I'm switching from Joe Biden to Elizabeth Warren

[Auggie]

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Michael Moore convinced me. He is not endorsing Warren in the clip, but rather, endorsing a progressive "street fighter." The clip is a few weeks old.

I'll vote for the Dem nominee in 2020, whoever it is. But I'm with Warren through the primaries.

[Tiggeroshii]

1. Cant watch it right now but is this the one where he calls for michelle obama to run?

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[Auggie]

6. No

[BannonsLiver]

2. Moore is in the tank for BS

Whoever the nominee is, and it will not be Bernie, I expect Moore to be speaking out against as he did with Hillary in 2016.

That being said, warren is an excellent candidate.

[zaj]

12. That's clearly not true now.

[BannonsLiver]

28. There's zero chance Moore will actively support Biden if he is the nominee

If the nominee is not Bernie I suspect it doesn’t matter much to Mike who wins in 2020. And an argument can be made Trump has been good for Michael Moore, Inc.

[Land Shark]

63. Whether true or not, Moore's facts are true. Nt

Edit: whether the claims about Moore only supporting Sanders are true or not, the demographics are correct.

And btw, Moore is clearly in the camp of voting.for bozo over Trump like a hundred million plus other Americans.

[BannonsLiver]

88. I'll wait for some kind of coherent point.

I have no idea what you’re trying to convey.

[yaesu]

24. One of the best pro-Hillary video presentation I saw during the last election was made by Moore

and he did it live in front of a right leaning audience near Chicago and was broadcast also, about her life, her struggle against RW lies and the majority of the audience was moved by it as I was.

[BannonsLiver]

27. That was a money making venture for Mike

It wasn’t something he did to directly benefit the campaign. And it sure as hell doesn’t erase the nasty stuff he said about her during the primary.

[mahina]

3. Welcome aboard

[Auggie]

7. Thanks

[BeyondGeography]

4. "I really feel like she would throw herself in front of a bus for us."

It’s true, and probably my favorite quote about Warren:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/netroots-nation-activists-want-warren-and-harris/593935/

Moore is spot-on about the street-fighter bit. Inspiration is what drives turnout, not calculation.

[Auggie]

8. Exactly. I was in moderate camp thinking. But it's a losing strategy ...

we need (at least) the 70,000 or so who flipped the election in 2016. And we won't get them by playing it safe with Joe Biden.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. No question... it's time to be bold!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Lordquinton]

70. That's a good point

if those who would vote for sanders carried so much weight, shouldn't we be courting their votes instead of the same move to the center that didn't work last time?

[Life_Long_Democrat]

5. I stopped trusting Moore

in 2000 when he helped give us Bush.

[Auggie]

9. Way to be positive!!!

[HiloHatti]

11. Moore Didn't "Helped give us Bush"

The Supreme Court gave us Bush.

[Life_Long_Democrat]

13. Which never would have happened

if not for Nader who Moore supported.

[FakeNoose]

14. Yep - he doesn't seem to get how this 2 party system works

You'd think he would have realized that before he came out for Bernie last time.

[MarcA]

31. That and some confusing ballots that gave votes to Pat Buchanan n/t

[yaesu]

26. no he didn't. nt

[Life_Long_Democrat]

32. Yes he did

[Autumn]

42. MM has never been on the Supreme Court.

A corrupt SC was how we got Bush.

[Life_Long_Democrat]

46. It never would have gotten to the Supreme Court

if not for Nader who Moore supported.

[Autumn]

47. I guess you have never heard of hanging chads and butterfly ballots. nt

[Life_Long_Democrat]

48. Which all would have been irrelevant

if not for Nader.

[Autumn]

49. It would have been irrelevant had there been no need for a recount due to the butterfly

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ballots and hanging chads. And welcome... to DU

[Lordquinton]

71. Didn't happen

Nader did not tilt the votes enough to give it to Bush, it was the supreme court declaring him president that did it.

[Life_Long_Democrat]

73. Yes he did

Especially in New Hampshire.

Nader also accepted GOP money which he used to run attack ads against Gore on the west coast. The Gore campaign had to divert funds from states like Florida to counter those ads. Nader helped hand that election to Bush just as Jill Stein helped Trump in 16.

[zentrum]

10. Interesting. Yes, we need a passionate fighter.

[safeinOhio]

15. Sent her my first donation of the year.

In a debate she would stump the chump in a NY minute.

