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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:20 PM Aug 2019

BETO O'ROURKE IS STILL POLLING IN BOTTOM TIER OF CANDIDATES AFTER HIS EL PASO RESPONSE


https://www.newsweek.com/beto-orourke-donald-trump-white-nationalism-polls-2020-1455358
Still, his actions were not enough to inspire Americans to think of him as a top presidential contender, according to a new Morning Consult poll.

O'Rourke's campaign team suspended fundraising emails and political ads right after the shooting, but still made sure to emphasize how electable the candidate was after his speeches. Senior members of his staff retweeted media that claimed O'Rourke was "finding his voice" in the wake of the tragedy and emphasized that he made surprise trips to memorials and delivered fervent speeches without teleprompters.

Yet the latest poll, which surveyed 17,000 registered Democratic voters over the last week, found O'Rourke's chances at the presidency stagnant and weak. The Texan had just three percent of the national vote share and was in a three-way tie for 9th place with New Jersey Senator Cory Booker and tech entrepreneur Andrew Yang. O'Rourke peaked, with about 8 percent of the vote in January, two months before he even officially announced his candidacy, but has steadily been declining in the polls since.
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BETO O'ROURKE IS STILL POLLING IN BOTTOM TIER OF CANDIDATES AFTER HIS EL PASO RESPONSE (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 OP
BASH Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #1
BIDEN IS STILL POLLING IN FIRST PLACE BY DOUBLE DIGITS George II Aug 2019 #3
WITH DOUBLE DIGITS bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #11
The Morning Consult that is linked in the Newsweek article has Biden ahead 31-20. George II Aug 2019 #12
A FULL TIME DEMOCRAT dalton99a Aug 2019 #29
AND BETO IS ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT nt NYMinute Aug 2019 #38
Beto told us he would take the fight to Donald Trump bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #2
And I thought this was a PRO Democratic party and candidates site, sigh. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #5
This place bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #8
Yeah, FB is full of KGB operatives and as long as they walk a fine line they are Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #10
Essentially they use mass media PR tactics bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #13
What are you talking about? Lordquinton Aug 2019 #14
I'm not wondering. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #18
Beto wont be special in this, they will come after ANY and ALL Democrats. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #19
So you think this place is the Fox News for Democrats? sacto95834 Aug 2019 #24
uh huh Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #32
I dont see bashing. cwydro Aug 2019 #39
I thought this was a PRO Democratic party site... to discuss the primaries! Autumn Aug 2019 #26
I thought this was a place to discuss.... Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #33
But he doesnt have what it takes to go all the way this time. Maybe in another election. oldsoftie Aug 2019 #6
Unnecessary comments Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #20
Has someone appointed you the arbiter of comments? cwydro Aug 2019 #37
:) Shouldn't but does, all right. We'll know we're a Hortensis Aug 2019 #21
I agree with your assessment. oldsoftie Aug 2019 #30
o'rourke has the the right stuff. we'll see him again. Kurt V. Aug 2019 #4
Yes, later, as he matures politically. oldsoftie Aug 2019 #7
Beto is a Dark Horse bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #9
He could easily be doing better than polls indicate Bettie Aug 2019 #23
Poll numbers in the bottom nevergiveup Aug 2019 #15
It wouldn't be a day that ends in "y" without another Beto hit-job smh nt liskddksil Aug 2019 #16
Newsweek does hit jobs? It's always been one of my favorite publications. Autumn Aug 2019 #27
. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #17
The problem with having a strong field Bettie Aug 2019 #22
That just puzzles the hell out of me, I thought he might catch on. THE CAPPS!! Autumn Aug 2019 #25
He should drop out and run for Senator like Hickenlooper. jalan48 Aug 2019 #28
Texas has 8 fantastic Senate candidates running. liskddksil Aug 2019 #34
Amanda Edwards would be a wonderful Senator Celerity Aug 2019 #35
Glad to hear there are a lot of good candidates. Maybe Beto can get some type of appointment if a jalan48 Aug 2019 #36
All I'm gonna say is - the all caps subject line is not inviting. Claritie Pixie Aug 2019 #31
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. BIDEN IS STILL POLLING IN FIRST PLACE BY DOUBLE DIGITS
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:31 PM
Aug 2019
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bucolic_frolic

(43,157 posts)
11. WITH DOUBLE DIGITS
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:52 PM
Aug 2019

He is in first place by a few points.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
12. The Morning Consult that is linked in the Newsweek article has Biden ahead 31-20.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:54 PM
Aug 2019
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dalton99a

(81,485 posts)
29. A FULL TIME DEMOCRAT
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:38 PM
Aug 2019
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
38. AND BETO IS ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR VICE PRESIDENT nt
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 12:15 PM
Aug 2019
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bucolic_frolic

(43,157 posts)
2. Beto told us he would take the fight to Donald Trump
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:30 PM
Aug 2019

and that is what he will do. He is a truth teller, he is telling us who he is and what he believes, and this message takes time to resonate. He still has opportunity, but it may need crisis for the chance to be a serious contender. No matter, we need him in the race to define Trump's motives and character, because other candidates will move on to policy and message while Beto keeps on telling it like it is.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
5. And I thought this was a PRO Democratic party and candidates site, sigh.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019

But when I see NEGATIVE stories HIGHLIGHTED WITH ALL CAPS about one of our great people, i wonder.

