David Axelrod?

[Skya Rhen]

Link to tweet

[Princetonian]

1. Barack had a little talk with him: "Joe's my brother, Dave. Disrespect him, you disrespect me."

[Skya Rhen]

3. +1,000,000

[George II]

4. I think Axelrod has been trying to play the middle of the road and not show too much bias....

...for or against anyone. With some of the comments this morning about that ad, I think he figured he should jump in a little.

[highplainsdem]

6. Axelrod has been entirely too critical of Biden, for months now.

[George II]

7. I'm a little biased, he and I went to the same high school! As did...

...Jerrold Nadler (in my home room class) and Eric Holder.

All four of "us" (funny I'm putting myself in that group!) were in high school within a few years of each other.

[Princetonian]

12. That is very cool. You should get in touch...

... if you knew them well.

[Hekate]

19. Very neat. You must have had a good time following their public careers all these years...

[George II]

21. To be honest that was 50 years ago, and we had 800 students in each grade. I never heard....

...of Holder or Axelrod until Obama was running and their biographies were posted. Nadler on the other hand, I do remember (he was a LOT thinner back then!)

It's a New York city-wide school, not a "neighborhood" school, so all we knew of each other was in classes, and who knew in the 1960s that he'd be Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.

Holder entered the year that I graduated, Axelrod was a few years after him.

It's mostly just a little thing to brag about when it comes up. One thing I don't brag about is that Jeffrey Epstein attended my college (a few years after I graduated)

[panader0]

25. I went to the same high school as BHO.

I was several years earlier (class of '68)

[George II]

27. That must be fun to talk about, eh?

[dawg day]

28. Was he cute?

Asking for a friend.

[panader0]

30. Like I said, I was gone long before he got there.

[BigmanPigman]

31. Rod Rosenstein and Valerie Plame were

one and two years behind me in high school. I wrote to Rod telling him he was a big disappointment when he was siding with Barr....never got a response and didn't expect one.

[question everything]

24. Agree. Which is why I am not sure what to make of his recent comment

[stonecutter357]

26. +1000

[highplainsdem]

2. Only idiots would say Biden is "taking license" with that ad.

[George II]

5. Those are the ones who probably will.

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And I'll bet he spoke to and got permission from Obama to put that ad together.

[Skya Rhen]

9. Of course, Obama is discreetly involved with Joe's campaign - it's public knowledge, now...

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[sharedvalues]

17. No Obama tried to talk Biden out of running

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/obama-cautioned-biden-about-running-for-president

[Princetonian]

29. So you believe op-eds w/zero source attribution now after trashing the author of one w/17 of them?

Got it.

Lara Bazelon, law professor and the former director of the Loyola Law School Project for the Innocent in Los Angeles used 17 source attributions in her article, 'Kamala Harris Was Not a ‘Progressive Prosecutor’: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

[sharedvalues]

36. Princetonian, I believe the NYT, yes.

The source was the Politics side of NYT. They’re trustworthy in reporting usually, even though their headlines are bothsidesist, and their news analysis is normalizing and terrible.

Not sure what else you were implying- I know you previously were attacking Kamala Harris and promoting Tulsi Gabbard. I believe in your previous posts you quoted an article from CNN and added your own anti-Harris commentary. I linked the single article without commentary.

[Princetonian]

39. I do not believe ANY op-eds with anonymous sources.

For example, I believe NYT articles with proper attribution such as Lara Baselon's noteworthy piece on Kamala Harris earlier this year which has no less than 17 source attributions! Sadly, Baselon has been the target of seemingly deliberately misrepresentative attacks.

Here is a link to the truthful and informative critique that has impeccable sources that are not tainted by partisan pablum: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

Sharing facts from impeccable sources is not attacking someone:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=249770

Similarly, defending someone against a baseless smear campaign designed to deflect from that fact sharing is not promoting someone. It is promoting the truth:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=246874

Rhetoric 101. "I don't believe you're a racist, but..." means you're about to imply he's a racist.

to thesquanderer

[sharedvalues]

41. Princetonian, it's not an op-ed. Nm

[Princetonian]

42. Any article w/anonymous sources that bashes VP Joe Biden, the Democratic frontrunner, is garbage.

And should be treated as such NOT PROMOTED.

