want people to start making a bigger deal of the profit motive in health care... Moostache Aug 2019 #13
K and R! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #15
Sounds good melman Aug 2019 #16
lol Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #17
I see both your lols and raise you one. rzemanfl Aug 2019 #33
Fox News townhall good. Hamptons Democrats bad. betsuni Aug 2019 #20
Bernie is afraid of Kamala mcar Aug 2019 #21
He Should Be Me. Aug 2019 #22
Yep mcar Aug 2019 #23
Yes.. And, Elizabeth.. and Biden.. Cha Aug 2019 #24
It is weird mcar Aug 2019 #25
Yep, do any of his supporters ever look at what he has ACTUALLY accomplished in Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #30
A good question mcar Aug 2019 #32
Recommended. guillaumeb Aug 2019 #29
Sirota's wrong about the polling on MFA. It polls really well only when voters don't understand it. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #31
As usual, good research. Thanks, highplainsdem. emmaverybo Aug 2019 #36
Kick lunasun Aug 2019 #34
I hope he got clearance from Disney. TwilightZone Aug 2019 #35
kick Cha Aug 2019 #38
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
1. The is nothing in that piece that is not true.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:20 PM
Aug 2019

Thanks for posting!

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
2. "A strong majority of voters support Medicare for All replacing private insurance"?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:24 PM
Aug 2019

Where are those polls?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. There's quite a bit in that piece that is not true.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:40 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,327 posts)
6. What's your email sign-in and password?
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:34 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

zackymilly

(2,375 posts)
8. I'm tired of hearing about his emails! n/t
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:36 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(45,084 posts)
10. "The American people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn emails,"
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:41 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. I get them, too. The only thing is that I never gave him the email address to which he sends them..
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:13 PM
Aug 2019

Wonder how he got it?

On the other hand, I did give it to the DNC in December 2015.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
26. Do you speak Russian? I dont, but the more I think about it the more I think we need to.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:12 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
37. You, too?
Tue Aug 20, 2019, 12:59 PM
Aug 2019

Weird, huh?

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TexasTowelie

(112,180 posts)
5. It looks like the only one being berned are Bernie's Democratic competitors.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:33 PM
Aug 2019

It doesn't come as a surprise that Bernie's staff of Jill Stein supporters take aim at actual Democrats.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
28. Or folks who are NEVER to be found when saying something positive about ANY democrat is
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:13 PM
Aug 2019

being done, NEVER.

So sick of this fucking GAME

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George II

(67,782 posts)
7. One of the most ridiculous points in that long drawn out "stump speech" is the last one....
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:35 PM
Aug 2019

Characterizing a difference of opinion on how to achieve eventual universal healthcare as a "defense of the insurance industry"! Where does he come up with that? There are several good plans being proposed better than the still less than fully-defined "Medicare for All" plan. The fact that others have different plans means they're "defending" the insurance industry? Ludicrous.

Probably the second most ridiculous point follows - that "attacking" (i.e., presenting something different) his legislation, which really isn't to the legislation stage anyway, is "helping him". If that were the case he'd be leading in the polls in every state and nationally.

In fact, he's no better than second in any, and in many states he's third or fourth. If that's helping, then have at it.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
11. "if you strike me down,
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:53 PM
Aug 2019

I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine”

Hey Mr. Sirota, can you spell the word delusional?

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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
12. Kicked and recommended.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:55 PM
Aug 2019

Thanks for the thread brooklynite.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
13. I want people to start making a bigger deal of the profit motive in health care...
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:08 PM
Aug 2019

Medicare for All starts by first and foremost removing the profit motive from healthcare distribution. No longer does an insurance company need to balance patient care, premiums AND a massive bonus and salary for the CEO and the CFO and the board members and the executive committee of the organization...

Every dollar taken out in profits is a dollar or premium or cost that the patient paid out but received NOTHING in return for...no treatment, no doctor's visit, no diagnosis, no tests....NOTHING.

Profit-seeking is fine in building cars, or homes or designing web pages or clothing, or a myriad of other things....profit-seeking has no place in health care, no place in prisons, no place in public education (where BTW....football coaches making $8M+ a year and being the highest paid state employee is NOT 'ok' either...) at all.

Human rights should NEVER be subject to accounting analysis, EVER!

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melman

(7,681 posts)
16. Sounds good
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:17 PM
Aug 2019

Thanks for sharing!

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rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
33. I see both your lols and raise you one.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:25 PM
Aug 2019
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betsuni

(25,519 posts)
20. Fox News townhall good. Hamptons Democrats bad.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 07:05 PM
Aug 2019

Got it.

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mcar

(42,331 posts)
21. Bernie is afraid of Kamala
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 07:13 PM
Aug 2019
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
22. He Should Be
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 08:56 PM
Aug 2019

'cause she's not afraid of him

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Cha

(297,221 posts)
24. Yes.. And, Elizabeth.. and Biden..
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:09 PM
Aug 2019

They're afraid of them all.. yet they don't try to broaden their base. Really weird.

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mcar

(42,331 posts)
25. It is weird
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:10 PM
Aug 2019

He seems to think he can play the same tune.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
30. Yep, do any of his supporters ever look at what he has ACTUALLY accomplished in
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:15 PM
Aug 2019

T W E N T Y

N I N E

Y E A R S

?

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
29. Recommended.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:14 PM
Aug 2019

Money is speech. So proclaimed the SCOTUS.

And this "speech" speaks far louder than the voices of actual voters.

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highplainsdem

(48,978 posts)
31. Sirota's wrong about the polling on MFA. It polls really well only when voters don't understand it.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:21 PM
Aug 2019

When it's explained to them that it means giving up private insurance, and when they're polled on a public option as well as an alternative to MFA, they prefer the public option.

A number of recent polls have confirmed that.

Medicare For All polls really well only when people misunderstand it as Medicare For Alll Who Want To Buy Into It.


http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/medicare-for-all-polls-public-option-kaiser-popular-misunderstood.html

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/medicare-for-all-poll-obamacare-public-option-biden_n_5d3f13d1e4b01d8c977f25cf

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/27/politics/medicare-for-all-vs-public-option-black-democrats/index.html


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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
36. As usual, good research. Thanks, highplainsdem.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:05 PM
Aug 2019
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TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
35. I hope he got clearance from Disney.
Mon Aug 19, 2019, 10:35 PM
Aug 2019

Otherwise, he might be getting a cease-and-desist notice shortly.

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