Bernie Sanders has stepped up his attacks on Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren. That isn't wise

[George II]

Bernie Sanders has stepped up his attacks on Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren. That isn't wise

Senator Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign has stepped up attacks on his Democratic rivals this week as the party’s 2020 presidential primary field narrows, setting its sights, in particular, on Senator Elizabeth Warren and Senator Kamala Harris.

The first shot fired came from Jeff Weaver, a senior adviser to the Sanders campaign, who dismissed the threat Warren posed by stating that they are not “competing for the same pool of voters” and that Sanders’ “base is much more diverse”.

The second hit came from Sanders himself, when he took to Twitter to declare that “I don’t go to the Hamptons to raise money from billionaires” hours after Harris held a fundraiser in the popular resort.

The third attack came from activist Susan Sarandon, who praised Sanders by stating that “he is not someone who used to be a Republican” – something many saw as an indirect criticism of Warren, who was a registered Republican in the mid-1990s.

The increase in attacks clearly reveals that Sanders and his campaign team are concerned at the recent polls showing he’s in a four-way battle for the Democratic nomination with Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris. His campaign has shifted strategy accordingly, as the people around him focus on criticising – directly and indirectly – the most threatening opponents in the primary contest.

(more.....)

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bernie-sanders-kamala-harris-elizabeth-warren-2020-us-election-a9072226.html

A good read.

[EveHammond13]

1. he is getting some bad advice

[Cha]

6. "..bad advice.."? BS hires these people

for a reason.

He had Sarandon introduce him in Iowa where she attacked Elizabeth Warren in her introduction.

[Demsrule86]

2. It was a good read.

[OilemFirchen]

3. Sanders' "base is much more diverse"?

That is profoundly ridiculous, and demonstrably false.

[Eric J in MN]

61. Bernie's support has the most non-whites

...of these candidates:
“And Friday, a poll from Pew confirms the trend: only 49% of Sanders supporters are white, compared with 56% of Biden voters, 59% of Harris voters, and a remarkable 71% of Warren voters.”

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/08/bernie-sanders-white-bernie-bro-race-2020-democratic-primary-pew-poll

[yardwork]

111. But how many supporters of color does each candidate have?

I'm certain, for instance, that both Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have more non-white supporters than Bernie Sanders has. They also have many more white supporters than he has, so their percentages look different.

[Eric J in MN]

118. That may be true of Biden but not Harris.

Biden 28.8

Sanders 16.0

Warren 15.4

Harris 7.4

Overall RCP averages at the time of this writing (will change when they post the next poll.)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

Kamala Harris can't have both more white and more non-white supporters than Bernie Sanders when she has fewer supporters overall.

[Me.]

4. No, He Goes To Hollywood For $1000. Lunches

[Funtatlaguy]

5. Sanders shouldn't touch party affiliation. Not a good subject.

[ancianita]

47. Gov track, on Sanders voting and cosponsorhip of Democratic bills, ranks him #2 most liberal in

Congress on their 2018 Report Card.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357/report-card/2018

Maybe you're mistaken.

[dawg day]

51. Elizabeth Warren was once a Republican. Now she's a Democrat.

I wouldn't criticize someone who learned and changed.

[Clash City Rocker]

54. Sanders was once an independent. Now he's a Democrat. Soon he'll be an independent again.

[ancianita]

55. Post a link and/or quote that proves Bernie Sanders, who was once a Democrat, criticizes a former

Republican who is now a Democrat.

I don't believe you until you do.

[Funtatlaguy]

58. It's not Bernie that brings it up.

There are some Dems that don’t like an Independent running as a Dem and then hogging back into the Senate as an Independent.

[MrsCoffee]

62. Lol, he was a Democrat for a minute.

He already filed to run as an Independent again in 2024.

[questionseverything]

65. plus 1

[MrsCoffee]

86. Who said Bernie shouldn't be a Senator?

Pretty knee jerk reaction to facts there, lol.

[ehrnst]

87. "20% of registered Dems" - you mean voters?

Where did you get that stat?

Here are some votes that Bernie cast.