Rhetoric 101. "I don't believe you're a racist, but..." means you're about to imply he's a racist.

[Demsrule86]

54. It is not factual...at least they present no evidence of it.

One article too...and even if that article if true and I really doubt it is...seems more like Joe...you suffered a great loss...you don't have to do this. You can embrace your family and friends and not go through the nightmare that is a presidential run...you worked for this country for years in all capacities...not dissuading him because he though he shouldn't run but reminding him of how tough it will be...and the subsequent July meeting makes me think if such a thing was said and there are no sources of any kind for this article that is how it was...but I don't really care because Biden has my vote for a number of reasons...I like him the best and he can win a general;winning this years is so important. The other issue for me is he will be ready on day one with his VP experience...no one else would be. I like your candidate bu she is not supporting the ACA which is likely to be the only healthcare available for years, and I believe she would lose a general.

[sharedvalues]

57. Here's another, different author

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/why-did-obama-pick-biden-as-his-veep-in-the-first-place.html

[Demsrule86]

58. That article is definitely based on opinion and has to do with the author who is big in progressive

circles and hates Biden... It is his supposition as to how Biden was picked in 08 (and given his prejudices the conclusion is as expected)...Now, I have one of my own. Obama wouldn't have picked someone who couldn't assume the presidency if it came to that;he was a responsible guy...so again is this all you got? Biden bashing at its finest in both articles...supposition as to how it might have happened and nothing more than anti-Biden opinion. I guess these guys really must want Trump re-elected to treat the front runner and likely nominee this way.

[Demsrule86]

53. Based on what? An opinon piece with little to no sourcing...that reeks of my candidate is

losing.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Perhaps you mean discreetly

... and not individually, not unconnected to any other person.

[Andy823]

22. Really?

Show some proof of this statement please!

[Skya Rhen]

35. NY Times August 16, 2019 article...

Mr. Obama has said he will not make an endorsement in the primary, and has offered every candidate his counsel. But he has taken an active interest in the inner workings of his friend’s campaign, to an extent beyond anything offered to other candidates.

In his interactions with Mr. Biden — the pair had a quiet lunch in Washington last month — Mr. Obama has hammered away at the need for his campaign to expand his aging inner circle.

He has communicated his frustration that Mr. Biden’s closest advisers are too old and out of touch with the current political climate — urging him to include more younger aides, according to three Democrats with direct knowledge of the discussion.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/16/us/politics/biden-obama-history.html


I believe that I am pretty good when it comes to reading comprehension and this portion of the article tells me that Obama advised the campaign/Joe as recently as July, during a quiet meeting...

[Andy823]

38. Tells me

Obama had lunch with Biden, and told him to get some younger people working for him. I don't see how that makes him discreetly involved with the campaign.

[Skya Rhen]

40. lol

[Princetonian]

44. Lord, give me strength!

[Princetonian]

43. ZING!

You go, girl!

Star Member Skya Rhen (1,294 posts)

35. NY Times August 16, 2019 article...

Mr. Obama has said he will not make an endorsement in the primary, and has offered every candidate his counsel. But he has taken an active interest in the inner workings of his friend’s campaign, to an extent beyond anything offered to other candidates.

In his interactions with Mr. Biden — the pair had a quiet lunch in Washington last month — Mr. Obama has hammered away at the need for his campaign to expand his aging inner circle.

He has communicated his frustration that Mr. Biden’s closest advisers are too old and out of touch with the current political climate — urging him to include more younger aides, according to three Democrats with direct knowledge of the discussion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/16/us/politics/biden-obama-history.html

I believe that I am pretty good when it comes to reading comprehension and this portion of the article tells me that Obama advised the campaign/Joe as recently as July, during a quiet meeting...

[Skya Rhen]

45. ...

[Andy823]

47. You two are like

two peas in a pod.

[Cha]

49. Thanks, Skya!

Mr. Obama has said he will not make an endorsement in the primary, and has offered every candidate his counsel. But he has taken an active interest in the inner workings of his friend’s campaign, to an extent beyond anything offered to other candidates.