[aikoaiko]

16. I'm waiting to see if she has the courage to confront Joe Biden about his

credit card bank bankruptcy protectionism.

[Auggie]

18. That was a million years ago. I don't give a shit about it either ...

and neither do millions of voters. Warren needs to stay focused: better jobs and better health insurance.

[aikoaiko]

23. I give a shit and a lot of people who couldn't resolve their CC debt care, too.

This law was only 15 years ago.

[Auggie]

25. I cared back then. But that bill is hardly the biggest issue today.

Biggest campaign error any Dem can make is to attack another Dem. Attack big corporations. The plutocracy. That's the enemy.

Warren can bring up the subject by campaigning for bankruptcy reform if she wants, though the best strategy is to stay focused on jobs via a "New Deal" type of impact.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. That has always bothered me.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[uponit7771]

67. What is Biden's view of this today? If it has changed then who cares? tia

[aikoaiko]

90. I think we should find out in a debate where Warren...

...reminds Biden that she objected to he law and yet he promoted it and voted for it.

I’d welcome him saying that he was wrong.

But I don’t think Joe will say that.

[wprice2]

17. Warren or Biden or Williamson I'm in-easy for me for this election in 2020

Splitting hairs, just too much emphasis on whether someone's more progressive

I don't give one shizzzz

I will not get one ounce of progressiveness from Trump nor an atom of common sense, civility, intellect, gravitas, competency from Trump!

Nothing like the next several months as us democrats agonize over who will be the next Democratic nominee for President.

Yes let's micromanage this election and Jill Stein ourselves to a favorite! Help me Obi Wan Kenobi

[IronLionZion]

19. Republicans never worry about being too extreme right wing to win

Trump's very existence shows that voters like to "shake things up" and surprise all the experts

[Kind of Blue]

20. Excellent!

K&R!

[wprice2]

21. How about, save this country please

Yes this election is just not like all the others.

I'm sorry to anybody who thinks that, because I believe Trump is a menace to the United Sates, the world, and people in general.

I think every decent person and Democrat should support the eventual nominee like their livelihood depended on it.

Republicans are more loyal to their nominee than Democrats traditionally as well. Democrats love to parse out levels of left wing street cred and eventually end up with Republican state controlled legislatures, executives, and Donald Trump.

[Auggie]

22. I don't agree with your last paragraph

"Left-wing street cred" is hardly the reason for Republican controlled states.

[MarcA]

29. Actually it's the board room wall street creed that does Democrats in. n/t

[still_one]

36. Well, Susan Sarandon, and Jill Stein didn't believe that, and Sanders had no problem hiring people

to high positions in his campaign who not only voted for Jill Stein, encouraged others to do likewise, have no regrets doing so, and still get pleasure in trashing Hillary

Moore was the asshole who said a vote for bush is a vote for Gore

Moore also told us that McCain and Romney were going to win

Warren is a good candidate. She doesn’t hire people who voted for Jill Stein, there is only one candidate that is doing that, and that same candidate embraces Sarandon to his campaign who couldn’t resist taking a shot at Warren

MM lost all credibility at the women’s march when he started dissing the Democratic Party, but Ashley Judd wasn’t having any of his bullshit, and effectively told Moore to go away. That March was a unity Gathering, not the forum for a divisive asshole, who is desperately trying to become relevant

[gibraltar72]

30. We missed you.

[Auggie]

33. I've always liked Senator Warren ...

was thrilled when she won the Massachusetts seat.

I have a millennial friend, age 25 -- a street fighter and smart cookie -- who's passionate for Warren. I hope there are millions more like her.

[BlueMTexpat]

34. Excellent! Welcome!

But I'm not fond of Moore.

[still_one]

38. Exactly. The only thing Moore is, is a division army asshole trying to be relevant

[Ponietz]

35. The era of Demicans and Republicrats is finished

The RePukes figured that out in the 90’s. Wall Street wants me to believe it still exists.

[still_one]

39. Your sincerity amazes me. Biden to Warren, sure thing, Instead of a link to someone

endorsing Senator Warren, you provide a link to the divisionary, Democratic Party bashing MM

Makes a lot of sense

[obnoxiousdrunk]

40. Like you I

hope MM votes for the nominee too...