Opposed the Brady Act, which mandated federal background checks for gun purchasers and restricted felons’ access to firearms https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/103-1993/h614

Opposed legislation that would've maintained or created over 300,000 small business jobs through loans
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1993/roll188.xml

Opposed attempts to prevent GOP cuts for benefits for legal immigrants, Medicaid, the disabled, and children safety nets http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll329.xml

Opposed Democratic attempts to increase funding for legal immigrants and child care http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll329.xml

Opposed federal funding to help the homeless http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed increased funding for nutritional programs for women infants and children http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1995/roll708.xml

Opposed funding for assisting prospective homeowners with AIDS http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed allowing breastfeeding on federal grounds http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1999/roll426.xml

Opposed legiation requiring federal agencies to create and enforce anti-sex discrimination policies http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed legislation banning imports from forced child labor http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1997/roll474.xml

Opposed funding going towards investigations of unfair trade practices http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed increased education funding http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed increases funding for poor students http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Opposed legislation increasing financial aid http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

Supported gutting oversight for agricultural marketing practices http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1995/roll550.xml

Opposed increased food safety and inspection http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2003/roll032.xml

And then there's Sierra Blanca - which Paul Wellstone called "environmental racism." Just google it for the fallout.

[George II]

96. Pretty grim voting record for someone who says "Not me. Us."

Thanks for the compendium of votes against the People.

[Jakes Progress]

7. As he slides into the eventual obscurity

that seems to be his fate. He could have been a real mover and shaker if he cared more about the issues he campaigns on instead of his personal agenda.

He should have joined the party and become a helper instead of a bomb thrower. I know he gets credit for bringing up a lot of issues, but he doesn't seem to have the skill or personality needed to get any of those issues addressed. That will be done by other people. . . people he could help if he cared as much about the issues as he does his position and pride.

It's a shame.

[ancianita]

64. Oh for chrissake. Grow up. He's not going anywhere. Learn what the hell the word "support" means.

You don't know his voting record if you call him a bomb thrower.

Yeah, "it is a shame," the irony of which escapes you.

Go read something.

[Cha]

79. You know what, ancianita? Members can

have opinions about BS without you cussing at them and telling them to grow up.

Believe it or not.. not everyone likes him and they have strong feelings why they don't.

[ancianita]

82. Members absolutely can. Does that include me? I've been cussed at plenty. If I thought feelings

were a good basis for one's politics, we'd be one fine feelgood groupthink, ganging up on the "get off my lawn" leaders, gaslighting against, bandwagoning for the shiny new outrage candidate.

I accept that not everyone likes.

"Dislikers" can at least provide some rational basis for dissing.

I've seen none of that here.

I'll take myself out of these threads.

[mtnsnake]

95. By far the best post of the week.

Maybe the month. Thank you, ancianita!

[George II]

97. I "read something" - Post #87 above.

[BannonsLiver]

98. Wow, you're really worked up.

[Jakes Progress]

107. Can you crawl down from your rant fest

to try to explain any part of your post.

I know you are all tizzied up when someone can see through BS, but you need to slow down and try to write as if you really want people to understand you.

Now, if rage and frustration is all you got, then I get it. A cure for that dyspepsia might be to do a little reading of your own. Tell you what. You suggest something that you think I need to read and I'll suggest something for you to try to read.

Bernie will become a minor footnote, not because he didn't espouse good ideas, but because his ego and lack of political acumen keeps him from actually moving any of those ideas forward.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

126. Got that right!! And why should he?!

The fear of Bernie is understandable, as he continues his steady climb in the polls. It's no wonder... Bernie is the most influential politician of our time!! Go Bernie... and Elizabeth!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Cha]

80. I agree.. Thank You, Jakes Progress.

[Amimnoch]

108. Makes one wonder if Russia is behind both him and Trump again?

Totally believe that it’s his “bombs” that makes him useful to their smear machine.