Symone Sanders is not that old.. nor is his staff from Ebony.. in fact I've never heard of any older advisers Biden has.. who are they?!

[Cha]

8. Or those who have sour

grapes.

Biden was there with President Obama.. all the way. No way he should not let the world know!

[Cha]

61. Agree!

[peggysue2]

10. Good to see Axelrod change tune

The negativity was getting wearisome. I wonder if he and President Obama had a chat, the kind that goes: Lay off my brother!

[Cha]

50. Somebody did.. or he came

up with it all on his own.

He is telling the truth here so that must feel good!

[Cha]

65. lol.. Axe certainly got

this one right!

Peggysue

[emmaverybo]

11. And to Axelrod's point that Biden was "a great VP," WaPo article "Why Joe Biden was a most

unusual—and effective—vice-president” By Joel Goldstein

Snip————————————-

In two unprecedented acts in 48 hours, President Barack Obama confirmed yet again the essential role Vice President Joe Biden has played in his administration. Obama’s shout-out to Biden during his Farewell Address was unique enough, but the President’s surprise award to Biden of the Presidential Medal of Freedom with Distinction and his effusive accompanying remarks were even more unprecedented.

Even for those who reject the President’s view that Biden is “the best Vice President America has ever had,” he has shaped the second office in ways beyond his contributions to the Obama administration.

Snip————————————

...Biden’s service was extraordinary in his ability to sustain a high level of influence for two full terms. Biden consistently drew significant assignments, such as implementing the economic stimulus plan, negotiating various budget deals with Republican congressional leaders, and leading numerous missions to international trouble spots. In contrast, Cheney was consequential but his influence declined in George W. Bush’s second term, and George H.W. Bush and Al Gore became distracted by their presidential campaigns.

Clearly, Biden’s experience in Congress and in foreign policy and his relationships were part of what he brought to the Obama administration. But a vice president’s continuing influence rests on job performance, not on prior years of experience or a Rolodex. Biden’s consequence depended heavily on the perception of Obama and others that he was a wise counselor and effective operator. Obama’s tributes confirm their unusually close relationship and suggest Biden’s unprecedented vice-presidential clout, as Professor Karine Premont wrote in an interesting paper at the last week’s meeting of the Southern Political Science Association.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/18/why-joe-biden-was-a-most-unusual-and-effective-vice-president/

[Princetonian]

13. Excellent piece on how Joe was amazing as President Obama's VP. Bookmarked.

Thanks, emmaverybo!

11. And to Axelrod's point that Biden was "a great VP," WaPo article "Why Joe Biden was a most
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unusual—and effective—vice-president” By Joel Goldstein

In two unprecedented acts in 48 hours, President Barack Obama confirmed yet again the essential role Vice President Joe Biden has played in his administration. Obama’s shout-out to Biden during his Farewell Address was unique enough, but the President’s surprise award to Biden of the Presidential Medal of Freedom with Distinction and his effusive accompanying remarks were even more unprecedented.

Even for those who reject the President’s view that Biden is “the best Vice President America has ever had,” he has shaped the second office in ways beyond his contributions to the Obama administration...

...Biden’s service was extraordinary in his ability to sustain a high level of influence for two full terms. Biden consistently drew significant assignments, such as implementing the economic stimulus plan, negotiating various budget deals with Republican congressional leaders, and leading numerous missions to international trouble spots. In contrast, Cheney was consequential but his influence declined in George W. Bush’s second term, and George H.W. Bush and Al Gore became distracted by their presidential campaigns.

Clearly, Biden’s experience in Congress and in foreign policy and his relationships were part of what he brought to the Obama administration. But a vice president’s continuing influence rests on job performance, not on prior years of experience or a Rolodex. Biden’s consequence depended heavily on the perception of Obama and others that he was a wise counselor and effective operator. Obama’s tributes confirm their unusually close relationship and suggest Biden’s unprecedented vice-presidential clout, as Professor Karine Premont wrote in an interesting paper at the last week’s meeting of the Southern Political Science Association.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/18/why-joe-biden-was-a-most-unusual-and-effective-vice-president/

[Cha]

52. Thank you, emmaverybo! We've been

saying this since the end of April.. it was so weird when there those who lived through the Obama Admin and seemingly paying attention.. tried to paint Biden as "wrapping himself in Obama's glory".. or some such hogwash.