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bucolic_frolic

(43,157 posts)
8. This place
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:41 PM
Aug 2019

is crawling with bothsiders, who act like Democrats but sew doubt and confusion like Russian ops. I try to report them, but they skirt many of the criteria for reporting.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
10. Yeah, FB is full of KGB operatives and as long as they walk a fine line they are
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:49 PM
Aug 2019

allowed to divide us all over the place.

Being able to CALL THEM OUT in plain language would make a huge difference, but if we do that we are the ones in trouble.

Sigh, say goodbye to everything you, your parents and grandparents fought for.

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bucolic_frolic

(43,157 posts)
13. Essentially they use mass media PR tactics
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:01 PM
Aug 2019

Double messages. Double messages are meant to confuse and control. The more subtle they are, the more confusing, and these operatives are very good at it. Once they have you confused by two subtly incongruous details, they have you ready to accept whatever they suggest to defuse your cognitive dissonance. Gotcha.

I sometimes point out the incompatible sides, and ask "what's going on here?" Discrediting them erodes their credibility. But they quickly move to the next subject or the next victim.

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Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
14. What are you talking about?
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:01 PM
Aug 2019

It's an article from Newsweek looking at numbers and reasons.

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TexasTowelie

(112,167 posts)
18. I'm not wondering.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:35 PM
Aug 2019

The supporters of a certain candidate were among the first to dish out the bullshit against Beto. They must be wprried that their own candidate has slumping poll numbers.

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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
19. Beto wont be special in this, they will come after ANY and ALL Democrats.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:36 PM
Aug 2019

And we will have to be oh so careful how we ... ...

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sacto95834

(393 posts)
24. So you think this place is the Fox News for Democrats?
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:56 PM
Aug 2019

I see nothing wrong w/this post. It reported that Beto is not polling as well as his campaign expected after his El Paso outreach. There was no glee in his low poll numbers. You just didn't like that the headline was in CAPs?

The poster didn't make fun of Beto or his family. I really fail to see how this is bashing.

I personally think that maybe it's too soon to see any movement in the polls for Beto. Maybe in another week or so.

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
39. I dont see bashing.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 12:19 PM
Aug 2019

It’s an article in a national news magazine,

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Autumn

(45,073 posts)
26. I thought this was a PRO Democratic party site... to discuss the primaries!
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:19 PM
Aug 2019

And the candidates! You know...

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
33. I thought this was a place to discuss....
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 07:44 PM
Aug 2019
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oldsoftie

(12,534 posts)
6. But he doesnt have what it takes to go all the way this time. Maybe in another election.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019

He doesnt have a lot of what shouldnt matter but does, charisma, forcefulness, gravitas, the "look", etc. Again, none of that should matter but in the modern TV world it does

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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
37. Has someone appointed you the arbiter of comments?
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 11:59 AM
Aug 2019

We all have a right to express our opinions here, do we not?

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. :) Shouldn't but does, all right. We'll know we're a
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:40 PM
Aug 2019

genuinely mature democracy when we make them campaign with bags over their heads.

I think he can have it all eventually, after all he wowed sophisticated observers in TX, but my picture is he's suffering from running as an ultimately inadequate "youthful" alternative to Joe Biden especially. He has plenty of competition for being under 50, though I didn't realize he apparently stands alone as the only one who speaks truth. But that wonderful qualification aside, six years in the house of reps is very unimpressive on its own, much less when competing with VP Biden's 40 years in government and statesmanship.

What I also read, though, is that his campaign just wasn't ready to fly when the gun went off, or for some time after.

Well, he's not out yet.

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oldsoftie

(12,534 posts)
30. I agree with your assessment.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 04:15 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
4. o'rourke has the the right stuff. we'll see him again.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:35 PM
Aug 2019
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oldsoftie

(12,534 posts)
7. Yes, later, as he matures politically.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019
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bucolic_frolic

(43,157 posts)
9. Beto is a Dark Horse
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 12:48 PM
Aug 2019

I think he is the only candidate not in the top 5 who still has the potential to go the distance. Campaigns are funny. A stumble, an issue, a national emergency - all can shift in a fortnight. He needs to supplant his personal story in the narrative he tells with how his story shapes his vision for the country. Personal stories matter in a statewide campaign, but they are not as relevant for national office.

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Bettie

(16,104 posts)
23. He could easily be doing better than polls indicate
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:54 PM
Aug 2019

People keep telling me Biden has this all wrapped up, yet, when I talk to Democrats around here, it is nowhere near over and there are a lot of candidates who have a good deal of support, at least here in flyover country!

His organizers are energetic and positive and they make an effort to interact with people.