[TomCADem]

119. Vermont Public Radio: How The Russian Social Media Effort Boosted Bernie

I think Bernie's Trump-like conspiracy theories, attacks on the media and the legitimacy of the Democratic primary process are why Russia has supported both him and Trump. Likewise, if a candidate were very supportive of Russian allies like Syria and painted pro-Russian views as simply being anti-war, you might also expect Russian social media to help such candidates.

https://www.vpr.org/post/how-russian-social-media-effort-boosted-bernie#stream/0

Bernie Sanders inspired a political movement with his insurgent 2016 run for the Democratic presidential nomination. Yet he's been reluctant to acknowledge that his campaign likely got some help from a Russian covert propaganda campaign.

The allegations are laid out in a recent charges by Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

The 37-page indictment handed down last month includes dozens of allegations that Russians stole Americans' identities and created fake Facebook and Twitter accounts that worked as internet trolls designed to sow discord in the campaign.

These fake groups even staged political rallies, including one that featured an actress playing Hillary Clinton in a cage. And part of the effort was designed to assist Sanders, the special counsel said.

[Tiggeroshii]

8. So his refusal to raise money at the hamptons and his calim to have diverse supporters are somehow

Attacks? Just more right wing smears.

[bluedye33139]

29. Campaign staff said pretty normal things contrasting candidates

The news media turn those into "attacks," "smears," "denunciations," etc. -- I'm not a big Sarandon fan, but the response to her this week has pretty much just been all of the hate for her being suddenly focused again. What she said is within the normal range of okay statements. Warren was a Republican, and possibly others were. Warren is a Democrat now, as all the candidates are. I disagree with Sarandon, but the whole "you put Trump in office" thing is an overreaction.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

40. Bernie must be instilling serious fear of his winning the nomination in some people here!!

Understandable though... Bernie's got this!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

127. Just goes to show you that the fear that Bernie is winning is palpable around here.

It's understandable!! Fear the Bern!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[mcar]

9. Attacking the media. Attacking women candidate?

This is the oddest campaign strategy I've ever seen.

[NNadir]

20. A 2016 candidate for President did exactly that.

He's sitting in the White House, spittle drooling down his chin.

[mcar]

28. I hesitate to think anyone on our side would want to

emulate that.

[NNadir]

33. One would certainly hope so.

Nevertheless, there can be situations where candidates who develop a sense of themselves connected with uncritical adulation from a subset of the public can become so inflated as to believe it impossible that their failure to win is connected with a "fixed" system as opposed to honest rejection by a real majority.

[mcar]

56. That's a good point

[ancianita]

69. Questions:

In what "situations" did Sanders develop a sense of himself connected with "uncritical adulation"?

Describe the "subset of the public" that gave him the "uncritical adulation"?

What was "uncritical" about their adulation that inflated his sense of himself?

How does Sanders' public endorsement of his 2015 opponent at the DNC, and her thanking him for it, reflect a fixed system and not a real majority?

I ask because I was there in 2015-16, just as you were, and I didn't see what you now describe.

Commentators and most Democrats now acknowledge his influence on how the party presents itself.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/20/bernie-sanders-democratic-party

... the types of ideas laughed off in the 2016 primary as “magical unicorns” are now firmly in the party’s mainstream, even as they make its top brass sweat. Sensing a change in the political weather, skilled politicians who built their careers as sensible, business-friendly moderates, like Kirsten Gillibrand and Cory Booker, are rebranding themselves as bold progressives to vie for the party’s presidential nomination. Each has backed once fringe-left proposals such as Medicare-for-All, a federal job guarantee and a Green New Deal – all of which are hugely popular among voters. Young voters especially – on the cusp of becoming the country’s largest voter demographic – want a candidate who will do more than pay lip service to progressive ideals. As a result, several 2020 candidates now sound more like Sanders than their former selves.

And Sanders seems more like Democrats than his former self.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run

[NNadir]

81. Without wasting too much time discussing this guy...

...let me say this. Someone who loses the nomination and sulks around saying it was because he was grotesquely mistreated and the process is "not fair" and "is controlled by outside forces" is full of himself.

I don't see anything positive in his "influence" on the party myself, since part of his behavior is to continuously criticize the party for not being as good as he sees himself.

For the record, I am spectacularly disinterested in most of the opinions expressed by the Guardian. They do have some interesting articles from time to time, but they're pretty typical of journalism these days, which is not a good thing.