[mcar]

41. Michael Moore?

[jimlup]

44. Michael Moore is a friend of mine

and we all would do well to take him seriously.

[mcar]

58. Ok

[Auggie]

50. Yeah, the guy who said Trump could win in 2016

[obnoxiousdrunk]

57. The same guy

who said Obama would be only known for being the first black President.

[jimlup]

43. Yes!

Now we need to convince the Sanders supporters that this is the game that wins.

[Joe941]

45. I'd reccomend taking a look at bernie.

That's probably who Moore would suggest.

[Auggie]

51. Moore simply said "street fighter."

[at140]

52. Warren is the most knowledgeable on banking & Wall Street

issues. She has been solid on her agenda and does not adjust to the prevailing wind,
unlike another candidate who will remain nameless. You know who it is.

Biden is a good man, but age has caught up with him. Obama has not come out for him either.

[emmaverybo]

55. Then she should be secretary of the treasury. The next president needs a whole heck of a lot more

knowledge than of banking and Wall St. Foreign policy and relations, for instance.

Warren has too many extravagant and sweeping plans at a time when existing social programs are struggling, broken, underfunded, and the deficit is sky high. She could address student debt without giving away the store. And what about mortgage debt? I hope she prunes her many plans and focuses on a select three to four. They would take up a two term presidency.

Obama said he would not come out for anyone during the primaries. If Biden wins those, you can
bet Obama will support him with great enthusiasm.

[at140]

59. You are not aware of the coming financial collapse

similar to 2008, now engineered by another republican president Trump by tax cuts for the rich who received 84% of tax cut money EVERY YEAR AFTER YEAR.

A treasury secretary works for the president. We need a PRESIDENT who understands banking.
Only president Elizabeth Warren can do something to tackle the coming collapse which will ruin finances of more families than in 2008.

Warren's poll numbers and crowds are rising!

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/elizabeth-warren

[Skya Rhen]

60. And during the 2008 financial collapse, Biden was put in charge of the Recovery Act which averted a

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possible depression and which gave us the strong economy that we currently have.

Joe's got this!


https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/vice-president-biden-oversee-administrations-implementation-recovery-acts-provision

Snip...

President Barack Obama announced Vice President Joe Biden will oversee the Administration’s implementation of the Recovery Act’s provisions and the appointment of Earl Devaney as Chair of the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board in a meeting with the Nation’s Governors this morning.

Snip...

"Beginning this week, Vice President Biden will meet regularly with key members of my cabinet to make sure our efforts are not just swift, but efficient and effective. He’ll also work closely with our nation’s Governors, and our Mayors, and everyone else involved in this effort, to keep things on track. The fact that I am asking the Vice President to personally lead this effort shows how important it is for our country and our future to get this right, and I thank him for his willingness to take on this critical task," President Obama told a group of Governors this morning.

[emmaverybo]

69. This, this, this. Thank you Skya Rhen for reminding us of the instrumental role Biden played in

the implementation of the Obama administration’s Recovery Act, which, along with other achievements under Obama, brought us to fiscal health from the brink of collapse.

Joe Biden has multiple experiences in many realms—these add up to unmatched job specific qualifications—from the economy to foreign policy and relations. So much to restore. Let’s go, Joe!

[Hortensis]

75. :) Yes. Whoever we elect will create and lead a brilliant team.

The presidency isn't a one-man band, after all.

Biden, Warren, and a handful of other highly qualified people would attract and be able to choose among many top people eager to be on the team that rescues our nation and uses the current crises to advance security and wellbeing on many fronts. Very exciting opportunities.

[at140]

78. Prevention is far better than cure

If Warren is the next president, it is the best chance to AVOID and PREVENT financial collapse.
It took many years to recover from the pain of 2008 financial collapse.

[handmade34]

53. not switching here but

Elizabeth Warren has always been tied w/Biden for me... I'll take either

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Elizabeth is #2 on my list... could easily see her climbing to #1!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Skid Rogue]

61. Cheers to you!

They're both great candidates. It makes me proud to be a Dem. We have some great choices.

[colsohlibgal]

62. I Am All In For Warren

This election is about getting rid of Orange Fat Guy more than anything. I think any of our top tier candidates will win.

I will vote for whoever we nominate but I think Warren would be the best President. As I have said before, I think Joe is too old and he is already prone to gaffes, Two terms would end with him in his mid 80s. Do we really want to risk that ? Two terms of Elizabeth would end with her pretty close to Joe’s age right now.