"Why Joe Biden was a most nusual—and effective—vice-president” By Joel Goldstein

Snip————————————-

In two unprecedented acts in 48 hours, President Barack Obama confirmed yet again the essential role Vice President Joe Biden has played in his administration. Obama’s shout-out to Biden during his Farewell Address was unique enough, but the President’s surprise award to Biden of the Presidential Medal of Freedom with Distinction and his effusive accompanying remarks were even more unprecedented.

Even for those who reject the President’s view that Biden is “the best Vice President America has ever had,” he has shaped the second office in ways beyond his contributions to the Obama administration.

Snip————————————

...Biden’s service was extraordinary in his ability to sustain a high level of influence for two full terms. Biden consistently drew significant assignments, such as implementing the economic stimulus plan, negotiating various budget deals with Republican congressional leaders, and leading numerous missions to international trouble spots. In contrast, Cheney was consequential but his influence declined in George W. Bush’s second term, and George H.W. Bush and Al Gore became distracted by their presidential campaigns.

Clearly, Biden’s experience in Congress and in foreign policy and his relationships were part of what he brought to the Obama administration. But a vice president’s continuing influence rests on job performance, not on prior years of experience or a Rolodex. Biden’s consequence depended heavily on the perception of Obama and others that he was a wise counselor and effective operator. Obama’s tributes confirm their unusually close relationship and suggest Biden’s unprecedented vice-presidential clout, as Professor Karine Premont wrote in an interesting paper at the last week’s meeting of the Southern Political Science Association.

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/18/why-joe-biden-was-a-most-unusual-and-effective-vice-president/

[onetexan]

14. i'm banking on the "wise counselor and effective operator'

[Hulk]

15. Axelrod worries me at times...

Point made, but this dude needs to be careful on how his message in the chair gets used against the Democrats at times. Not real comfortable with this guy lately.

[Tiggeroshii]

16. Am i the only one who thinks the narrator could have been better?

[Princetonian]

32. How would you have changed the narration?

[Tiggeroshii]

37. The words were good, but there was something unserious about the delivery.. Cliche?

Campy? Like it was making fun of an action trailer.

[Princetonian]

46. Who would you suggest? Do you like the voice in Bernie's ads?

[Tiggeroshii]

48. No. God no

[Tarheel_Dem]

18. I wonder what happened to Axelrod? Did "someone" have a conversation with him?

[Cha]

62. No.. he's back at it.

Tarheel!

[Tarheel_Dem]

63. I saw that.

[Cha]

64. Yeah, me also..

right before I trashed it. That's a meme that was spread about Hillary and it was stupid then and I don't think it's true about Biden, either, since the very thought of us getting Biden for President is very exciting!

That's why I started kicking this one.

[Vegas Roller]

23. K&R nt

[underthematrix]

33. When President Obama was in the White House,

I knew there were five people who would always have his back - no matter what. Michelle Obama, Marian Robinson, Valerie Jarrett, Joe Biden and Jill Biden. I'm sure there were many many more but these five made me feel safe because they kept my beloved President safe. I will always love Joe Biden for this. ALWAYS. And stand by him no matter what.

[Princetonian]

34. Amen.

These candidates and their proxies who attack President Obama's legacy and Joe Biden haven't got a clue. But they will find out soon enough when we vote.

underthematrix

33. When President Obama was in the White House, I knew there were five people who would always have his back - no matter what. Michelle Obama, Marian Robinson, Valerie Jarrett, Joe Biden and Jill Biden. I'm sure there were many many more but these five made me feel safe because they kept my beloved President safe. I will always love Joe Biden for this. ALWAYS. And stand by him no matter what.

[Demsrule86]

55. +1000

[uponit7771]

59. +1

[still_one]

51. I understand that people think that political advisors are loyalists. The reality is most of them

are about making money

It’s their livelihood, and they are always looking for their next gig after they leave one job

Tad Devine, Carville, Brazille, and on and on

[Demsrule86]

56. K&R Thanks for posting.

[Cha]

60. And, that's "Inspiring"!!