If Sanders has contributed - I'm not sure he did since this type of unfortunate rhetoric has been flying around our party for a long time - to the "Green New Deal" that is hardly a good thing.

As a scientist, who has written mostly here about energy and the environment, I abhor the so called "Green New Deal" by the way. It is a subtle form of climate denial, because from a pure engineering sense, and for that matter from an pure environmental sense, it simply will not work, it is a disastrous policy. It's not "green'" it's not "clean" and it's clearly not sustainable; and as such represents a crime against all future generations.

I note that Vermont was the only State in the Union for several decades that did not dump dangerous fossil fuel waste into the atmosphere. That is no longer true. With his bad thinking on energy and the environment Sanders thought this was a good thing and advocated for it.

If Sanders is involved in its evolution - and it is true that his views on energy and the environment are appalling to me - this is not a good thing.

We hit 415 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere this year. There's been "green new deal" bullshit flying around the world for more than 20 years in practical approaches involving trillions of dollars squandered, and in theory for half a century. The fastest growing source of energy on this planet in this century has been coal. This is the direct result of wishful and simplistic thinking on a grand scale.

The "Green New Deal" will not work to address climate change.

In any case, the fact is pretty clear to me at least that Sanders thinks the Democratic Party is not good enough for him and i'm tired of such a fool feeling that he can talk down to us. He's not that bright; not that creative; and not all that well educated or wise.

[yardwork]

106. I agree with everything you've said.

[ehrnst]

92. ......

Also - his staffers and surrogates certainly didn't sign that pledge.

[yardwork]

110. Well, define "our side." /nt

[StevieM]

103. James Comey put him there.

Without Comey's illegitimate help Trump would have been destroyed.

This time around he is counting on the economy he inherited from Barack Obama to get him re-elected.

[NNadir]

105. Comey was hardly the ONLY factor.

The media attention give the "...but her emails..." rhetoric certainly played a role, as the media's intense focus on everything Trump said, in order to sell newspapers.

No candidate this nutty would have ever advanced so far when there were real journalists. Now there's just echo chamber clowns and, of course, Pravda for Nazis, Fox News.

There is also the matter of Russian hacking, and the use of Russian bots on websites.

The decline of American critical thinking and the increasingly short attention span of Americans also helped to destroy this country.

The fall of the United States is as surprising, and as rapid, as the fall of the former Soviet Union, but it is something Americans did to themselves.

I think though, the people who pulled this off weren't particularly aware of the consequences of putting a monster in motion. The people who did it may suffer unexpected consequences.

I still hope that there is enough real decency left on this planet that Trump, like other criminal "leaders" before him, will die in prison along with members of his family.

Call me a wild eyed optimist.

[JaneQPublic]

10. "Bernie Sanders' Campaign Says He Will Keep His Pledge To Not Go Negative In Ads For 2020'

But he didn't say anything about him and his spokespeople doing it in person!

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-negative-ads-pledge-2020

[ehrnst]

89. Yes, via staff and surrogates. (nt)

[TomCADem]

121. Oh please. His Campaign Depends on Surrogates...

...making character attacks to render his opponents unelectable.

[redstatebluegirl]

11. I am so sick of Bernie right now.

He needs to run his campaign and shut up.

[onetexan]

24. The angry uncle needs to pack it in, head back to Vermont, and retire from politics altogether.

[redstatebluegirl]

30. Before he hands the election to the Orange Menace again.

[wryter2000]

35. I wish he would just go away

He's not going to win. He and his supporters can only screw things up...again.

[Thekaspervote]

42. I'll second that...soooo tired 💤 of the spin

[SidDithers]

12. Just not that worman...nt

Sid

[SidDithers]

116. No, it's Bernie's senior campaign staff who voted en masse for Jill Stein...

Right?

It's the "Obama-to-Trump" voters that you speak about, that Bernie is chasing, that are the sexists.

ETA: LOL and now you're gone. Lasted about 3hrs.

Sid

[Cosmocat]

13. eh

I will not be voting for Bernie in the primary, and he is not in my top top 5, but these "digs" fall well short of being "attacks."

