Jill Biden: 'Swallow a little bit' and vote for Joe

[Baclava]

"Your candidate might be better on, I don't know, health care, than Joe is, but you've got to look at who's going to win this election," she said. "And maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say, 'OK, I personally like so and so better,' but your bottom line has to be that we have to beat Trump."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/19/politics/jill-biden-joe-biden-beat-donald-trump/index.html

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Is that gonna be his primary campaign slogan? LOL

[dlk]

1. Interesting Choice of Words...

[enough]

5. No kidding NT

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

35. Can't believe Jill said that... that's some vote of confidence!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[bigtree]

2. well that's condescending

...not persuading, presumptuous and arrogant.

[Princetonian]

9. Irony is dead.

[Cha]

17. No kidding!

[BannonsLiver]

66. Oh my!

On point, and ACCURATE.

[Cha]

16. lol@yes "irony is dead".

[George II]

23. No it isn't. It's practical, and she's basically shattering the "purity" myth.

[bigtree]

71. the 'purity myth' is an invention of those who advocate doing less

...and stifling progressive initiatives and change to mollify conservative voters.

The "no, we can't" approach bases it's reticence for progressive change on fear of Trump voters. Not exactly a rallying cry for a new generation.

[Ponietz]

85. +1 The myth is that there is a middle

[Celerity]

92. +1

[bigtree]

25. Biden failed at this, three times

Kamala Harris has NEVER lost an election.

[Demsrule86]

57. How many times will Senator Harris run for president do you suppose...she is not doing well...but is

young and will have more opportunities to run ....

[bigtree]

60. one more time

...for her re-election as president.

[Demsrule86]

69. Not looking like she will win the nomination much less a general...but maybe in 2028.

She is young enough. Of course if something happens and she is the surprise nominee, she has my vote in the general.

[bigtree]

80. Joe's electable enough

...

[Demsrule86]

94. That he is... I just want to win in 2020. We need three states WI, MI and PA.

I like Joe don't get me wrong...but it is all about kicking out the orange menace.

[onetexan]

86. agree, and i'd love it if she mends fences with Joe and he considers her for VEEP

Kamala would make a great VP for Biden. One thing this " youngun' " needs to learn is not to burn bridges with people. As the saying goes, politics makes strange bedfellows, and you never know when you'll need the political capital from others, or for others to lend you theirs.

[onetexan]

63. Thanks Demrule, i had forgotten to mention that small fact re: her sliding in the polls in my

rebuttal earlier. She's slid down to 5% now i think?

[Demsrule86]

68. I think that is the number.

[onetexan]

61. uh huh, she also was never VP. And she's a first term senator. How many years has Biden been in the

Senate now, remind me?

[BannonsLiver]

65. Stay down.

[Locrian]

82. that is a stunningly accurate post

I wonder what the numbers would be w/o the Obama connection/name recognition?

[nini]

27. I have a lot of respect for Jill Biden

I don't see her being presumptuous or arrogant ever.

[bigtree]

58. what a damn remark though

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...this is the primary where voters bring their issues forward and look for candidates who will represent those in the election and beyond.

Selling ourselves short right now may be well and good for the former second lady, but many of us have been through campaigns before where we're promised to just get this candidate or that in the door and everything will magically fall in place.

It NEVER happens that ignored issues, concerns given short shrift for political expediency, initiatives shelved because some republican somewhere won't vote for it, somehow resurrect themselves after election day.

We have a wide and diverse field of candidates to choose from. ANY of the top tier can move on from our convention with almost the entire party behind them, and then some. None of these candidates should expect to lose against Trump.

It's campaign fiction that Biden is the best candidate to beat Trump. His 'electability' quotient is an invention of polling, more that something concrete about Biden. His 'experience' is that he ran three times for president, on his own, and lost three times.

The Bidens should be humbled by those experiences, but they're out here claiming he's a lock. Forgive my political memory, but her husband has more to prove to me than where he stands in the polls over a year out from the election.

If they want to make it their strategy to portray other campaigns as one-issue, or inferior, that's their call, but we have several capable candidates who haven't experienced three failed presidential runs, candidates who are proposing different solutions, different approaches, different initiatives, and suggesting we "swallow a little" at this point is just condescending and arrogant, not withstanding Jill Biden's good character.