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nevergiveup

(4,760 posts)
15. Poll numbers in the bottom
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:20 PM
Aug 2019

tier are pretty much locked in at this point no matter what those candidates do. The only thing that could shake them up would be something quite dramatic and unexpected happening in the top tier and that too might not do it. Beto will likely never recover from his poor first debate performance. There were these huge expectations and he faltered. It is really sad because he has a lot to offer the Democratic party and the country. These are crazy times and anything in politics is possible but at this point I don't think it is in the cards for Beto. I hope I am wrong.

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
16. It wouldn't be a day that ends in "y" without another Beto hit-job smh nt
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:23 PM
Aug 2019
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Autumn

(45,073 posts)
27. Newsweek does hit jobs? It's always been one of my favorite publications.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:30 PM
Aug 2019
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Bettie

(16,104 posts)
22. The problem with having a strong field
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:50 PM
Aug 2019

is that some people will drop to the bottom through no deficiency of their own, but just who is catching on this time around.

But, he's young and can run another time around. Mayor Pete is also young and can run again.

I can easily see both of these men doing great things in the future, including being president.

Who knows, either could still pop farther up as the voting actually begins.

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Autumn

(45,073 posts)
25. That just puzzles the hell out of me, I thought he might catch on. THE CAPPS!!
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

THE CAPPS!!!!! They Blind Me!!!!

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jalan48

(13,864 posts)
28. He should drop out and run for Senator like Hickenlooper.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:30 PM
Aug 2019
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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
34. Texas has 8 fantastic Senate candidates running.
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 02:04 AM
Aug 2019

Instead of undermining them by pushing for hypotheticals we should be supporting one of them.

- Chris Bell, former U.S. Representative for Texas's 25th congressional district

- Michael Cooper, pastor and candidate for Lieutenant Governor in 2018. Nominee for governor in 2006, and candidate for mayor of Houston in 2015

- Amanda Edwards, Houston City Council member

- MJ Hegar, retired United States Air Force Major and nominee for Texas's 31st congressional district in 2018

- Sema Hernandez, activist and organizer for the Poor People's Campaign, candidate for U.S. Senate in 2018

- Adrian Ocegueda, financial analyst and candidate for governor in 2018

- Cristina Tzintzún Ramirez, labor organizer and author

- Royce West, state senator

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Celerity

(43,349 posts)
35. Amanda Edwards would be a wonderful Senator
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:13 AM
Aug 2019
Amanda Edwards is a Democratic to watch in contest to face Sen. Cornyn

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/columnists/grieder/article/Amanda-Edwards-is-someone-to-watch-in-Democratic-14109711.php

Houston City Councilwoman Amanda Edwards isn’t afraid of a competitive race. In 2015, she finished first in an eight-way race for At-Large Position 4, then cruised to victory in a runoff. And that’s good, because the municipal finance attorney could face two similarly competitive contests in 2020. Edwards on Thursday announced that she is seeking the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate seat held by Republican John Cornyn, a powerful and well-funded incumbent who has yet to draw a serious challenger in the GOP primary.

But Edwards will first have to survive a crowded primary. The Democratic field already includes former Houston congressman Chris Bell, Air Force combat veteran MJ Hegar, and activist Sema Hernandez. State Sen. Royce West of Dallas is expected to formally declare his own bid for the Senate on Monday. And there are other Democrats known to be eyeing the Senate race — or being eyed, perhaps, by wistful Democrats who see them as potentially strong candidates. Beto O’Rourke has so far stuck by his decision to launch a long-shot bid for president rather than for the Senate, following his impressive campaign last year against Texas’ other GOP senator, Ted Cruz.

The sheer number of plausible Democratic candidates for Senate in 2010 is telling. The last time Cornyn was on the ballot, in 2014, Texas was such a safe red state that Democrats struggled to muster credible candidates, much less competitive ones, for statewide races. The real contest, in that cycle, was in the Republican primary, which Cornyn won with 60 percent of the vote before cruising to a 26-point general election win.But Cornyn himself has been among the Republicans sounding the alarm in the wake of the 2018 midterms that, this time, Democrats truly do pose a real threat. “We are, I think, no longer the reliably red state we have been,” he told the Texas Tribune’s Abby Livingston last month.

And Edwards, a graduate of Eisenhower High School in Aldine ISD who went on to earn a Harvard University law degree, agrees. On Thursday, at her campaign kickoff at DeLuxe Theater in Houston’s Fifth Ward, she told supporters that she expects the real fight to be in the Democratic primary. “Does anybody read Malcolm Gladwell?” Edwards asked Thursday evening, referring to the author of “David and Goliath” and other books. She explained that she would, as the Democratic nominee, be seen as David vs. the Republican Goliath, but that she would highlight the advantages that the former had in his battle against the giant.

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jalan48

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36. Glad to hear there are a lot of good candidates. Maybe Beto can get some type of appointment if a
Fri Aug 23, 2019, 10:51 AM
Aug 2019

Democrat becomes President.

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Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
31. All I'm gonna say is - the all caps subject line is not inviting.
Thu Aug 22, 2019, 04:39 PM
Aug 2019

Interesting your posts all have them. As if you're wanting confrontation. Why the all caps?

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