[George II]

17. They're unnecessary, and that comment by Sarandon about Warren (without mentioning her)....

....was unnecessary. Thankfully it looks like it did more harm than good.

[dlk]

15. I'm Afraid Bernie is a Divider. We Need a Uniter

Going after other candidates will get Trump re-elected. Bernie needs to succeed on what he has to offer the country. Tearing down other candidates is counterproductive and makes him look desperate at this early stage of the race.

[ancianita]

21. Then what does "Not me," "US" mean? Nothing to you? You imagine a tearing down that is not

happening.

This isn't zero sum politics. This is you sounding zero sum. I see him as fairly challenging other candidates' ideas, not the candidates.

This is about seeing each candidate fairly and squarely, not as "tearing down" or "desperate." Bernie doesn't do any of this.

His target is Trump. Bernie tears down a divisive, desperate dictator, just like all the other candidates do.

If he thinks he can be a better president than they, he says why their plans fall short and why he thinks his plans are better.

[dlk]

46. I Don't Agree - We Shall See if Bernie is a Uniter, or Not

The zero sum characterization is incorrect. Believe what you like, however.

[ancianita]

49. Cool. But base your being "afraid" on facts, not social media manufacturing, as happened in 2016.

In February 2018 Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election revealed that Russians communicated false information during the primary campaigns to benefit Sanders and Stein and harm Clinton.[213]

Sanders rejected the investigation's conclusion, saying that he had seen no evidence that Russians helped his campaign.[214] He furthermore blamed the Clinton campaign for not doing more to prevent Russian interference.[214]

Sanders later said his campaign had taken action to prevent Russian meddling in the election and that a campaign staffer had alerted the Clinton campaign.[215] Politico noted that a Sanders campaign volunteer contacted a political action committee (PAC) that supported the Clinton campaign to report suspicious activities but that the Sanders campaign did not contact the Clinton campaign as such.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#U.S._Senate

[djacq]

16. Can't afford this Bernie Bros Movement again.

Helped screw the 2016 election.

[ancianita]

19. What evidence do you have that one is coming. If you don't have any, don't borrow trouble.

[djacq]

31. Evidence;

[link:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320%3famp=1|

I'll vote blue no matter who but I'm not down for sniping attacks amongst Democrats.

[ancianita]

37. That's a Newsweek interpretation of the PAST. Past data are no predictor of future performance.

You use an interpretation of what the votes meant in 2015 to back a prediction of what they will do in 2020.

Currently in WI, MI, and PA, Sanders ties as frontrunner in matchups against Trump. It seems that your past data are not as recent a predictor of future performance. If you want to judge recency as part of the quality of evidence.


WI: https://process.filestackapi.com/AG3wH2AR3SP2Mo58NZitaz/rotate=exif:true/resize=width:1200/https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/wLPFYuHDRImMk8KbK63u

MI:


PA:
https://process.filestackapi.com/AG3wH2AR3SP2Mo58NZitaz/rotate=exif:true/resize=width:1200/https://cdn.filestackcontent.com/LyFwM3IIRSGfuMYOiDks

And everyone in DU knows that Bernie spoke out against the "bros," so from the horse's mouth, you either do or don't trust that there is no two-way validation between Bernie/Bros that predicts what happens after the nomination in 2020.

Bernie Bros, if they rise again, are now understood as a stochastic tool of foreign provocateurs, likely Putin's troll farms. Mueller told us how that happened. But don't forget that Republicans have propaganda troll farms in operation, THIS time. Clint Watts has told us that about 2020.

I support all Democrats and won't base this year's candidacies on previous election dynamics.

Bernie -- "Not Me. US."

[Thekaspervote]

43. Here's more evidence. The link below was just one of a whole google page with the same comment

And the comment was not made by his staff but by sanders himself

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html

[ancianita]

50. Here's more evidence. Provided by Sanders himself.

[BannonsLiver]

99. Are you supporting Bernie in the primary?

[FiveGoodMen]

23. Good. Fucking. Bye.

To anyone with that Bernie Bros meme.