[Ponietz]

84. +1

Very well stated

[Demsrule86]

3. She means...you might think your candidate is better on say health care but electability is what

matters posted at least twice before. I agree with her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. Yes, which is why Bernie is going to be the nominee... no question!!

Bernie will trounce the Racist-in-Chief!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[BannonsLiver]

67. True to form!

Thanks for today’s edition of unintentional comedy. It really hit the spot.

[bloom]

49. People need more of a reason to vote for someone - than that.

There is actually no reason for me to think that Biden would win.

He might get more of the white male democrats and some of the independents - but if everyone else yawns and stays home - he's not going to win.

[Demsrule86]

55. I don't not this year...Trump must go. But I like Biden...he will be a good president and able

to begin the job immediately with his experience...it doesn't matter how pure your criteria is...if your person can't get elected...it is for nothing...which is why candidates usually move to the center in the general...but this year...most have gone way to far left...we have a winning issue with the ACA...MFA not so much. Open borders, reparations, free college etc...most worthy ideas but will kill us in a general. Dr. Jill is correct. You pick any other candidate than Biden, Trump wins.

[LonePirate]

4. I don't know if that is laughable or sad.

[Steelrolled]

15. Sad

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. Both!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[onetexan]

6. I happen to agree with Jill Biden. There is no perfect candidate, and

No one candidate will meet everyone's expectations. Joe has the best qualifications. You might not like some things about him and you might like others. But as the polls show, he stands above the others consistently at the top, and he sure as heck is alot better than the DOTUS we have now. Im banking on his electability.

[Autumn]

7. We can beat Trump. We have several other than Joe that can do it and

"no swallowing required."

[George II]

11. It wasn't a pre-planned comment, off the cuff. Polls show that Biden is the best to beat trump....

Steyer's not the one.

[Autumn]

14. Polls show that Biden's NOT the only one who can beat Trump... his supporters

and his wife can swallow, the rest of us need not do that until the GE. If at all. The primary has a way to go and there are still good people in the race.

[George II]

20. But they show that Biden has the biggest margin against trump.

[Autumn]

22. They show that Biden is not the only one who can beat Trump. That biggest margin of his

means nothing at this time. It will fluctuate.

[Andy823]

31. I agree

Six months is a long time, and things will change, poll numbers will change, and until then we have a lot of great candidates who are "electable" to listen to and make a choice. Joe is NOT the only one who can win!

[George II]

51. This morning's Morning Consult Poll results:

Biden 42 vs Trump 35
Sanders 40 vs Trump 35
Warren 35 vs Trump 35
Harris 32 vs Trump 35
Booker 28 vs Trump 35
Buttigieg 27 vs Trump 35
O'Rourke 28 vs Trump 36

[Autumn]

52. Awesome! Bernie can beat Trump too. So no need to take Dr. Jills advice and swallow?

I thought of switching when I saw that but I'm gonna wait and see what happens when my guy gets in.

[George II]

53. Tom Steyer isn't even on the list. Nobody has a better chance of beating trump than Biden. True?

[Skya Rhen]

21. I concur!

[rpannier]

8. your bottom line has to be that we have to beat Trump

Agree we have to beat il douche
I don't think Biden is the best choice to do that

[George II]

10. You haven't been paying attention, he HAS a primary campaign slogan.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. It's way too early in the campaign for this tactic. Sheesh.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

13. .

[George II]

19. Stop winking at me, please!

[delisen]

18. So tired of the sales job-hard sell, early close

It seems like a demand to not think.

we are the citizens, we are the people, we have enough Republicans eager to bury democracy. I do not appreciate this coming from democrats.

[Skya Rhen]

24. On the contrary, I interpret it as her appealing to the electorate to "think".

[democrank]

26. During our last presidential election, millions of people

“swallowed a little bit” and now our “president” cages children and is trying to buy Denmark.

We have several qualified candidates, so I plan to listen and learn. Many of our candidates have a fresh, forward-leaning approach to old problems and a very different way of looking at things.
Some voters might find that exciting and inspirational. I do.