Really surprised to see the sharp decline in support for Kamala.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

64. lol. Michael Moore convinced me...

to never give AF about what he says.

[still_one]

76. The OPs sincerity kind a gives themselves away. Probably should have made the switch a little more

as the primary field shrank, than it would not have been so obvious

[myohmy2]

65. "I'm switching from Joe Biden to Elizabeth Warren"

...she's a very good step on your way to Bernie...

...we'll keep the door open and light on...

...

[Auggie]

82. Thanks. But the Bernie ship sail has sailed IMO.

[customerserviceguy]

66. It will be interesting

When Biden and Warren face each other in a debate.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

68. Better title.."I decided I want Trump to "win" again" ?

Seriously, chances to rid us of MF45 ALL depend on matchups. At this point, Joe does best.

[Lordquinton]

72. That would be a terrible, misleading title

All our candidates beat trump hands down, and Biden's numbers are slipping as the race heats up. Warren passed him in Iowa, and that will only continue.

[jcgoldie]

74. So anyone who prefers any candidate to Joe Biden "want(s) Trump to win"?

Or is that just unique to Elizabeth Warren supporters?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

83. No, if you can't beat trump it's all for naught.

[Auggie]

81. Your words, not mine ...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. Sorry. I want the person who can best trump by

the largest margin. And beat him in the most swing states. That won't even be enough though unless we think outside the McConnell box and protect the vote. Need a constant public awareness campaign ASAP.

[Auggie]

87. So do I ... guess we'll have to see how it plays out

Anyway you slice it, the next 14 months are going to brutal. We're on the same team, and we'll slug it out together.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

89. Trump crimes and outrageous acts have piled up

So high...even we who are political junkies can't keep up. Like what crazy thing did he do three weeks ago? Who can remember. This is his MO.

To beat him you almost need a week long brainstorm session. And look at the polls and his crap and narrow it down to the top ten.

That's why I think we should have impeached in April...at least make some attempt to say to the world, "here's the worst of what he's done so far."

[BlueJac]

77. K&R

[quickesst]

79. personally....

.... Michael Moore would be one of the last people I would let influence my preference. I put Michael Moore in the same company as a Nina Turner or a Susan Sarandon. Despite what's coming out of their mouth, you can bet it's a bad interpretation of what they are really thinking.

[Auggie]

80. Don't make stuff up. Moore is not supporting Warren. He says we need a street fighter.

I like Joe too. But to millennials and (possibly) to many minorities he's just another member of old-school political Washington. The trick is to get people people to come to the polls instead of staying home. They didn't turn out for Clinton vs Trump, in spite of have every reason to. What makes you think they're going to magically appear for Joe Biden?

[quickesst]

85. accusing someone of being a liar....

.... is not something to be thrown around lightly here at DU. First of all, where in my post was Warren's name even mentioned? Second, where in my post did I say Michael Moore was supporting Elizabeth Warren? If you are referring to the ridiculous bulshit about Warren's Republican past, you do understand that an individual's character and ideology is made up of multiple views and not based upon one singular issue? My comparison of Michael Moore to Turner and Sarandon has nothing really to do with any of the candidates. It is my opinion that whatever Michael Moore says has an underlying agenda behind it. I simply don't trust him, just as I don't trust Turner or Sarandon.

[ooky]

86. My fear

I'm afraid that a candidate pushing Medicare for All will sink us in the general election and we will get another four years of president pussygrabber. I'm guessing that same fear is probably causing a lot of polling toward Joe Biden that we are seeing now.

I would love nothing more than for Elizabeth Warren to be our president, but I'm not convinced she will win the general election because of MFA. Also, much of what she wants to do she suggests paying for with a wealth tax that is certain to be subjected to a challenge in the courts. I hope I am wrong about her electability, because I'm also concerned about a scenario in which Sanders' support consolidates behind Warren that is enough for her to win the nomination. I know its still "early" but in the early going its looking to me like a strong probability of coming down to a race between Biden and Warren.

[LincolnRossiter]

91. I'm sticking with Biden but have warmed to Warren...

Just a super sharp lady. Her politics are to the left of mine, but I could easily cope in a general election.

[gldstwmn]

92. IMO she is a better candidate.