[ancianita]

53. Seriously. This is a relitigation of Russian tampered primaries, and Mueller has confirmed it.

People here may not act like Mueller's report is irrelevant on the bernie bros issue.

Which clears Sanders. And Clinton. Which is why they UNITED at the Democratic Convention.

Sanders spoke at the 2016 Democratic National Convention on July 25, giving Clinton his full support. Some of Sanders's supporters attempted to protest Clinton's nomination and booed when Sanders called for party unity. Sanders responded, "Our job is to do two things: to defeat Donald Trump and to elect Hillary Clinton ... It is easy to boo, but it is harder to look your kids in the face if we are living under a Trump presidency."[205]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#U.S._Senate

These fake groups even staged political rallies, including one that featured an actress playing Hillary Clinton in a cage.

And part of the effort was designed to assist Sanders, the special counsel said.

The defendants "engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump."

https://www.vpr.org/post/how-russian-social-media-effort-boosted-bernie#stream/0


Trust or don't trust Bernie Sanders, but remember how you think you arrived at your trust level, and whether that matches the realities you experienced, and the realities of Bernie Sanders himself. Himself.

I support all fair criticism of Democrats.

Doubt and innuendo here are not fair or fact-based criticisms.

[Cha]

84. We didn't start it.

[Cha]

83. Thanks, djacq.

[ancianita]

18. "Attack" is bad word choice, a mean interpretation of what could as easily be labeled "challenge."

I don't like "battle" or "threat," either. But for now, we could stop using the war words around here that media uses.

[Kurt V.]

22. Sanders support is fairly static from here on thru. Doubt if it helps or hurts him.

[Hekate]

25. In other news, gadfly against one party only continues to be gadfly...

...against that party's candidates.

Always interesting to see what the Independent and the Guardian have to say about us.

[Hulk]

26. Sarandon is a disgraced clown...

Do we really have to listen to this jackass?....Sarandon? Isn't she the fool that supported the idiot who ran on a third party spoiler? ...the one very possibly responsible for putting this heinous piece of shit in the White House today?

Give it a break. Somebody farted at the Senior prom. Let's hold that against them as well. A 1990 republican was somebody DIFFERENT than the evil sons of bitches that roam the country today. Give it a damned break. That was 25+ years ago. I'm so sick of this searching for any bit of bull shit from decades ago to try to steal a few votes. Yeah....Joe made a racial joke back when he was 25.....what?...50 years ago? (I just made that up..)

Stay focused on what matter NOW!! So tired of this bull shit distraction crap. Show me your ideas for America, and focus on the real devil in front of us. If we like YOU and your ideas, we'll vote for YOU. Fuck this noise!

[bluedye33139]

27. I'm hoping this isn't 2016 2.0

I hated that election cycle. It almost broke my faith in democracy.

[Hulk]

34. It's been a disastrous 31 months...

If we don't have that "Blue Wave 2.0" in 2020, this country is screwed in my life time. Not exaggerating one bit. We are so far in the toilet right now, it's going to take several generations to recover..if we are ever even able to recover.

I knew we had millions of deplorable and disgraceful fellow citizens, but I never suspected this many, and much worse than I ever imagined my fellow citizens would stoop. It's been a real eye opener and depressing period in American history.

[AtheistCrusader]

32. Commentary on how rivals in a primary raise money is not unusual, nor off-limits.

It speaks to who is representing whom, and what influence one can expect to see in the future. I also don't view that as an 'attack', because it's a differentiator that is important to a lot of young voters. And this is not new, and should not come as anything like a surprise. Wealthy individuals, corporate PAC's, all telegraph intent/influence when a candidate accepts money.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-so-many-democratic-candidates-are-ditching-corporate-pacs/568267/


What Sarandon said is much more interesting, because at the end of the day, that is not a door Bernie likely wanted kicked open, being an independent for much of his career. While republicans may be hostile (and former affiliation may suggest positions on some issues.) independents are largely viewed as ineffectual.

[iluvtennis]

36. Never liked his tactics during 2016 election and don't like them now. #NEVER_BERNIE. nt

[Thekaspervote]

44. I'll second that!!

[uponit7771]

123. +1, I was done before the primaries but now this is just counter productive

[NYMinute]

38. He is alienating women by the thousands.

Joe Biden got rewarded for not pouncing on Senator Harris in contrast.