[DavidDvorkin]

28. And many refused to, and that's a major reason Trump is president.

[CentralMass]

33. It should be noted that 2016 was the first election since the Supreme Court ruled against

the Voting Rights Act in 2013 and this led to the closing of over 800 polling places across the country, and stricter ID requirements for voters in multiple states.

[Celerity]

41. Hpefully Stacey Abrams' national anti-voter suppression campaign tears into that rot.

'Rigging the game': Stacey Abrams kicks off campaign to fight voter suppression

Abrams, a potential Democratic nominee for vice-president, says African American voter suppression has ‘gone underground’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/18/stacey-abrams-campaign-fight-voter-suppression

Stacey Abrams is a potential Democratic nominee for vice-president in 2020. She is also now the leader of a national campaign against voter suppression and intimidation which she launched on Saturday in Georgia, where last year she lost a controversial race for governor.

The former Georgia House minority leader kicked off Fair Fight 2020 at an elementary school in Gwinnett county, near Atlanta. Gwinnett turned Democratic in elections which saw Abrams’ narrow defeat by Republican Brian Kemp gain national attention.

Kemp was Georgia’s secretary of state, which meant he oversaw his own race. Abrams, with others, filed a lawsuit alleging serious flaws within the overall process.

On Saturday, she told her audience: “Gwinnett proved that you are the future. But … we are still mired in a past of voter suppression. And voter intimidation. And mistakes made. But we are going to correct those mistakes in 2020.”

Speaking to ABC’s This Week in an interview broadcast on Sunday, she said: “We have a right to vote in the United States that is afforded to eligible American citizens but we have seen over the last 20 years a constriction on who has the right to use that right.

snip

https://fairfight.com/fair-fight-2020/

Like decades of past elections, the 2018 elections in Georgia were rife with mismanagement and irregularities, but Georgians are fighting back. Fair Fight advocates for election reform, engages in voter education, and encourages turnout in order to secure the voting rights of all Georgians. The 501(c)(4) arm of the organization, Fair Fight Action, engages in activities such as conducting a vote-by-mail program; educating voters about elections, voting procedures, and voting rights; and facilitating a get-out-the-vote program to mobilize voters to cast their ballots during early voting and on election day.

This year, Fair Fight is working to expand democracy and ensure all voters have access to the polls. We promote fair elections in Georgia and around the country, encourage voter participation in elections, and educate voters about elections and their voting rights. Fair Fight brings awareness to the public on election reform, advocates for election reform at all levels, and engages in targeted voter registration and other voter outreach programs and communications.

[Green Line]

74. Exactly right

[jcgoldie]

29. ...

[myohmy2]

30. "...we have to beat Trump."

...absolutely...

...Joe's a nice guy and all but he's a little past sell-by...

...we need fresh ideas in Washington; a new way of thinking, a new way of approaching our intransigent problems...

...Joe lacks the burn in the belly, the burn that Bernie has...Bernie intensely believes in what he's saying and what he wants to do...and he wants you to believe it too...

...Joe on the other hand seems more scripted and plastic...

...Joe is good, Elizabeth is better, but Bernie is best...

...it's the way it is...

[CentralMass]

32. +1

[Laura PourMeADrink]

43. Sure. It will be very comforting to cling to those ideals

on the day after Dipshit gets re-elected

[onetexan]

44. Lol another angry candidate who isnt a real Dem

No thanks

[DesertRat]

34. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

39. Seriously!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Celerity]

36. wow, what a choice of words nt

[MBS]

47. my reaction as well.n/t

[Autumn]

50. Yeah, I did a spit take on that.

[Celerity]

70. lololololol

[Lotusflower70]

40. Good God

That's absolutely awful. Wow just wow. Unbelievable. Such a ringing endorsement by his own wife lol.

[onetexan]

45. Nothong awful about it. Jill said what we all need to consider.

No one in the field is better than Joe. Otherwise be wouldnt be topping the polls consistently.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

42. So simple to me. Whoever has the best matchups! nt

[DeminPennswoods]

46. IMHO, this isn't a winning campaign strategy

just to run on "electability". Right now Biden has the highest name recognition, but now that the Dem primary field has been winnowed down for debate 3, the other candidates will become more well-known and at least a few will start closing the "electability gap" on Biden.