[ehrnst]

90. And he can't afford to lose a single one...

After recent revelations concerning a $30,000 harassment settlement.

[TomCADem]

120. Ex-Staffers: Bernie 'Struggles' With Women's Issues

Bernie tries to appeal to the white working class by pretending that you can ignore social justice issues because they will all go away when there is economic equality. In other words, you have trickle down social justice, which is similar to what many Republicans preach. However, I think most progressives understand that you have to confront these issues together, because racism and sexism are often used to oppress white working class men, as well as women and minorities, by giving them scapegoats.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-has-a-blind-spot-on-womens-issues-ex-staffers-say

Even for an older white man speaking at an event for women of color, the reception Bernie Sanders received at the recent She the People summit was chilly. Unlike the other 2020 candidates at the forum—including another white man—several of Sanders’ responses were met with groans. At one point, he answered a question about the recent increase in hate crimes by turning it back to a conversation on universal health care, drawing boos.

The reaction to Sanders did not surprise women’s rights advocates. The senator has one of the strongest and longest records on reproductive rights and pay inequality of the 2020 contenders, but he’s often criticized for not taking leadership on or prioritizing these issues—and, more recently, for failing to learn from his past missteps.

“You can put lipstick on the pig, but in the end the senator is someone who is actually very proud of not changing his ideas,” Sarah Slamen, a Texas organizer and Sanders’ 2016 state campaign coordinator in Louisiana, told The Daily Beast.

“I want to believe that old dogs can learn new tricks, but I don’t see it with this dog,” she added.

[Susan Calvin]

39. He's not my preferred candidate anyway, but

if he's still associating with Sarandon, he's really, really, really, not my preferred candidate.

[stonecutter357]

41. Bernie Sanders doesn't make a very good vitcim !

[SaschaHM]

45. They really believe that Warren/Harris supporters are going to back him if/when they drop out.

That's not how this works. The Bernie Brigade attacking your candidate is the easiest way to sour feelings towards Bernie. With the way things are going, it looks like he's going to lose worse than he did the last time. Warren has no intention of stepping aside, especially not now with that Loon Sarandon taking pot shots, and will probably keep Bernie from reaching the 15% viability threshold in many states. Harris is going to endorse Biden if/when she drops out and this Bernie onslaught is probably going to drive down the number of her voters that would go over to him.

[George II]

48. That's the rub - Sanders and the upper echelon of his campaign don't understand this...

Harris has been a Democrat all her life. Warren has been a Democrat for more than twenty years.

They became Democrats for a reason. And with all the crap BS' people are flinging at the top candidates, if/when it comes time for them to release their delegates it's almost a lock that they will release them to a candidate that has been a Democrat for all of his/her life, not one who pops in for a few months every four years to take shots at them and the Party.

The way these polls look in the individual states BS will be shut out in many of them because he doesn't have 15% support. And in those where he does get over 15% he'll still be way behind the front runner.

Most likely BS will be mathematically eliminated on Super Tuesday.

[thegoose]

52. Sanders is the ultimate "You kids get off my lawn!" candidate

[dem4decades]

57. It's almost as if he's not a Democrat.

[Buzz cook]

59. Lots of hyperbole

Take this for instance.

Kamala Harris poses a concern for a slightly different reason, as, during the first debate, she catapulted herself into top tier contention with an eviscerating attack on Joe Biden,

Can anyone say in good conscience that Harris "eviscerated" Biden by talking about school busing?

Is claiming that Sanders and Warren supporters have different demographics an attack?

Even a claim of greater diversity among Sanders supporters than Warren's os not an attack on Warren. It is a "truth statement" it is either true or false, not both or neither.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548

The comment on fund raising in the Hamptons barely rises to the level of an attack. Certainly its not an evisceration.

This article is pot stirring.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

60. Absolutely it's pot stirring.

Fire up the outrage Wurlitzer!

[George II]

67. That's all you can say?

[sheshe2]

78. You seem very angry.

I understand that. We all are these days. Trump has taken a toll on us all. These are hard times.

I am sorry that you feel as she does. It will be okay. Deep breath. Breathe in and then slowly release.

This works. I know because I tried it.

[ehrnst]

88. ....

[Garrett78]

66. Sanders is done after New Hampshire, and even he must realize that.

[George II]

68. That's why his staff and surrogates are ramping up the attacks.

[Garrett78]

70. There's simply no reason to believe that South Carolina and Super Tuesday will go well for him.

He might do fine in Nevada, but it's entirely possible that Vermont is the only state he'll win. 2020 isn't tailor-made for him the way 2016 was, and even the 2016 race was over after Super Tuesday.

[George II]

71. The big thing is that next year there are a LOT fewer caucuses and less open primaries....

....which were BS' wheel houses.

[Garrett78]

72. Clinton did better than Sanders in open primaries. But, yeah, caucuses gave him a boost.

Unless Sanders is going to somehow do much, much, much better than last time among POC, he simply has no chance. None. Zip. Zero.

The POC vote will be key again, and I think it's going to come down to Biden and Harris. South Carolina may determine the outcome.

[ehrnst]

91. They didn't sign that pledge.... (nt)

[Blue_true]

75. I am afraid that the bitterness some of his supporters are building up will linger.

I don't view a segment of his supporters as rational people, though the others will most likely vote for our nominee.

[Garrett78]

77. That's a concern, but I don't think the impact will be as great as it was in 2016.

After 25 years of ruthless attacks, Clinton was despised by more than just those on the right. And a 1-on-1 race boosts antagonism. Plus, 4 years of Trump will hopefully be enough for some of the formerly Bernie-or-Bust types to support our eventual nominee.

[ehrnst]

93. I think that's a strategy. (nt)

[Vegas Roller]

73. BS is getting desperate

and it will be dangerous for the Democratic party unless he is soundly defeated in state after state.

[Blue_true]

76. I agree. nt

[Cha]

85. Bottom Line.

[BannonsLiver]

100. We're starting to see some lashing out by BS supporters here

I think it’s because they went in thinking it would be Bernie’s “turn” and an easy win, and what they are finding out he is underperforming relative to 2016 and will not be the nominee. This has created anger.

[Vegas Roller]

104. +1000 nt

[Gothmog]

74. K&R

[Eliot Rosewater]

94. And SOME of his supporters will be attacking her and all our candidates too.

Not a big deal though, only the future of the human race relies on whether or not the traitor is kicked out on his ass (rump) because we were able to unite and win.

only that

[George II]

102. They already are.

[uponit7771]

124. +1

[empedocles]

101. History repeats: BS is BS

[flying_wahini]

109. Bernie is way easier for tRump to run against than Warren.

She is about the perfect foil to Bernie AND tRump.
Bernie has reason to worry. Warren’s gonna take it.

[aikoaiko]

115. About the things that were said...

....

The first shot fired came from Jeff Weaver, a senior adviser to the Sanders campaign, who dismissed the threat Warren posed by stating that they are not “competing for the same pool of voters” and that Sanders’ “base is much more diverse”.

The second hit came from Sanders himself, when he took to Twitter to declare that “I don’t go to the Hamptons to raise money from billionaires” hours after Harris held a fundraiser in the popular resort.

The third attack came from activist Susan Sarandon, who praised Sanders by stating that “he is not someone who used to be a Republican” – something many saw as an indirect criticism of Warren, who was a registered Republican in the mid-1990s.

This opinion piece is just more of the Bitter Bernie Blamers looking to blame Bernie bitterly for normal campaigning.

[Skidmore]

122. I would vote for either one of these

women and at least ten more candidates before I would even look in the direction of the not-Democrat.

[DrFunkenstein]

125. Harris Dig Is Legitimate, Warren Dig Isn't Even Sanders

Seems a bit misleading to suggest that Sanders is playing dirty.

If anything, it just seems like an attempt to frame Harris as a victim for her decision to spend her time coddling billionaires for cash.

If anything, it only helps Warren to remind people that she was a Republican who converted after learning that Republicans were actually trying to screw the middle class.