[Demsrule86]

56. I think it is...I always consider whether a person can get elected when I make a primary choice.

[Baclava]

72. I think they think it is, Generic Democrat, middle of the road Joe, we got this, don't rock the boat

Just show up and win on name recognition, no thinking needed, run out the string of debates, limit appearances and gaffes, claim victory

ayep

[cwydro]

48. I'm a Warren fan, my best friend is Biden all the way.

That comment bothered both of us.

[Baclava]

96. For different reasons I bet lol n/t

[jalan48]

54. Yikes!

[zackymilly]

59. Can we get shirts? "I Swallow For Joe Biden" n/t

[DesertRat]

75. ...

[Ponietz]

95. 👍

[Hortensis]

62. I don't think this "whatever" is worth more than a very short thread.

Same for this stuff for any other candidate.

[BannonsLiver]

64. Gee willakers what a shock!1!1

A candidates spouse enthusiastically supports their candidacy.

Film at 11...

[Celerity]

73. "Your candidate might be better on, I don't know, health care''

does not sound like

A candidates spouse enthusiastically supports their candidacy.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[BannonsLiver]

87. Hmm

If you're going to try and make the case Jill Biden doesn't enthusiastically support her husband's campaign go ahead and make it. I've seen no evidence of that.

[Celerity]

88. I am sure she does but this interview is certainly not Exhibit A in terms of effectively doing so

[BannonsLiver]

89. There are a lot of words said by a lot of people over the course of any presidential campaign.

Some words, some phrases, are better or more effective than others.

[Celerity]

90. agreed

[lame54]

76. That to you is an example of enthusiasm?

[George II]

77. Bazinga!

[Princetonian]

78. How's Warren doing in South Carolina, Baclava?

[MFM008]

79. I will vote

For the democratic nominee.
Period.

[emmaverybo]

81. I don't and the majority of Americans don't want Medicare for All if they have to give up

employer provided plans they like and pay much higher taxes. Like me, they also worry about
quality. We can work with what we have now and make a path to universal coverage.

So I don’t have to swallow. But Jill knows progressives are hyper-focused on policy and so sold on
one option among many to drastically improve healthcare that they reject the most all around qualified, prepared, experienced, and knowledgeable candidate in the hopes of getting a particular policy agenda. Foolhardy because M4All won’t be implemented, if ever, under any candidate, and meanwhile all the political and financial capital invested in it could undermine Obamacare, Medicaid, and certainly the excellent coverage many seniors have on Medicare plus supplemental
insurance.

Fix it where it needs fixing, and leave what’s not broken alone.

Seems to me that is Biden’s plan.

[Locrian]

83. just not true...

>>don't want Medicare for All if they have to give up employer provided plans they like


https://www.businessinsider.com/most-americans-employer-based-plans-healthcare-medicare-for-all-2019-8

A majority of Americans with employer-based health insurance don't mind if it changes to Medicare for All — as long as they can keep their current coverage

59% said they would support switching their employer-based health insurance to a government plan under Medicare for All. This figure includes 20% of respondents who said they "didn't like" their plan, which are more likely to contain voters more persuadable to back Medicare for All.

[emmaverybo]

93. No. The plans won't be the same. And people whose employers pay most of the premium...? How

about retirees whose retirement benefits pays 100 percent of the Medicare fee and the supplemental plan to provide 100 percent coverage and medications for two to fifteen dollars a prescription?

My plan covers urgent care and emergency if I travel abroad(up to six month) and if I retire abroad, though I would lose Medicare.

Many on single payer in Europe, NHS especially, endure huge wait times, quality disparities between service areas, and must pay out of pocket for good specialists. They do not contrary to what some Americans believe, get all drugs or procedures approved. Under NHS, hip replacement surgeries are now considered elective with wait lists so long elderly die before their number comes up.

Frankly, we don’t know what M4All will look like. However,

the plans won’t be the same.

[progressoid]

91. Oops.